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Add me to your R&D team SE, I'm money.

It's prob gonna be 1/9, it will have all the other items in it too no doubt. If not then considering how common those other items are and that they take the same loot slot, that will increase time to obtain a lot higher.

If I had to guess, and as stupid as this sounds it's possibly to lower server load (mainly due to Asura). When they said they only allowed 3 trusts cause they were afraid of ram / server congestion it became fairly obvious of their mindset. When they put the rolls on you, then you're slowing the process down a lot (at least for most players).

Imagine if some joker makes an addon to potentially reroll a malig box when you're at 9/9 with no CD, which would be laughably stupid if you're doing a load of silent rerolls each time. I would hope they are smart enough to drop gil if you're capped on items, but who knows since they didn't announce an increase in merits needed for entry and there is going to be massive congestion caused if they don't do that.

The patch notes are pretty clear

inb4: "patch notes have been wrong before."
Perhaps, but they were pretty clear about "armor", twice.

How nice of SE to make changes to the Limbus, any theories on when the breakpoint will be for the reset, on month change or next update like the last day to spend login points?

How do we think they're going to re-haul login campaign? They wouldn't add currency... would they? Incentivize more people to pay for their dollar mules?

mars obs for 3k

Nothing else springs to mind immediately. It'd be nice to have iseal and empyrean drops full time. Wouldn't count on that ***happening.

Nothing else is of any consequence. Maybe cotton pouches, bayld boxes, hmp. Maybe spheres.

You had them at

After getting 6 characters to max coalition rank, I'm not sure how I feel about this.

At least if someone had an Idris/Epeo you knew they had put in the pre-work for it.

I'll be sure to have all my mules credit your sacrifice.

Theres no mention about reducing the # of imprimaturs needed to max rank. Its still gonna be 20 per rank. If anything, it'll be more work keeping on top of it so you dont waste any, depending what the new cooldown is.

Gotta get over the "you didn't earn it like we did!!!" Mindset. Freaking old *** game, let people catch up instead of dealing with stupid time gates just because (I finished both Ergons long ago, this doesn't benefit me)

100000% this.

Having more friends with Idrises and Epeos >>>>>> a smug sense of superiority from having had both of them myself for a while on my main (and an Idris on my alt)

And really, in a way it DOES benefit people who already have the Ergons themselves. More Idris GEOs and Epeo RUNs around = better chance of success in content that you're running with those people. It's nice to have options, I certainly prefer that to being the only one in a party with an Idris so stuck on GEO when I might be able to fill a more impactful role if someone else has a similarly strong GEO.


Yup, still quite a lot of work. Same amount, just in a shorter time window without an artificially imposed delay from waiting on imprimatur refreshes.

One thing I'd really like to see - can they make the freaking Garden rank-ups go faster too? That wait is just interminable. Max rank on my main already, so don't give me any sh*t about not having suffered appropriately. But I think I'm still on rank 5 garden on my alt (who DOES have an Idris already lol), and wouldn't mind Ygnas and a +1 ring on that alt!

Since GEO is not ever welcome or used without Idris I never bothered to otherwise gear it. If Idris is more accessible I will play it.

Its not more accessible, its just accessible quicker. You still have to do the EXACT SAME work (if theyre just reducing imprim cooldown, which according to the notes is all they're doing).

I would consider being able to do a bunch together more accessible. Rather make myself do a an hour a day for a couple of days every now and then than 20mins a day every day for longer.

+1. I'd rather have more people to play with (with good attitudes and willingness to learn). Not looking for elitists or try-hards who *** when newbie gets your old gear from 6+ years ago.

Not trying to gatekeep, but those imprimatur shackles look tighter from over here.

This, plus it's even more silly when you look at the ergon jobs. "Oh no, more people will have better geomancers and rune fencers!"

what??
Where do you see they're raising the number of imprims you can carry?


Literally all they're doing, based on these notes, is reducing the base cooldown from 6 hours to some shorter number. They are not changing the amount of imprims used to rank up so it will still be 20 (presuming proper usage) nor are they changing the base cap of 15.

Instead of getting 4 imprims per day, you're now gonna get 6+++, depending what they reduce the cooldown to. Once again, this means you're going to do the exact same amount of work, just more often to make sure you dont let any imprims get burned due to cap.

Congratulations, you now gave yourself another daily to tend to. But hey, atleast you can cap out your coalitions in 2-4 months instead of 6.


This goes out the window of they give it a 10 minute RoV esque cooldown and burning imprims is entirely irrelevant.

That's what I was basing it on, just replenishing fast

I stopped rushing to do content as they come, snese they released ML which made v20 way easier than what it actually was, or when they released bugged ws wall on V25.

That's cool in theory, however FFXI is ultimately just progression porn. Working on stuff is the main reason to play it and a lot of people that play this game are never going to reach group mode, where you are and are doing group content ery day. So when they reach the end of their progression line they will quit the game.

They did a survey and over half the people that play this game (even more in JP) are solo / casual and are never going to do group content.

People really need to get out of this mindset that we are all headed towards being able to do group content, and a lack of progression is why they don't do that.

A 90 minutes long applause for this man, folks!

It's not lack of progression stopping people.

It's lack of interest in spending time in doing the progression.

You might say "That's the same thing" but no, it's not. RPGs need particular setups to do certain content. The more advanced the content, the more specific the setup.

Vast majority of XI players have no interest in fitting into a particular setup, nor any interest in spending time in the progression needed to fit into that setup.

In other words, they are happy to press the "Kill mob" button every 2sec and see their numbers flash up on screen as long as someone else is bringing in the bard, red mage, white mage, Geomancer and Tank that allows them the freedom to just hit a "Kill mob" button every 2sec.

As soon as that freedom is taken away, by lack of interest in anyone else setting up and bringing those jobs to that content, then you have people soloing and playing "casually".

The proliferation of mercs, RMT that sell clears, vast majority of players that have not/will not do Odyssey and everything associated with it is proof of that.

The casual content bar keeps getting lowered and lowered by every gear progression which makes previously very specific setup content into less specific setup content. And the wheel keeps turning.

Not a complaint, it is what it is, but let's not beat around the bush.

Those soloers are not soloers by choice, they are soloers so they can "play the game their way" and not have to worry about the massive grind most support jobs need to be able to contribute effectively.

Generally against making things easier for no reason, but this change isn't even that. The only other remotely comparable time gate besides primes is garden, and that doesn't lead to serious endgame weapons (but should probably still be reduced). The game has enough content that they don't need to gate 9 year old weapons behind a 6-7 month wait.

I'd argue against time gating primes too, tbh. Psyche system is stupid and doesn't test players capability at all. But, in that case, it is probably just a reminder for the maximum autismos that you don't have to do Sortie every single day.

9 years? Aren't Ergons older than that? I mean I got mine in 2016 and I wasn't among the early ones for sure, going by memory I was thinking something about 10-11 years old!

Psyches are a gate only for an extremely small minority of players btw.
The large majority of players are blocked by 8 bosses run Gallimaufry.
You can't get enough galli in 6 months even if you go every day, and there's obviously bound to be days you won't be able to run, days where something bad happens and you don't get the >50k Galli and so on.

Things could change if they released more teleporters I guess.
Even just adding teleporters to the corners where the bosses are upstairs, just that is like what, ~12 mins wasted?
With 12 more mins on each run I'm sure a noticeable amount of groups would be perfectly able to do 9 bosses runs, if not always at least a solid amount of times.

And even aside from that, so much of that 1hr of Sortie is completely wasted just walking around with Sneak/Invi that it stops being interesting very fast, it becomes tedious, wearisome, for no real rason either.

Maybe so, I lazily checked the first edit date on bg-wiki for one of the pages (my go-to method for rough dating things). Could be it wasn't the original page or people were slacking.

I don't think psyches are a serious problem in need of adjustment, I'd just rather they weren't there. You need to be able to kill Aminon to do S5 primes anyway, so even if you can't do 9boss runs you can do aminon + 3+ bosses for at least 65k every third run. A decent 8boss is still 55k+, so you're well ahead of time gate doing S5s and even more so doing lesser upgrades.

But, like I said, they might just be there to stop the most dedicated people from feeling like they can't miss a run. Certain FFXI players need to be saved from themselves.

Making non-idris practically useless and unwanted is a major *** up of SE though. BRD isn't in much of a better position, but it easier to make than Idris without time gates.

I completely agree that it is things like this that make people end up just 3+ boxing and playing alone though.

Yeah, Ergon Weapons were added in June 2014, wow!
The first eu Ergon on our server was from Damane, the first NA was from uh... name starts with E! I can't remember lol

I've never bothered to do psyches yet since I burned obscene amounts of galli making armor.

BRD RDM SCH BLM BLU COR 5/5 = 2.4m per char, plus 3 DD 5/5 per char = 1.2m, plus a few pieces for each thf and dnc and rng for another 600k. I've probably only done 4.5m galli per char but x2 chars (mostly not 2boxed) for 9m since sortie came out. Average of 45k a run say to account for early days, etc. I suppose it means I have done the content about 200 times... that feels painful, but others who went daily since launch have been about 1100 times.