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Hmmm. While the descriptor matches (Arrogance for EV set), the names of the armor type are... weird.

Arrogance Masque, Jacket, Wristbands, Trousers, and Shoes.

And these uncurse into a Crown, Platemail, Gauntlets, Brais, and Sabatons?

Not that I think you're wrong, mind you. I don't see any other way this could work. But.. wtf SE? That ***makes no sense.

If the gear is junk (did they say it will have augments or are we guessing?) then most the items will be cheap unless people pay just to own the sets for aesthetics or other reasons

They have augments

No saying the quality of the augments. They could be dogshit. Just that they exist.

I went purely off the item descriptions. Example:
Apathy Cuirass
A plated metal cuirass that is
completely devoid of hope. This item
cannot currently be equipped.

I took that description to mean it was for the Hope set.

Arrogance Jacket
A jacket that is completely devoid
of trust. This item cannot currently
be equipped.

I took that description to mean it was for the Trust set.

All pieces of the same cursed set have the same wording around Hope/Trust/Justice, etc. It's very possible the descriptions don't match the sets they uncurse, but that was the logic I used.

I know Simon sees potential with the cor/rng sets, but I see a continuation of a trend with SE. I don't know why, but SE seems utterly afraid to give other stats with crit rate. I don't consider PDL great, it's mostly very situational, you have to build completely around it, and in the most meaningful content for rng/cor it's completely useless.

Why is SE so afraid to give crit rate and STP, even on just one piece. Or crit rate and double/triple shot... Any combination of stats that would make these even remotely interesting.

Wish WHM was on the War/brd/nin set. Wish rdm was on the blm set that is clearly going to be a nuke set... just like every other set that blm/sch/geo/smn gets.

Gonna be acc/attack+20 stat+10

For real though, I'm not super elitists pos but there (other than Ody V25 that you only have to beat once) no real challenging content in the game that sets hardworking players out from average Joe. No, primes do not. A prime is locked behind 6 months of psyches, 6 months is 180 days so to make 7,500,000 galli you technically only need to make 42k a day. Animon is not hard.

With the exception of Absolute Virtue, no content was particularly difficult after we figured it out. You might as well say Salvage gear was locked behind bad drop rates or something. Relics were locked behind being super rich, buying gil (and then dyna currency), or having a dedicated LS to funnel resources to you (75 era). Mythics were locked behind the patience of obtaining enough alex (again, 75 era). Primes are locked behind having a dedicated/competent group of 6, or multiboxing, and getting your psyches.

All you are saying is that all in-game problems are solvable, and that all of the current in-game problems have been solved (by other people, and then you use their strategies, no doubt). Yes, this is true. But this was always true about FFXI after new content was available to good players for (approximately) a week (by their nature, this is true of all RPGs). The "gates" have always been a combination of knowledge, mechanics (before all the add-ons), patience/time, and a solid group. The gates are still the same.

If you want a game that skill-checks you, play League, or Street Fighter, or something mechanically demanding. If you want a problem solving challenge, find new ways to beat current content, or play a different game.

I still want to know how SE "expects" Bumba V25 to be done. There's not a strategy (that I've heard of) that doesn't require some good luck with the specific auras, which feels like the kind of thing that should be able to be eliminated.

Maybe not, and their testers really did Kaustra it to death if they killed it at all? But maybe.

This logic is kind of flawed? Yes you only need 42k a day but that assumes you go 7 days a week for an entire 6 months in a row not missing a single day. Feasible? Sure. Likley? Idk. If you’re going 7 days a week and getting 40+ every time it means you are either in a static or the most successful shout pugger in history…or 6 boxing it. 2 out of 3 of those lends itself to just doing 8 boss, and probably 9 anyway.

I’d much rather 9 boss 4-5 days a week and miss a week here and there because everyone’s RL insanity takes precedence, and not have a single worry about muffin progress. This doesn’t speak to difficulty, it’s more about time spent:reward ratio.

Ahhh. I see. I hadn't looked at the full item descriptions for the cursed items yet. I think your conclusions are accurate. It's just.. bizarre how SE named the items. Jacket into platemail, etc.

Maybe I'm mistaken, I didn't read all the messages as I've been on vacation and quite preoccupied.

Were the enspell discussions just about the base enspell increase? I think you forgot to include the 200% from composure.

Also, some of the time you'll be using crocea (Ongo v25, or any time you aren't doing 0 dmg strats), so there's another 500%.

Anyway, it's not really 40ish damage a swing...

You're missing the point, the point is it is more about committment of time than it is a pure challenge (yes, i know, true of all FFXI, but it is to the extent which it is about time commitment vs skill and like I explain, you have six month time REGARDLESS of if you do 90k a run).

I disagree with the guy above. I never said getting a relic was hard, that's a bizarre statement.

Kings with low numbers or in a less well geared linkshell they were a challenge. Salvage was challenging content with 6-7 people. Omen was challenging for 6 for a while, now still fun challenging with 2-3 chars. Einherjar was great and ZNM were great (again, maybe felt more challenging in less elite groups, idk).

Ultima and Omega with just a few people (NIN tanking) was *** great.

Abyssea required a handful of people to do bosses, until they made it easy to MNK+WHM everything, which I regret.

Limbus content is dog ***from the get go and there's no way to do Animon HQ with less characters than 6 (or maybe 5 if just doing it slow?) so they are not really comparable IMO.

I've done 9 boss with 5 humans (1 definitely cheating tho) so you don't have to be slow if you're down a human. Definitely done 8 boss with 4, could probably do it with 3, but not all my friends 2box so it rarely comes up.

You talk about all the old content being difficult...but only if you're undergeared and/or low man. So uh...it's not difficult as designed? You can try to do current content low man, I'm sure you'll find it challenging...

The idea that kings (content with basically 0 mechanics) are challenging but Sortie is not...is a joke. Sorry. Sortie would be challenging too if you had 3 characters with sparks gear, that doesn't mean the design of the content is challenging, it just means you're an underprepared idiot.

As usual Maletaru understands nothing and/or takes it out of context to try and make snide "better than thou" *** posts. Grow up.

I did not say "Sortie is not hard". I said making a prime is not hard and outlined an objective irrefutible fact - you are locked to making one every 6 months whether you make 40k a run or 90k, and I understand this is the only thing you have to justify your life "hurr durr on muh sixth prime cuz I'm so leet and gud at FFXI" LOL, get a life man.

Noone said anything about multiboxers either, more *** nonsense. Many people 8/9 boss with 2 people multiboxing or one person 3 boxing, etc. I did not say number of chars. God damn moron.

But hey Maletaru, please do enjoy rolling through Limbus 20x a week to get the new gear, I am happy you find enjoyment and life meaning in unchallenging repetitive content. I am truly happy for you, it's just not for me. I hoped for something worth playing for, this is not it.

Dis you?

Dis you?

1. I don't know how you infer that from that post.
2. No, meant to write chars but somehow wrote humans lol. I mean 6 chars. Can probably be done with 5, I doubt 4.


Anyway, good timing my accounts are closed tomorrow. I played about 20h this month after 2 months off, back to doing more enjoyable things than grinding like I've known nothing else in my life since the age of 13. Peace.

Cya next month

Here's an explanation of how I got to my conclusion. Let me know where I went wrong in reading your message


There are no challenges in modern ffxi other than v25 ody.
This makes it difficult to set yourself apart from average Joes.
Primes don't count (as setting yourself apart)
Prime can be acquired in 6 months at (incorrect math goes here)
That only requires 42k a day (I take this to mean: not a very hard run)
Aminon isn't hard

And uh... my conclusion that your post means "Sortie is not hard" is...wrong somehow?

Side note: the idea that people are locked behind psyches at this point is insane. Psyches came out years ago and have been available every month since. Are there really people out there with 0 psyches, starting a prime? What is the scenario, here? Someone who hasn't played for the last 3 years and now suddenly jumped into an 8 boss group running 7 days a week for 6 months straight without missing a day? Very few, if any, players are sitting on muffins they can't spend because they're out of psyches.

Anecdotally, I know a handful in this position, including myself.

Otherwise, you're 100% correct. If sortie was so easy, Even 8 boss runs, then many more players would be doing it. Even on Asura CAGE shouts are still common. The fights themselves are not too difficult, but the coordination and commitment is what is challenging.

Also its 8.52m for a stage 5 prime? Unless K123 meant starting from stage 3. Weird stipulation

Actually your post about Sortie was incorrect. You said 7,500,000 galli to make a prime. It takes 8,520,000 galli to make a prime to stage 5, meaning to make one in 6 months(180 days) you need to earn 47334 galli a day, which requires 180 days straight of no less than 7 boss runs + hitting lots of extra stuff(Minis(w/ reds) Aurum Obj chests/basement minis/naaks), or 8 boss runs.

The point you hit in Sortie where Galli gains don't matter any more vs. Psyche gate is basically 8 boss run without anything extra. Once you move to 9 boss runs, Empyrean upgrades stop impeding your gains as well, since you could upgrade a piece of Empy armor everyday, and still have a net gain in Galli for the day (and you will run out of Empyrean armor to +3 by the 110th day since(thanks Dex) you get a Starstone every day).

Then you need to do Hard Mode Aminon, which means at a minimum, alternating 8 boss days with Aminon days until he coughs up the Mesosiderites, making the Psyche gate a little less impactful.

If you only did 42k a day everyday you would wind up 976,000 galli short of stage 5 on the 180th day.

Aminon drops a Starstone 100% of the time on top of the Old Case +1 and 30k Galli, so this isn't a question of luck, it's an inevitability

Everyone likes different aspects of the game. I have mules, and the reason I have them is I LOVE the shield Grind!! 3 mules done so far....
Some people love the Limbus grind. Its what they enjoy.

this is basically me.

hadn't played since before RoV was finished, came back and friends were running sortie and I hopped in and we quickly jumped to 8 boss... took me a min to finish TVR so I was capped at 100k galli for a bit and spending points daily upgrading armor. Now have a stg3 and stg4 w like 2mil galli n my mesos banked and just hit 15 psyches prior to patch.

if i wasn't banking to finish my horn i might have ended up short psyches later but this is a really fringe case i'm assuming. not sure how my 2nd and further primes will pan out as a result as we may be bumping up to 9boss soon if everything goes right

Lol when i started Sortie I couldn't care less about finishing TVR, now I am gated by psyches and not points. On a good note, I get a stg 4 this month.

It's also worth noting this "problem" is the worst in the early stages of primes, and becomes less significant in the later stages.

Stage 3: 1m muffins/month spendable (33,333/day)
Stage 4: 1.25m muffins/month spendable (41,666/day)
Stage 5: 1,666,666 muffins/month spendable. (55,555/day)

So even if someone is currently stuck at stage 4, they could actually still just be on normal pace for stage 5.

Also also: if you're getting a lot of stage 4 weapons, this "problem" will be especially pronounced.

Sorry to let you down, I've only been subbed about 30% of the months since 2011. Not even half of the last 12 months. I'm happy for anyone that finds intellectual stimulation, challenge, and life fulfillment in easy, repetitive content but personally not for me. I enjoyed playing FF3 3D remake more than ffxi for years.

Personally hate the idea of my life being dictated by dailies+weeklies+monthlies that must people let themselves be, and there's no point chasing psyches until you're making a prime, and if you chase aman you are exactly the cuck that SE wants you to be.

You are locked behind 6 months if you only make what you need, and aren't life controlled by SE.