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 Asura.Eiryl
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By Asura.Eiryl 2025-09-07 07:55:09
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Kaffy said: »
if enough NA people went to the extreme to cancel subs over this, would SE even get the memo? how do you hit them where it hurts AND clearly show why you did it? a forum post on the OF would probably get shut down immediately.

not suggesting anyone do this, just a thought exercise how would you get their attention. Nynja made the point that this absolutely would not fly on Odin, and I agree, how do non-JP ever stand a chance?

It would take a lot. A lot lot. Like a thousand minimum. Like one of the bottom 10 entire server would have to go dark in solidarity.

And it'd take more than one pay period.

It would have to be an actual holy ***moment. Biblical. Even to get a bean counter to raise his eyebrows in actual panic. An unachievable goal.
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By ilugmat 2025-09-07 09:08:16
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Kaffy said: »
if enough NA people went to the extreme to cancel subs over this, would SE even get the memo?

So two things:

It's blatantly obvious that a threat from upper management was made to cut the budget of XI over the last couple of years bfore Matsui left, if revenue did not improve (inflation is destroying the profit margin of the game, and has been for years), that is why Matsui tried to make VR (when it is blatantly obvious they did not have the budget to make it to the standard they are usually made) and shilled merch so hard for a couple of years. They were trying to boost revenue, it didn't end up making enough of a difference and Yoshida cut the budget of the game anyway.

That is why Matsui stepped down from the game when he intended to stay with it till retirement, he didn't do it because he wanted to. Matsui was offered to go work on ff14 14 years ago and he turned it down because he wanted to keep 11 going, so he took over producer role. He was literally moved off 11 and is now working on some shitty unknown "mobile game" till retirement because JP companies can't lay people off, and he needs to hang in to get his pension. He fell on his sword to save the game, and because he refused to lay anyone else off he was in charge of.

This is why Fujito was so salty when he took over and was talking the way he was when he was talking about worrying about the developers careers, and why he can't hire anyone else. Cause they don't have the budget to hire anyone else anymore.

Yoshida recently made a post complaining about people modding ff14, and how it was costing them money (players mod cash shop stuff and use an addon so other players can see everyone elses mods). How inflation was really destructive and only the cash shop allows them to continue funding ff14. Now imagine a game with no cash shop and less players if this is his mindset.

This is not to say the game is on the verge of being shut down, but it's obvious the devs were not happy about losing someone from a close knit team.

ff14 statement from Yoshida: (bolded part half way down)

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Like, what do people think would happen if they had a zero tolerance approach to RMT instead of just trying to control them as they do now? The RMT would DDOS the servers as they did during the choco blinker days and none of you would be able to login, they would also start hacking players accounts again to sell their gil off. Given how lacking in protective thinking many XI players are with addons and download anything from anyone, that would not end well for the endgame players.

SE control RMT pretty well, stopping them being overly malicious. If the RMT went full apeshit mode the game really would not be able to weather such an onslaught too well.

Right now the serious RMT operate on a level where they want the game to continue out of self interest, and where they try to make their money offering services instead of being oppositional to the game and its players. That's about as good as it can get when there are few legal ways for the companies to stop these people.
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By Lili 2025-09-07 09:13:06
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
It would have to be an actual holy ***moment. Biblical. Even to get a bean counter to raise his eyebrows in actual panic. An unachievable goal.

And it would be the excuse the execs are waiting to pull the plug against Fujito's efforts, so let's make it not happen.
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By Bahamut.Creaucent 2025-09-07 12:06:48
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Kaffy said: »
if enough NA people went to the extreme to cancel subs over this, would SE even get the memo? how do you hit them where it hurts AND clearly show why you did it? a forum post on the OF would probably get shut down immediately.

not suggesting anyone do this, just a thought exercise how would you get their attention. Nynja made the point that this absolutely would not fly on Odin, and I agree, how do non-JP ever stand a chance?

If enough people cancelled subs for long enough they would just shut down the servers as it just wouldn't be feasible to keep them running with such a same player base. What you are suggesting here would hurt the game way to much.
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By Kaffy 2025-09-07 12:27:05
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specifically mentioned not suggesting anything, I don't wish SE any ill will despite bitching about stuff like this that entirely changes the way the game is played. guess I knew the answer already in that there still isn't a good avenue for communication for non-JP players to give feedback before it comes to unsubbing.
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By Felgarr 2025-09-07 12:27:51
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Honestly, ever since Square Enix's failure of $200M Avengers game, the company has been struggling financially.

I think to myself that, they are circling the drain and someone like Sony is eye'ing up to buy them in a heartbeat.

But ...but, it would be TRAGIC if Microsoft or Amazon (Activision?) bought them instead...
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By Banhammer 2025-09-07 12:59:47
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Felgarr said: »
Honestly, ever since Square Enix's failure of $200M Avengers game, the company has been struggling financially.

I think to myself that, they are circling the drain and someone like Sony is eye'ing up to buy them in a heartbeat.

But ...but, it would be TRAGIC if Microsoft or Amazon (Activision?) bought them instead...

Square has a terrible leadership team that refuses to give gamers what they want and what we ask for. Nobody wanted Guardians. Nobody wanted Forspoken. For the love of god, stop trying to appeal to the mythical western modern audience - IT DOES NOT EXIST.

Square sorely needs to return to their roots and go back to their 90's and early 2000's catalogue. They are getting absolutely cooked by random nobody studios.
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By Siren.Kyte 2025-09-07 13:20:57
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guardians was pretty widely praised and the tomb raider games were fine

the issue with avengers had more to do with the type of game they made and the art style they used

but beyond that- i'm not really sure why you're saying that they need to do that *now*, given that they've already done just that; they've already sold off all their western studios

did you just wake up from a coma or something?
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-09-07 13:23:37
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Leviathan.Andret said: »
There is a reason why people aren't spreading to the empty servers where there are very few if no RMT.
Why would a group of people willingly leave their small quiet server to go to a high pop server where there are queues to enter events?
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