Dev Tracker - Discussion

IDK, I've found that the newer casual players, or returners from looooong ago, tend to like that sort of old content. These are the same people I know who are enjoying stuff like doing the avatar fights, making an Ark Pentasphere to attempt DM, working through the expansion mission lines, etc. This is sort of right up their alley.

Obviously, if it's people that can handle stuff like Sheol segment farms, Ambuscade, or whatever... they can make gil and just buy the thing themselves from the Curio Moogle, and that's what I'd suggest (and might just give them some gil if it's just a matter of affording it). But I'm talking about people aren't at that point yet. They view 100k items as exorbitantly expensive, they might not have more than a single job at level 99 (or might still be working on getting their first), might be working through missions and limit breaks, etc. Had a guy yesterday talking about tracking the times of the ferry departures for whatever reason. These aren't your usual FFXIAH posters lol.

Some goofy thing like a treasure hunt and a XIV Fate styled fight (that is something they tend to understand, a lot of them know XIV) is the kind of "go explore the world of Vana'diel" stuff that is precisely the reason they want to check out FFXI, and it's what I see them really enjoying. I could just give them a million gil, but that really wouldn't result in them actually having a good time. And this is pretty great gear for them to ding into at 99 as a baseline and start doing stuff like Ody, Limbus, Ambu vol.1, CP points, etc.

Also, some of my friends are on Bahamut and Asura and I'm not, so with no ability to transfer over and help them, they're on their own! I just root them on from afar for stuff like their failed DM attempts lol.


It's really not even that hard. Just requires opening a Treasure Chest during your race's week, which is a ~8 hour window that comes up every couple of RL days. A little more complicated than any other coffer hunt due to the time consideration, but it's not that crazy. You don't even have to farm a chest key any more if you don't want to, since those are now sold on the Curio Moogle.

TBH, if having to go hunt a single coffer with the limitation that your race will only be up for about 24 hours in any given RL week (across 3 different 8-hour windows) is gonna be the straw that makes them quit FFXI, this was never the game for them anyway. Like, compare that to getting a single piece of AF gear at level 119, with all of the many upgrade steps along the way. Way easier to endure the slight headache of getting an RSE armor piece and doing an easy Domain Invasion style fight.

Test:
Amchuchu HP:
• Non-Ody, No-upgrades yet: 1948
• Ody, Moogle Mastery lvl 17, No-upgrades yet: 1982
• Ody, Moogle Mastery lvl 17, VIT + 20 & Max HP 50: 2252


Also of note… they removed the ability to summon trust in Ody lobby for some reason. They also added ‘level ranges’ to Ody content when you select it similar to HTBM.

My guess is there'll be at least a second round for the rest of the set, but augments seem like a stretch for shallow, time-limited content like this.

In the stream they referred to the current one as "the first event" a few times, and made a joke about getting in trouble with Yoshi-P if they leaked any more info about future XIV collabs... but they could have just as easily been messing around.

Yeah, I'd expect body and legs will get upgrades too. Might also just come from other events. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Curator Moogle appear again soon, or maybe one of the seasonal events.

Kind of like the Ilm set came from different places. Body from login points, hands/legs from Curator Moogle trading items, and head/feet from the Harvest Festival event.

I also agree that my guess is no more augments. This gear seems to be designed to be easy-ish to acquire stuff for players who don't already have good i119 gear, but better than the outdated baseline ilevel armor like Eminent/sparks gear. Like, a casual solo player who can't get Nyame yet? This is absolutely perfect gear for them to start on harder endgame content. The solid DT/Meva being a really big deal to help them survive better than they would with the other intro-to-endgame kinds of pieces.

What I'd like to see on these, since SE has brought Synergy into the mix, is a tiered evolith-type system that would help players progress through Synergy by obtaining and synergizing ever-stronger evolith through a series of these sorts of battles.

Fair warning for everyone, there is a potential exploit to get 6 additional trust primers per month. Do not use it. Square Enix is aware of it and it will be glaringly obvious if a player has more trust points than it is possible to get through official means.

6 is awfully specific

When there's such a simple *** up it's usually unlimited

Its not a potential exploit, it is a known exploit. But that same exploit has been around for years and any abuse would be glaringly obvious if a player has more [of another currency, its very obvious which one, but apparently Eiryl cant clue it together even though theres only one source for the item] than possible to get through official means, but I havent heard of anyone getting banned for that and I'm sure some people are abusing it as there are some gains to it.

I'm not saying they're not watching, but this sounds like the same fearmongering I did when I (and others) said SE would be watching Limbus zones for botters botting units 24/7. They werent watching *** all.


Having said that, for those who do know, dont do the exploit and stupidly risk your account for stupid trust points.

Yup, Eiryl has no clue what the exploit is lmao

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Yes in this case it is "awfully specific" because not all *** lead to unlimited.

is funk not doing posts for version updates anymore

It's only been a day. Last month he was late as well. This is the unfortunate effect of only having one person in the entire community who is able to run the tools. It seems like a lot of the current BG team has been inactive for awhile. On the bright side, we have contributors like Ligray and Staplerguy (Lightninghelix) who have been on top of the updates recently, as much as they are able to be.

Giving me waaaay too much credit for "adding Abyssea locations for some Magian Trials and touching up some missions pages and updating item templates".

I just like things to be neat is all! I don't do the big stuff. Wiki formatting confuses and enrages me.

(this is a reminder for everyone reading this to go register a wiki account and make one change for the better! it adds up!)

People are scared to edit wikis for some reason.

To be fair, its probably because of that idiot SpicyRyan chasing people off.

Wait what

I said the same thing, but I think he means there is an iLevel next to the Zone Name [ Sheol A (119) ] and not a Selectable Difficulty for each zone.

Have said this before, the email verification on bgwiki raises all kinds of red flags. Coupled with that is the knowledge that certain people will have access to those email addresses, and insistence on non-anonymised addresses and/or showing up personally on someone's discord server to say "pls can I have wiki access kthzbai" and I have no interest in signing up to it.

No, I will not go on some rando's discord so can get an email verified. Does any other website have such a requirement? Would *you* use a website that told you to go on a discord to get your email verified?

Wasn't that there last month too?

Don't forget to cycle all 15 mules every day this week for your 16 sortie earrings

He hasn't been part of the community for years, that's not a valid reasoning at this point. And to be quite frank, he was one of the last people who cared about keeping the wiki in order and updated in a timely manner. I'll be the first person to agree that he can be an idiot, but the quality of BG has absolutely diminished since his departure.

Are you referring to the levels shown when selecting Sheol A/B/C/Gaol via the entry in Rabao? Those have always been there.

I must be missing something with this, what's the concern here when using a simple throwaway email?

Yeah that's pretty sketch. The way around it was to have signed up to bgforums before discord existed :P

I have zero interest in playin XIV because of the shitshow it was in 2010. People can still be soured on editing the wiki today because of his actions years ago.

Again, anyone can make an account and edit the wiki. And no, I dont believe Dodik's excuse because I remember proving like a year ago, from my phone in the gym between sets, that you can make an account with ease. Again, maybe the verification email never showed up because I used a fake hotmail account, who knows, but I got through the signup process.

hosted image is gone now :(

Bgwiki refuses sign ups with throw away email addresses unless you go on some rando's discord to personally verify that email address.

Which makes it entirely un-anonymised, not throw away, and no I won't do it.

Fair enough. But at the very least they could come in now knowing they wouldn't have to deal with him at all.

Definitely! The issue is that most people don't want to contribute, they just want the information it provides. And while anyone can edit, not everyone has access to and understanding of the tools that are used to pull information from the updates and get them onto BG. Speaking from experience, doing this by hand can be extremely time consuming and daunting as hell. It's one thing to make minor changes or update something that already exists, and another thing entirely to add 180 new items with different Synths, augment paths, etc.

Sign me up for keeping the wiki up to date! (I need to go back and edit the Yurin/Penance/Inhibit TP page today). I spend most of my day at my work desk running Parsec/ffxi, and I'm in wiki every day.

You're as anonymous here on XIAH as you would be on BG.

XIAh never asked me to join a discord so they can verify my email address.

Would you use any website that required you to go on some random discord to sign up?

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Literally took me FIVE MINUTES to make a DodikFFXIatoutlook.com email, sign up for BlueGartr with that account, and make this page
https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/User:DodikFFXI


No discord required
No waiting hours for anti-spam to pass




Maybe its treating you different because its detecting youre from YooKay and they have to comply with local regulations as Two-Tier Kier is making sure youre not being notty notty on the interwebs.

Sorry, THREE minutes. I PMed you the BG account details, no excuses to not be able edit the wiki now buddy :)

Neither does BG if you use a major email host, free or otherwise. I see maybe one person per month in their discord with a sign-up issue, and it's usually because they're using a VPN that happens to share a known spam IP range.

Is XIAH's Discord "random" too? And yes, I have used Discord for sign-up, http://redump.org/ specifically.

What is it that you are wary about when providing your Dodik420x@yahoo.com email address?