Dev Tracker - Discussion

Did they happen to mention anything about the possibility of job updates in the future?

Depending on Matter drop luck, the bottleneck could either be Matters OR units (assuming you dont farm units after doing your 8 climbs like a psychopath).

Campaigns are free hand outs, this one specifically isn't, but in general they are.
People are upset this free hand out isn't as good as the other free hand outs and isn't actually a hand out.
If the content isn't rewarding enough for the time spent, then they should be permanently buffing it, not providing a short term buff to encourage fomo (and bribe people into resubbing).

Be better than this.

Quit blaming me like I work for square enix weirdo

Follow your own advice and go "recommend" they do this in the official forums.

See how long you last.

They aren't going to accept backlash for the Sortie campaign because the current producer is using the "How to make your game join the other dead MMO's in the MMO grave yard" hand book to make decisions.

I.e., they keep giving out free ***to new/returning players to "catch them up" so they can sortie/limbus log and do nothing but stare at purple and white walls all day while playing FFXI.

Truly the best part of the game, need to get new players to it asap.

it kinda sounds like you just don't enjoy any aspect of this game

Get a new shtick bro

Huh? The best part of the game is all the stuff before that, it's why it's very tone deaf and out of touch (aka modern MMO design) to bum rush players into the worst part of the game.

Practically the entire veteran player base agrees - people even say that their friends are excited to log off the game asap the second they're done with Sortie.

Sortie isnt fun
The challenging aspect is if you got *** with basement bitzer placement adding 5 minutes to your schedule.

Same with V25 Gaol
The double random *** turns people off. Other than maybe 10 players of the entire playerbase, people get their V25 win and never go back.

Willing to bet the people who "hate" Sortie are running it in a static or daily until their fingers bleed, and they are sick of repeating the same thing every single day for points. Crazy how a person's perspective of something changes depending on the level of gameplay balance. I still remember people who used to scoff when OG Gain-EXP dinged, because, even though they were printing money, it felt like a forced job that they didn't enjoy. They HAD to do it, FOMO sucks.

I too hated Sortie when I was running it 6x/wk. Now, I join a PUG or something here and there and it's an hour I get to play something different for a change, and I don't dislike Sortie as much because I'm not forcing myself to play it.


V25s are unpopular for a different set of reasons. For one, they're a LOT harder. Coordinating job comps and strats are harder than they are with Sortie, which at this point is reducing bosses to Gravity/TP denial and just blasting max TP WS. Sortie isn't challenging compared to V25s, which is a big difference. The loss in V25s is unforgiving, and it requires upkeep of Segments. Also, people get V25 and be done with it, not because they hate the actual style of the content (maybe you hate how random/unluck/hard it is), but because the content offers nothing meaningful after you unlock the R30 gear. You can cheese RP by pressing one button and eating flaming hoes cheetoes for the remaining 14:50 minutes. There is no more incentive to beat any more V25s, or to kill "3 bosses in a row" since you can gain endless RP doing absolutely nothing afterwards. Totally different design from Sortie. You HAVE to repeat Sortie for Prime Weapons, and by extension, JSE+2 Earrings.

If you could kill Aminon once and then just do Fomor farming parties for an entire hour/rematerialize nonstop and reach similar Galli numbers as a 9b, nobody would bother killing Aminon or any of the other bosses at all until they needed Mesos. Or better yet, put Prime Weapons in Gaol and make it require 10 V25 kills per boss. Everyone suddenly has a "reason" to repeat those fights. That reason just never was created, so it became one and done. Has nothing to do with the quality of the content.

*Insert a dumb comment about how I don't like sortie here*

Well, yeah, duh. The grind, especially when its super repetitive and 90% of the event is just traveling, is what sucks about it. Cool that you don't hate it when you PUG, but to make any meaningful progress you need to do it regularly, and many of the 8/9-boss routes start with basement bosses/Aminon so you need to enter with shards on hand already. Not very conducive to PUGging. Unless you find 5 other people who dont mind slow-crawling progress, then that works I guess, but people just starting Sortie likely want/need to grind to start upgrading armor and eventually make progress on primes

It's both. Both Sortie and Gaol are time wasters, with different gimmicks as to how to waste your time.

There's an idea, add some matter coffers too lol.

I’d like to highlight that the survey results they released were just an initial high-level overview and they stated they’re still reviewing and analyzing the results. Don’t get glum they haven’t commented directly on a topic you’re interested in, who knows, it might still be in the oven!

None of the 9B PUGs I have ever joined required previous shards, and 8B PUG is even less strict. Progress/Speed to complete a Prime is one thing, but it's going to come at the risk of your sanity. If you want to finish it ASAP, you're going to hate doing it every day. Or you can not, and then take twice/three times as long to finish one. Or you can ignore the Stage 5 altogether and just amass 4s. It's all in what you wanna do. I've still yet to complete a single week where I've done all of my Limbus climbs, because, well, it's terrible. I'm fine with having one R30 Limbus armor and nowhere close to my second piece. And I don't have a single stage 5. Everyone's different.


Was totally joking to make a point.

Going off of vibes and feels, but I would imagine starting with basement bosses is probably pretty common, especially for lesser geared/experienced 8-boss groups; being able to guarantee Soul Voice/CC for the hardest bosses is a big boon.

Hehe. Rimbus. More like rim butts, right? Cuz the event sucks A $$.

At least I complained about Limbus!

I have a dream.

I have a dream that one day, when an adventurer logs into Vana’diel, the gates of meaningful content will stand open before them—not locked behind two years of solitary toil to forge a single prime weapon, nor sealed behind six long months of the same narrow path walked only with a handful of the same companions.

I have a dream that every friend who is online may step into that content beside us and truly earn their place. That their presence, their skill, and the time they freely give will be counted as real progress toward those weapons—not reduced to a checkbox marked at the edge of the day before they vanish once more into the dark.

I have a dream that burnout shall become a thing of the past, because many roads will lead to the same summit. Different deeds, different battles, different hours of play will all feed the same great work, so that no one is forced to grind the same stone until their spirit breaks.

I have a dream that the gear which clothes our bodies and the weapons which crown our achievement will no longer drink from the same scarce well. That the labor which builds our strength will not starve the labor which builds our legend.

And I have a dream of linkshells that live—not as empty names in a list, but as living fellowships of eighteen souls and more, ready in the same hour, answering the same call, able to stand together when the content demands a company.

I have a dream today.

That the world of Vana’diel will no longer ask its children to choose between solitude and friendship, between progress and life outside the game, between the joy of playing with others and the slow death of checking a box. That the time we give will matter. That the friends we call will be able to answer. And that the content we love will finally love us back.

I think it's the same no matter how you slice it, but I agree with your general point. IDK how it's done on Carbuncle, but the standard 8B meta I've always seen is:

-Split obj
-DH > ABC (or CBA) > GEF
--(If Aminon, it's GFE > Aminon)

In 8B would SV on D (or H) and cutting, so you have it back for Gartell. Hardest bosses get SV songs (H/F) just the same, the others are easy enough to deal with. Sometimes you get SV back before E, meaning you even get it for that boss too if you want.

Doing it the basement-bosses first way means exactly what you said earlier, it's almost impossible to find a sub for it because they likely wont have the shards beforehand. Doing it the above way offers the ability to always sub in a few members because you're always starting from the beginning. It's very beginner friendly too.

But anyways, either method works.

Norg's good.

One thing I sometimes miss is Abyssea transport NPC access (what can I say, I find myself doing a lot of magian/relic/mythic trials and empy NMs). So sometimes I like one of the zones that has those NPCs, and even they all have their subtle differences that cause me to change them sometimes:
1) Ru'lude: AH, magian moogle, book warp, Abyssea warp
2) Port Jeuno: AH, bazaar central for my server (also nice to AFK there if bazaaring items), Abyssea NPCs, BCNM storage/orb NPCs
3) Port [starter city]: curio moogle, HTBF KI, Porter Moogle, Abyssea NPC. Port Windurst is my frequent home and does have book warps, but they're way across the zone from my preferred mog house HP so in my mind might as well be a zone away. If being most efficient, I guess Port Sandy has all the stuff the closest together of the starter cities, but I'm just a Windurst kind of Mithra.

But then none of them have Nomad Moogles to do a job change without zoning (though can do a quick additional zone into/out of mog house), unity warp, VW warp... Always some subtle tradeoffs.

Ive always wished there was just a hub.

A blank *** zone with just 10npcs and not ***else. Kinda like the end of time in chrono trigger.

Just a vw npc. an HP crystal. a VW warper. Survival Guide. an AH window. a waypoint. a UNM warper. Your moogle. and not ***else. No city to populate. No quest givers. No assets to load. No graphics just open space.

(and any player who is afk more than 10 seconds is automatically moved the *** away from any npc)

For a while there I wished they did hub areas per Unity with different looks and feels. Containing different NPCs based on the lore of the Unity NPC and ***like what crafting RoE the Unity is aligned with. Too complicated and some areas would constantly be full... or maybe not, if they gave areas enough unique charm to draw people to the less popular ones. Gave up on the idea whenever they said "sorry, no more zones." Still think it'd be nice.

South Sandy is the answer. HP,VW,Unity NPCs. Shop nearby to sell all your powders. Typing Norg 1,2 for moogles/book warp is fast.

Logged all my chars out (maint anyways)

Patched POL
Ran LAA patch


Still had 4+ accounts on POL
Quick login still worked
Zero issues


I'm pretty sure that everyone who had problems updating POL kept their character(s) logged in and wanted to patch pol.exe while pol.exe was running. You cant do that.

I had one char DC and it auto updated POL while the others were still in game. Would not let me log in and had an error msg for POL. I shut everyone down, it downloaded and everything is goofed and keeps crashing. Idk i guess i have to delete POL

Oh... for people doing Sortie as a large part of their routine FFXI activity, feels like Adoulin is a practical place to set HP. Eastern Adoulin #2 is pretty good. Right next to AH and Mog House, waypoint to Kamhir #4 for Sortie, NPCs nearby to offload stuff. If Porter Moogle is a bigger priority for you than AH, maybe Western Adoulin HP#2?

Guess it all really depends on what you're doing a lot of though. People doing daily Sheol stuff might set Rabao #2 and be near shop NPCs, AH, Porter Moogle, Nomad Moogles, and of course Odyssey itself. Sometimes I'm doing a lot of Ambuscade for a stretch, so Mhaura's not bad and has decent other amenities.

I keep my HP in Western Adoulin MH simply because if I change it, I can no longer put it there.
I sort of like it there, HP close WP close, NPC to sell stuff close, goblin close, Unity warp close, AMAN guy close. AH is not really an issue anywhere with Bidder, I guess.
If I need crystals or porter moogle stuff I typically just zone into Mog Garden, if I need a Survival Guide I just zone into Eastern Adoulin instead of Western and that's it.

A few things are still off, like Voidwatch Warp or the AMAN deeds guy, but I rarely use them anyway.


But yeah my main reason is the one I said at start: I have HP set there and if I remove it I won't be able to put it there again.

Reboot pc (not shutdown, reboot), run POL and FFXI file checks (they're in different places), reboot pc again, and see if it helps.

Or take the opportunity to uninstall FFXI permanently and be free.