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I spent over 6 millions galli in Armor ugprades :-(
That's almost a stage 5 prime!

I could probably use another 1m per char even without starting any more jobs. Making it a stage4 per char in armor. I've basically stopped here for many months though, hate the content.

I still to this day do not understand why they chose to link Ygnas acquisition to Mog Gardens. It's quite literally in the way just for the sake of being in the way. The fact that it takes so long to get through is the biggest frustration, and many players have skipped this (along with all of Adoulin quests) and don't bother with the HQ ring either. I happen to believe unnecessary time gates discourage people from the content altogether, rather than prolong the content's life.

I eventually did Mog Gardens after I took a long break (because I had no groups to do things with and a lot of time, so it was there to do). I complained years ago about the model, because it was just dumb. But I don't feel like other people now should suffer through that nonsense just because I did. Kind of screams of old man "back in my day" vibes.

I'm not advocating for making things easier just for the sake of them being easier. It's an MMO game, so you should play the game and it's supposed to be time consuming. But content that has been out for a long time that has time restrictions that were appropriate for the time the content was release but no longer, IMO, should be lowered or removed, because it adds back incentive to the player to do it; You're spending time doing something you ottherwise would not vs just ignoring it. You see what happens when they introduce unrewarding things like Shinryu HTBF or Limbus NMs, you get players that ignore the fight entirely because it's an insult to their time. Designing stuff like that for a 20+ yr old game is a terrible idea. And now we're seeing how they "roll back" or "adjust" things that take a lot of time. Evidently, SE realized these time gates are also somewhat unnecessary after a certain point.

Incentive to complete it was always my go-to guess, once you hit monster rearing MG ceases to matter to most people, moreso once the vast majority of the already rng of materials lost their value, but unlike say monstrosity we -need- to give you a reason to finish and justify the yrs spent working on the thing so ygnas/+1 rings it was

Honestly the whole thing should be decoupled from gardens and just be based around adoulin fame/rank, especially now that the rank time gate is getting shortened which was the only reason i ever completed gardens; because the 6 month gate is roughly the same time wall as fully finishing gardens

There's not much to understand.
They wanted Ygnas to be a reward for completing ALL of SoA content at that time, and Mog Gardens was simply part of it.
That's it, it's not particularly complicated.

I mean I'm not saying I do approve or endorse this, just that this was their extremely simple and straightforward reason.

it was a clear sign you had fully cleared everything there was to do in seekers, agreed. whether or not he's worth it is another story.

Locking a whm trust behind a pile of *** shows you their priorities.

Don't make any good whm trusts and lock the only good one behind 6 months of dogshit.

(then add monberaux, locked behind a year worth of dogshit)

I doubt they would care to make things much easier if XIV wasn't sucking the big one right now, also coinciding with XIV players trying out XI for the first time.

ygnas doesn't even use nott, does he? wouldn't call him a good whm trust without it

he has cure pants in exchange and has a better cure AI than most of the other whm trusts
also has capped CPI, and gets an aoe heal TP move that gives 30 regen and +25% def, relly his worst aspect is the haste/enlight move along with the aoe dmg move. If those werent there he'd be perfect

I think I hate it more than anyone

Infact - I hate it so much I demand SE give me a Stage 5 prime for free - only way id stop torrenting their games

I don't trust anyone that went 1/gazillion on purple dragons.

Rude.... it was 1/Gazillion and 1 - Get it right....

(honestly, it was like 1/30-40)

So the next login campaign is up. Literally no change.

Didn't even notice they put it up. I guess it'll start being different in December....?

The dev notes for Oct update says the renewal is for November update. Carry over points from Oct will be reduced to 700 going into Nov update. Buuuuuuut they say its going to be better rewards, whatever the *** that means. Could be Gobbie SP dials, could be gear upgrade items. People who have all mules created already might luck the *** out.

Just jumping the gun then this login runs into november but next one one starts mid november

I feel like you're advocating for it being easier for the sake of making alts, though I feel like you should probably just say that. New players have so much other content to do that a time gate is mostly artificial.

Respectfully disagree. GEO can literally just swing by the AH and drop ~40mil on a +2 neck and already have the second best GEO buffs possible in the game. Even if that's not an Idris, it's absolutely functional and would be a nice addition to a lot of setups, and is a fantastic holdover buff-wise until finishing an Idris (and retains use after that, the luopon absorb damage effect is so good).

Compare that to telling a BRD they need to go make four REMAs to join content, and tell me again that GEO's the buff job in a weird position.

to be faihhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
The debuff nerfs are incredibly heavyhanded. Theres nerf, and then there is a full on -95% potency.


Also would be nice of there was an AIO spot on the wiki listing the content where offensive indicolure is nerfed and what the nerf is.

Keep in mind that the dev team has absolutely no concept of how desirable and valuable a given reward actually is. Look forward to 1 alexandrite, byne bill, whiteshell, or bronzepiece for 1500 login points.

I've never multiboxed a day in my life, never will, have 2 mules for alexandrite storage and random mats, and play the game entirely for fun. I do not like FFXI enough to pay that much money per month for less than 30 hours play time. Completely casual and never will care enough to be anything but. All of my posts over the years confirm I am NOT that invested in FFXI to give a damn about making the game easier for some advantage in a 23+ yr old video game, lol...

If your gut is telling you that I'm advocating for alt ease for some self-benefit, you're way off base and you should never trust your gut or hunch on anything for the rest of your life.

I just don't see a new player being held back by time gates. Sure, in that one specific area of progress, but it's not like they don't have a laundry list of other things they could do to make progress.


*edit

For clarity, this was not some sort of read on who you are or how you play. I genuinely think the suggestion is more appealing to people who have already done it and don't want to repeat.

I 1000% agree with this take. Newer players are restricted from odyssey, aman trove, ergon weapons, and a few other minor things BUT, and this is huge and rarely brought up, they have 45 billion other things to do.

IMO, the biggest problem with the new player experience is people (or the new player themselves) trying to leap frog over all the content and go straight to endgame.

If you can't get into a 9 boss sortie run or a V25 boss kill because you don't have an Idris or an epeolatry, maybe you should do a 4 boss run and a v5 clear instead. I'm sure your geo+1 neck and aettir will be fine for that. The same goes for literally everything else. You can kill E HTBF with your 3 songs, you can do wave 1/2 dynamis without a rostam, and can clear N or D ambuscade without 15 REMAs. Just progress through the game, doing the 500 things on your todo list without worrying about not being BIS and being invited into the endiest of endgame stuff.

equally part of the problem is that there is almost zero incentive for vets to help new people catch up. why not give them a tangible reason to go back and redo things for other people? what could it possibly hurt

I've never argued against incentives for vets to help (per se), and I'm on board with it but also...how about vets just help because it's the right thing to do, instead of needing a reward or incentive for it?

Or, and I say this constantly, the new players play the game with each other instead of relying on veterans to help them with everything? There are hundreds of people complaining they can't find a group, unironically.

a lot of people don't give a *** about the right thing to do, honestly. give them a reward though, and they'll help unquestionably. just human nature.

If I had one gil for every helping hand given to every player ever..

And yeah I agree, if someone is not geared or ready yet for Sortie 8 boss runs.. there is no one holding a gun to their head saying "8 boss or nothing mofo!". Literally every sortie group started with 4, then 6 and so forth.

Equally vets with one or two stage 5 primes don't owe the player not capable of doing 8 boss runs anything. They don't have to drag their *** through if they can't contribute.

I mostly agree with this line of thought; I don't think the 45 day lockout is that big a deal nor is the SOA mission line wait.

However, Ergons are extremely long and extremely powerful. A new player might take 2-3 months approaching endgame viability, at which point they're told they should work on imprims if they want an Idris/Epeo. Another 2-3 months getting into the flow of endgame and they're still only halfway there.

The 6-7 month timeframe is long enough for a new player, but only if they knew from the start they needed to do it and kept up with it the whole time on top of the mountain of other activities presented to them. Otherwise, there's a pretty strong chance someone who wants Idris or Epeo is looking at 4+ months waiting once they're otherwise well-equipped on the job and have the resources to earn the H-P Bayld. That just seems too long to me.

One of the very first thing a player should do, minute one. Unlock adoulin, start the imps pumpin and burn em daily, whether or not you plan on being a geo or rune

Always best advice. Pump imps. They should be doing ody A too. That's a hell of a hurdle though.

(bonus; the very first thing someone tells you is you need to be grinding i.m.m.e.d.i.a.t.e.l.y. maybe they'll realize *** this game and do something better with their time)