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Fujito "being coy" on changes is his default mode.

And we've had this discussion before with +4s. "They never said they're doing +4s".

"New armor doesn't automatically mean +4s."

I mean yeah, there's no guarantee.

It follows though that if they're introducing better-than-malignance level armor, which means higher Meva and equal/higher levels of DT as malignance, then that armor will have higher meva and dt than the current highest level of armor in the game - malignance, empy+3, af/relic+4, ody.

If they're doing that, then AF+4/relic+4/empy+3 armor will then be at a lower level than that new armor.

So we'll see. Right now most non-trash TP and WS sets are a mix of empy+3, af/relic+4, nyame, malignance and Odyssey armor.

One or more of these is going to get replaced by whatever new armor comes out. Only so many slots you can use at once.

I can't tell if this is intended to make it so you don't lose out if you can't check the box one week (giving you a month instead) or something else, need coffee

You kill a number of NMs one month.

The next month you get "upgraded" rewards for one month based on those kills.

What does upgrade mean. No one knows.

The fact that they can implement this system so players can force the correct armor piece (basically circumventing drop distribution entirely) but nobody can seem to get anything but Crepuscular Pebbles and Earrings from Shinryu, and they refused to change the distribution on Crepuscular armor or weapons despite telling us that it's "better" is some really nasty work. Even the Decanter system from Sinister Reign wasn't this direct and rewarding to repeat players. Absolutely disgusting work.

See the *** htmb will drop the sword and shield.

So impatient. Don't forget to say sorry Eiryl you were right.
(it's not my fault they decided to run it 3 times and forgot to turn it on for the fist one)

That's a pretty forgiving system. Even with long queues I'll be done farming Lilith for my two alts in a week. Most people will, since they've removed duplicate armor drops from the pool, essentially. The long queues won't persist.

It's a good change.

6 real players can just join Lilith HTBF together, and everyone gets their freebie Malignance pieces quicker. Absolutely no reason to solo it now.

I'm pretty sure you can't beat lilith with 6 naegling wars

Still MANY reasons not to "just team up, it's easy"

I'm only stating the reality of the situation. Not agreeing with it.

Good thing BRD, COR and RDM can all use naegling

THF, for TH, can use Naegling too!

While you may be right in that its faster to team up, I think the reality is some people team up when they're 4/5 and say stuff like "hands mines" and let everyone lot the other 4 pieces, there's no incentive for that now.

The real endgame is seeing how many times you gotta use Malignance Box to get the piece you're missing, being 4/5. I know you'll eventually get it, but it'll be funny to be like "Sweet, just need Boots, and now I have a box."
Body
Body
Gloves
Legs
Body
Hat
Body
Hat
Legs
Legs
Hat
Body

now make sortie earring boxes that reroll job until you get the one you're on!

Good. The whole "hands locked" style of lotting is dumb and archaic anyways.

The incentive is it's literally faster, especially if it causes major issues with queue times. In fact, I'd argue that it's even better now to team up than it was before, because if you needed a few pieces of Malignance prior to October update (say you're 1/5), you would be reluctant to join groups because you need so many pieces and you would be potentially forfeiting malignance pieces to other players where you could lot those as well. The "I'm 4/5, im locking hands" situation also screwed someone else who also needed hands, either forcing them to compete with you for lots or switching to another piece. With those problems out of the way completely, the only issue now is speed to acquire a box. Without knowing what the drop rate on boxes are (they could be as rare as malignance armor itself, so grouping and doing VD kills would be infinitely faster), it still makes sense to team up because you would be getting boxes faster in a group vs solo, just due to kill speed alone.

Besides the scenario where a person has an army of alts and can "solo" their own boxes, every player benefits from joining a group, there's no longer any incentive to solo from a reward perspective.

This is funny. They must have not wanted to go through the work of adding the Malignance pieces to an NPC via an exchange reward system where you could just pick your reward, and decided on this dice roll method. Scared of the spaghetti

Clearly they CAN do it, but this line here pretty much reinforces their ideology when it comes to making things easier:


When was Malignance gear added, 2019? 6+ years. Sortie is only 4 years old, so you got some time before they start giving out freebies.

People are mostly fairly anti-social these days, they are not going to team up. If the option is wait an hour or team up, they are gonna wait an hour.

If you need proof of that, you only need to look at Einherjar.

It just takes one person to take the lead. People hate setting up their own stuff. Always been that way.

The wild part is that they couldn't check which pieces you already have and give you one you don't without forcing you to reopen the box. Must not have any custom handling on box use. Writing code to silently reroll until it's a valid piece would take less than 2 minutes for a private server.

The code already (kinda) exists:
UNM coffers give you gil if its a rare item you already have.

I'm sure incursion coffers have a similar fallback code for NM coffers, but I dont open those (thanks Geas Fete)

Gobbie box will give you a random goblin item if your reward would have been something you already had. Same for abjuration dial IIRC

I mean, I was trying to stick to usable items, similar to how the Malignance Box will likely work, not interactable NPC's

Yea, I think they just took this code and had it give you another malignance coffer since the fallback was already there.

How is giving you another box if you already have the item it would have given you any more work than just giving you the piece of armor you don't have via silent reroll? I mean obviously to get a box in return it has to scan your inventory at some point right? This method sounds like it's an unnecessary extra step.

Man, over the last few years, they've put out some seriously confusing systems that don't really follow logic (amplifier bonus based on health, amplifier charge system, Gaol health recovery on subsequent attempts, weird Ruspix plate logic, the strange level adjusting content in Limbus, even spitewarden kills for extra drops is weird). I really wonder where they get the idea for how to implement these systems, they seem far more confusing and much more effort to implement than other means. Digress.

I mean - imagine you're looking at a Jenga tower that a few thousand people have been playing for twenty-odd years, and are loudly passionate about seeing continue. Are you gonna make a safe move, or try to yeet something structural?

Also, c'mon... SE never met a mystery box they didn't like.

Well regardless of the specific mechanics I'm glad that some of my friends can finally get the last piece they need.

Wait until you realize that because it counts as 5 pieces they've lowered the drop rate 5 fold

Now you get any piece on demand... at crep cloak rates!

It's a joke; stop typing. Even at 1/5 rates it would still be better than it was.

The interaction is different, but I assumed the mechanics of how loot is distributed were the same. Who knows with SE?


I'm guessing they didn't have the foresight to code for later adding a bad luck protection mechanic, so they didn't implement it in a manner that makes the adjustment as easy as it should be.


Now I need to go get a mystery box so I can stand in town and spam it nonstop, babbling something about a boat...

SE accidentally created a fidget spinner for people who are already 5/5.

SE just needs to add a new malignance item but not actually make it obtainable so people sit in town spamming the item endlessly trying to see if it will drop.

Malignance Chocobo whistle.

Purple feathered chocobo wearing a Malignance Tabard as a saddle and a Malignance Chapeau. 0.000001% to get.