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That or they go and put a steroid injection into all the seal NMs, popping the NM itself isnt that big an issue most of the time, but the proc system, especially for a new player who's likely solo along with the drop rates themselves, and still is subject to just bad rng, especially when you're on body seals, which from memory were the more annoying NMs to deal with/more iffy drop rates, the kupon is just a no-brainer whenever its available because doing aby NMs is awful

They did similar to sky god popsets iirc, where it drops multiple pops, just apply the same to aby NMs in regards to seals(though if you goof and apply it to emp weapon items that's cool too)

But when it is an issue, it is a huge pain, especially on Asura/Bahamut. Like, look at SAM, who has one of the best bodies:

Ninghizidha (3 items, including a timed spawn, possible emp competition)

Ironclad smiter (admittedly not too bad to pop, but annoying as hell to proc and possible epona's competition)

Chione (easiest to pop but almost guaranteed soul competition)

(yea, yea, play on small servers.. don't have to sell me on it, but doesn't mean SE can't improve things)

Yeah, bodies are a different level of annoyance, i just haven't farmed aby nms in ages (for good reason) to recall just how bad they could be beyond my memories of trying to farm the sabo for blu bodies/ironclad for drk bodies.

Point being the seal drop rates without procs are already pretty trsh, with procs they're still trash as it could just be more of a seal you didnt need, and requires you to engage with the proc system which requires specific jobs that a person may not have, obviously you would get help but that's not always an option so you're stuck beating your head against rng just to begin a further grind with rem's just to get it to an ilvl state and then work on the vagary requirements after that(though thankfully there's "solo" bosses for that)

It's just not an enjoyable experience especially when compared to artifact/relic armor. Fact they added a kupon could imply they know it's not a good experience; so just bump the rates in the pool/how many drop slots are in the pool, etc. If that creates a sea of seals when you yellow proc, good.

Only made worse by the fact Empy +2/+3 is essentially required for every job across the board.

Imagine a new player trying to farm this stuff - madness.

They talked about it in the last AMAN live. Next month is a technical test with the eventual aim of synchronizing campaigns with the monthly updates. They want less/no down time between campaigns but they said it may be confusing while they throw stuff at the wall to see how best to do it.

Saw it plenty, you either helped them with the NMs, or it was kupon season and tried to corral them to just standing in the BC entrance or using an orb, along with telling them to have 20+ free slots for the numerous other junk.

One is a whole lot more preferable than the other since its guaranteed progress vs 1-2 hrs of potentially partial progress.

The harder part is the vagary bosses tbh, as atleast previously wasnt well marked as an option to unlocking 119, not sure if that has been changed along with explaining how to get to the BC and such. Empyrean armor in general is just kind of a mess in comparison to the other jse

The wiki has links to the single NM fights for unlocking empy upgrades - is how I did mine.

Easy to see in game - hell no, what is.

if you do find yourself popping NMs for empy seals, just bring TH and don't bother with yellow. it helps, but with power levels today its faster to just kill asap than try to proc, especially if they do annoying things like cast or have tight timing windows (ironclads etc).

exception might be some of the body NMs mentioned already, in that case pick the easiest one to pop.

Bordering on pedantic, but if you're one of the people with a bunch of chars it's definitely worth proccing. With fast cast and knowledge of the spells (or a decent bot), you can usually knock out grellow in under 30 seconds and it at least doubles drops. Doesn't matter if the NM dies instantly, it takes over a minute just to repop the ??? so that alone makes grellow better.

Obviously pretty much everyone should yellow proc on body NMs. The easiest bodies to pop are still one sub-NM with a <100% trigger and one trash mob.

Of course, the people who need it most aren't likely to have the job flexibility or mules to make it easy. They also might not even have discernment.

Yeah, it really depends on KI. Can't do procs if you don't know what the proc is.

When I finally gave in last time and went to farm seals I used brd/blm. Tier1 /blm spells make procs easy, and brd spells cover the rest.

Drop rates with that and th2 or th4 (th4 set after proc) were good.

But a new person having both brd levelled, KI for procs, and a TH4 set.. yeah, right.

Most of them are indeed going to have no atma unless it's campaign, no discernment and doing it solo.

They should just kill it

If you 3box(+) and are old enough to know what discernment is, you shouldnt need any advice how to farm emyrean seals

sorry didn't specify the audience there, was aimed towards soloers and new/returning folk that may or may not be out there in greater numbers recently :)

Is this backwards...?

BLM/BRD has 5/7 of each element's spells (Except dark/light: 4 dark, 1 light)
BRD/BLM has 1...maybe 2 or 3 for stone if you have ML (or it's dark)

BLM/BRD is by far and away the best job for proc'ing yellow, BRD/BLM is god awful, one of the worst.

brd/blm can savage blade
blm/brd can take an hour swinging a staff

Its aby, you can nuke stuff easily, moreso if you get any affinity atmas

Because Cataclysm and/or Retribution dont exist

Its *** abyssea, lv85-90 content that was so dumbed down cause of OP atmas, and this guys still all "muh savage blade"

Hey you actually got a joke for once. Instead of typing two paragraphs missing the point entirely.

Progress!

Try that more often.

Hahaha, This reminds me of when Blm burn was the answer to everything. Then TP burn rolled around also. This is how I imagine the development team lol.

I don't remember tbh, doing that was so painful I had to unsub for a few months just to rehab enough so I never want to Aby seal farm again. It was probably blm/brd.

No game should force its players to do ***like that.

The proc system wasn't that bad. I mean, it could be worse and obscure like "Go to Flux #7 and stare at it for 30 seconds." with zero context or hints of how someone would ever figure out to do that. lol

The proc system was fun at the time, you could low man it and it was a bit novel since you were just mashing the same WS over and over again. Plus often low manning it you wanted different seals from your friends or if you had multiple jobs you could get seals for more than one.

Now? if you've done most of them getting that 1 seal type solo when you can only do a limit number of procs just feels like a pointless chore having done it a plethora of times already. Sometimes you can get a friend to help and and its not so bad then (being able to hold multiple pops to cut down on travel helps too, although many zones are too bad).

It aged poorly.

15 years ago we'd happily spend 8 hours procing seals, farming crour, looking for augs, rare scrolls and dragon meat, farming empyrean weapons.

Now there's just better thingsto spend time on and the thought of burning an hour+ on some *** nm that will only drop pup seals is repulsive.

Especially, when you can instead half afk an orb battle, and instantly finish it instead.

it did mandate a bit of job variety which lead to voidwatch's system, could have been a lot worse and was kind of fun figuring out all the procs before discernment. I remember trying to get red for KIs for zone bosses with an alliance of people spamming every WS under the sun and all the chaos that entailed. like everything else though, once you know how everything works it loses some appeal.

Abyssea good
Vw bad

There has been other proc systems since then but I don't think they are as heavily documented

The htbf avatar fights have their own system?

original htb avatars are the last "full" one iirc, before that was the dynamis rework. Atleast from what i recall everything else is a singular proc like WSing from behind, or land a debuff, etc.