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By Asura.Eiryl 2025-09-07 07:55:09
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Kaffy said: »
if enough NA people went to the extreme to cancel subs over this, would SE even get the memo? how do you hit them where it hurts AND clearly show why you did it? a forum post on the OF would probably get shut down immediately.

not suggesting anyone do this, just a thought exercise how would you get their attention. Nynja made the point that this absolutely would not fly on Odin, and I agree, how do non-JP ever stand a chance?

It would take a lot. A lot lot. Like a thousand minimum. Like one of the bottom 10 entire server would have to go dark in solidarity.

And it'd take more than one pay period.

It would have to be an actual holy ***moment. Biblical. Even to get a bean counter to raise his eyebrows in actual panic. An unachievable goal.
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By ilugmat 2025-09-07 09:08:16
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Kaffy said: »
if enough NA people went to the extreme to cancel subs over this, would SE even get the memo?

So two things:

It's blatantly obvious that a threat from upper management was made to cut the budget of XI over the last couple of years bfore Matsui left, if revenue did not improve (inflation is destroying the profit margin of the game, and has been for years), that is why Matsui tried to make VR (when it is blatantly obvious they did not have the budget to make it to the standard they are usually made) and shilled merch so hard for a couple of years. They were trying to boost revenue, it didn't end up making enough of a difference and Yoshida cut the budget of the game anyway.

That is why Matsui stepped down from the game when he intended to stay with it till retirement, he didn't do it because he wanted to. Matsui was offered to go work on ff14 14 years ago and he turned it down because he wanted to keep 11 going, so he took over producer role. He was literally moved off 11 and is now working on some shitty unknown "mobile game" till retirement because JP companies can't lay people off, and he needs to hang in to get his pension. He fell on his sword to save the game, and because he refused to lay anyone else off he was in charge of.

This is why Fujito was so salty when he took over and was talking the way he was when he was talking about worrying about the developers careers, and why he can't hire anyone else. Cause they don't have the budget to hire anyone else anymore.

Yoshida recently made a post complaining about people modding ff14, and how it was costing them money (players mod cash shop stuff and use an addon so other players can see everyone elses mods). How inflation was really destructive and only the cash shop allows them to continue funding ff14. Now imagine a game with no cash shop and less players if this is his mindset.

This is not to say the game is on the verge of being shut down, but it's obvious the devs were not happy about losing someone from a close knit team.

ff14 statement from Yoshida: (bolded part half way down)

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Like, what do people think would happen if they had a zero tolerance approach to RMT instead of just trying to control them as they do now? The RMT would DDOS the servers as they did during the choco blinker days and none of you would be able to login, they would also start hacking players accounts again to sell their gil off. Given how lacking in protective thinking many XI players are with addons and download anything from anyone, that would not end well for the endgame players.

SE control RMT pretty well, stopping them being overly malicious. If the RMT went full apeshit mode the game really would not be able to weather such an onslaught too well.

Right now the serious RMT operate on a level where they want the game to continue out of self interest, and where they try to make their money offering services instead of being oppositional to the game and its players. That's about as good as it can get when there are few legal ways for the companies to stop these people.
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By Lili 2025-09-07 09:13:06
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
It would have to be an actual holy ***moment. Biblical. Even to get a bean counter to raise his eyebrows in actual panic. An unachievable goal.

And it would be the excuse the execs are waiting to pull the plug against Fujito's efforts, so let's make it not happen.
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By Bahamut.Creaucent 2025-09-07 12:06:48
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Kaffy said: »
if enough NA people went to the extreme to cancel subs over this, would SE even get the memo? how do you hit them where it hurts AND clearly show why you did it? a forum post on the OF would probably get shut down immediately.

not suggesting anyone do this, just a thought exercise how would you get their attention. Nynja made the point that this absolutely would not fly on Odin, and I agree, how do non-JP ever stand a chance?

If enough people cancelled subs for long enough they would just shut down the servers as it just wouldn't be feasible to keep them running with such a same player base. What you are suggesting here would hurt the game way to much.
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By Kaffy 2025-09-07 12:27:05
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specifically mentioned not suggesting anything, I don't wish SE any ill will despite bitching about stuff like this that entirely changes the way the game is played. guess I knew the answer already in that there still isn't a good avenue for communication for non-JP players to give feedback before it comes to unsubbing.
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By Felgarr 2025-09-07 12:27:51
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Honestly, ever since Square Enix's failure of $200M Avengers game, the company has been struggling financially.

I think to myself that, they are circling the drain and someone like Sony is eye'ing up to buy them in a heartbeat.

But ...but, it would be TRAGIC if Microsoft or Amazon (Activision?) bought them instead...
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By Banhammer 2025-09-07 12:59:47
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Felgarr said: »
Honestly, ever since Square Enix's failure of $200M Avengers game, the company has been struggling financially.

I think to myself that, they are circling the drain and someone like Sony is eye'ing up to buy them in a heartbeat.

But ...but, it would be TRAGIC if Microsoft or Amazon (Activision?) bought them instead...

Square has a terrible leadership team that refuses to give gamers what they want and what we ask for. Nobody wanted Guardians. Nobody wanted Forspoken. For the love of god, stop trying to appeal to the mythical western modern audience - IT DOES NOT EXIST.

Square sorely needs to return to their roots and go back to their 90's and early 2000's catalogue. They are getting absolutely cooked by random nobody studios.
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By Siren.Kyte 2025-09-07 13:20:57
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guardians was pretty widely praised and the tomb raider games were fine

the issue with avengers had more to do with the type of game they made and the art style they used

but beyond that- i'm not really sure why you're saying that they need to do that *now*, given that they've already done just that; they've already sold off all their western studios

did you just wake up from a coma or something?
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-09-07 13:23:37
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Leviathan.Andret said: »
There is a reason why people aren't spreading to the empty servers where there are very few if no RMT.
Why would a group of people willingly leave their small quiet server to go to a high pop server where there are queues to enter events?
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By Genoxd 2025-09-07 16:15:41
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The fact that expedition 33 was not created by square enix should make them feel ashamed. The fact that it was made by a studio of less than 40 people should make them really question wtf they are doing and why they're missing the mark so badly.
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By Banhammer 2025-09-07 16:51:20
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Genoxd said: »
The fact that expedition 33 was not created by square enix should make them feel ashamed. The fact that it was made by a studio of less than 40 people should make them really question wtf they are doing and why they're missing the mark so badly.

They refuse to make a new Nier property as well allegedly because they don't want to pay Yoko Taro. They let Stellar Blade by Shift One take it. It's basically the relaunch of Nier and Yoko Taro was hugging up on Kim Hyeong-Tae in interviews together.

As big a F-K you to SE as I think he could professionally get away with.
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By Lili 2025-09-07 16:56:21
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Genoxd said: »
why they're missing the mark so badly

Executive/beancounter led decisions rather than artistic/creative vision.
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By Kadokawa 2025-09-08 00:00:12
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people that complained in official ffxi forum got resualts from SE, however ppl that are compalining in here are just shouting in a graveyeard for answers. Complain/suggest in the Official forum not here.
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By Fenrir.Zenion 2025-09-08 00:02:57
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Kadokawa said: »
people that complained in official ffxi forum got resualts from SE, however ppl that compalin here just shout in a grave yeard for answers. Complain in Official forum not here.

[Citation needed.]
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By Kadokawa 2025-09-08 00:06:09
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Fenrir.Zenion said: »
Kadokawa said: »
people that complained in official ffxi forum got resualts from SE, however ppl that compalin here just shout in a grave yeard for answers. Complain in Official forum not here.

[Citation needed.]

Stage 4 Hard mode was forced, people complained in official forum and it got changed. yes hey read what people type over there and proven many times.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-09-08 00:16:22
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And those complaints came from the JP side.
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By Fenrir.Zenion 2025-09-08 00:40:37
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Meanwhile, over on the English side, we're two years into "Vana'bout should start at midnight instead of four hours earlier, and uncleared objectives should go away instead of blocking slots." And that's stuff that there's an official "post here to give us feedback about this" thread for.

Posting in English on the official forums is, essentially, just prayer. Maybe somebody's listening, but there's precious little evidence that that's the case. Sometimes something happens that looks like what you asked for, but it could just as easily be pure coincidence.
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2025-09-08 00:47:04
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They have selective hearing on the official forum. I have brought issues forward and had many agreeing, but they do not care at all unless they are 1) losing money, or 2) the suggestion goes with what they were already planning.

Hell, even when they do those special screenshot campaigns, they fail to send out rewards. Last time I did it, I had to hijack the thread to ask why I hadn't received anything. Turned out a few others hadn't either. They have and always will be shockingly bad on the forum (minus the JP side).
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By Bahamut.Sulryn 2025-09-08 01:28:29
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I believe that there isn't a dedicated Community team for FFXI on the official forum.
Evidence is that the same "Community Rep" that made post in FFXI forum also post on FFXIV forum.
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2025-09-08 02:07:20
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Bahamut.Sulryn said: »
I believe that there isn't a dedicated Community team for FFXI on the official forum.

There's like 1 post every week on the OF for FFXI, why in the world would they have a dedicated TEAM for the community of FFXI..? What would a full team of full-time workers do with their day if they were assigned to the English FFXI forums? Watch YouTube videos or read books?
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By Bahamut.Sulryn 2025-09-08 02:19:38
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Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »
There's like 1 post every week on the OF for FFXI, why in the world would they have a dedicated TEAM for the community of FFXI..? What would a full team of full-time workers do with their day if they were assigned to the English FFXI forums? Watch YouTube videos or read books?
I was simply stating one of the more obvious reasons that things posted on the official forum get ignored... I'm not suggesting that there should be a community team.
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2025-09-08 04:43:32
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update notes said:
About the number of entrants for Dynamis – Divergence
I have an update regarding the participation method for the content.

We have taken great care when deciding upon the minimum number of players allowed within Dynamis – Divergence, due to the impact that would arise from such major changes to the content. However, we are finally at the point where we feel we have an idea about what shape these possible changes could take.

Although we are not ready to give an update on our progress, we feel it's better to give you small updates like this, even at irregular intervals, so that you can prepare for the upcoming changes rather than being surprised by them if they are implemented without notice.

Therefore, we will be holding a campaign from September that makes it easier for you to challenge the boss monsters found in Dynamis - Buburimu, Dynamis - Valkurm, and Dynamis - Qufim. (We also plan to make it easier to obtain items that weaken the Dynamis - Buburimu boss as part of September's Dynamis Granules of Time Campaign.)

This felt like a non sequitur to me. They're talking about reducing the Dynamis divergence entrance requirements and then ??? Dreamworld Dynamis campaign ???
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By Dodik 2025-09-08 05:00:16
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Not sure if "making it easier to challenge the boss" is the same as "making it easier to obtain items that weaken" them.

If they're easier to challenge, why do you need to weaken them.
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By Lili 2025-09-08 06:12:52
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Some people still getting *** slapped by ADL, I guess, tho afaik he's not needed to get Divergence access, is it?
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2025-09-08 06:32:38
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No, but that is the right line of reasoning. You have to beat Dynamis - Tav to access Divergence, apparently, and you have to beat Bubu/Valk/Qufim to access Tav. Lower tier (level 80) bosses only for everything.

Thanks!
* We're revisiting the Divergence entry conditions to make them easier
* One of those conditions is Dynamis Tav access
* We're going to make it easier to clear the level 80 NMs needed for that

Reducing one-time hurdles like this mostly helps people spinning up new accounts, but maybe that is the point.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2025-09-08 07:53:13
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Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
Reducing one-time hurdles like this mostly helps people spinning up new accounts, but maybe that is the point.
They gotta get those unasuran economies pumpin
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By Lili 2025-09-08 08:05:22
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Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
Reducing one-time hurdles like this mostly helps people spinning up new accounts, but maybe that is the point.

I feel that the 45 day wait lock against certain content is underused. Sure it can be annoying if you're spinning up your 9th box, but as long as it's done right it still gives time to a new character to learn the game and get prepared before getting into things - and a new player has no business doing Odyssey after just a week anyway.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2025-09-08 08:08:10
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I mean. Any hurdle is a bad hurdle.

If you start a game and they tell you, you can't do that until you've paid us twice, you should say, well *** you then.

What does it really accomplish putting 45 day wait on a new bot getting nyame. You start a trial account, leave it logged off for 45 days then start it. Didn't do anything.

Also; It's just like imps, you should be doing Sheol A immediately, you need a TON of segments (Which is why I said Sheol A mobs hit too damn hard previously)
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