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 Fenrir.Brimstonefox
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By Fenrir.Brimstonefox 2025-08-26 12:41:00
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Kaffy said: »
what world do you live in where people measure everything in seconds only?

We live in a world of computers? Which btw measure everything in seconds (much finer precision than that actually)

If you actually understand how computers keep time (google "epoch time") you can realize the Y2k was a fallacious problem and it actually hasn't happened yet.

Anyways this should solve everyone's problem:
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timeremaining = 123456
if timeremaining > 3600:
   print(f'{timeremaining/3600.0:0f} hrs')
elif timeremaining > 60:
   print(f'{timeremaining/60:0f} min')
else:
   print(f'{timeremaining:0f} sec')


Not that I expect SE to do that, but its a few lines of code.
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By Kaffy 2025-08-26 12:44:42
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my mistake, poor choice of words. precision is a good thing, but not converting it to a more user friendly format for display makes little sense.
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By Shiva.Thorny 2025-08-26 12:56:28
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Their normal menu system takes a parameter and subs it into a set of tokens, the server doesn't send you the full string it's going to display. In this case, the message they chose is:
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"You can't use the \x01\x053\x82\x80\x80\x80 for another \x0A\x01 second\x7F\x92\x01[/s] (Earth time).\x7F1\x00\x07"


So, they have one token that subs in the key item, one that subs in the number of seconds, and one that subs in the optional s for multiple seconds. The menu event system does not have a way to display fully dynamic text, as is. So, while they should probably have dealt with that at some point, implementing a more flexible display is still annoying.

They'd likely have to add 3 message ids for the different format, change the way the packet is sent for each, and do the calculations on the server end to determine which packet is sent, which order the parameters go in, and what values each param is. It's not rocket science, but it is considerably more annoying than what Brimstone posted.

Of course, this is assuming their tooling doesn't tie the message id to the menu event, and implementing it is as simple as writing the if-elseif-else logic and adding more dat entries. If it's integrated further up, it would start to border on spaghetti code to do it at all.
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By Fenrir.Richybear 2025-08-26 13:05:07
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TIL it's Square Enix not Spagh Etti
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-08-26 13:42:16
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Rytaal : A new Imperial Army I.D. tag can be issued at 4/9/1465 0:59.(Earth Time: Nov. 1, 2024 11:31:11pm)

There are already systems in place that give exact time until event availability, instead of telling you when stuff will be available in hours/minutes/seconds. Thats just one example I was able to find in my logs.
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By Fenrir.Brimstonefox 2025-08-26 13:48:39
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Shiva.Thorny said: »
If it's integrated further up, it would start to border on spaghetti code to do it at all.

The answer to that is almost certainly "it is".

I'm sure its not written in python either, but also if windower can inject lots of log messages via lua plugins, not exactly rocket science for SE to have some client side way to pretty print messages from the server. Not that I want to blame the guy now trying to fix a problem invented by someone else years ago...
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By Fenrir.Richybear 2025-08-26 13:56:10
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Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
Rytaal : A new Imperial Army I.D. tag can be issued at 4/9/1465 0:59.(Earth Time: Nov. 1, 2024 11:31:11pm)

There are already systems in place that give exact time until event availability, instead of telling you when stuff will be available in hours/minutes/seconds. Thats just one example I was able to find in my logs.

Though not availability, I think mog locker is broken down the same way too.

Inb4 TOAU is only time they did this
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By soralin 2025-08-26 14:04:29
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Obligatory XKCD

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By Dodik 2025-08-26 14:15:00
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Someone that has worked with date time would first ask "Which timezones" then convert both to UTC before subtracting them, surely.

And they don't have to do any of that, just take seconds / 3600 and display it as hours with a x.y precision, meaning one decimal point. Still one value to display.
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By soralin 2025-08-26 14:23:00
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Yall are triggering my UX meeting 'nam flashback ptsd to multi-hour long meetings arguing about this exact kinda stuff.

I do admit, displaying the remaining time as seconds is by far the *worst* way to choose and smells borderline intentional as malicious compliance *or* as a joke to troll us.
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By Seun 2025-08-26 14:28:25
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soralin said: »
I do admit, displaying the remaining time as seconds is by far the *worst* way to choose and smells borderline intentional as malicious compliance *or* as a joke to troll us.

Until you realize they could have given us all of the times in Vana'diel and not earth...
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By soralin 2025-08-26 14:30:52
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***, that's pretty good tho, lol
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By Lili 2025-08-26 17:18:41
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Here
https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/58594/readable-make-npcs-readable-again/
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By Phoenix.Capuchin 2025-08-27 01:17:32
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Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
Rytaal : A new Imperial Army I.D. tag can be issued at 4/9/1465 0:59.(Earth Time: Nov. 1, 2024 11:31:11pm)

There are already systems in place that give exact time until event availability, instead of telling you when stuff will be available in hours/minutes/seconds. Thats just one example I was able to find in my logs.

===Area: Aht Urghan Whitegate ===
Fubruhn: This is the center for Mog Locker administration and expansion. How may I help you?
Fubruhn: Your current Mog Locker lease is valid until 2027/3/31 16:23:01 (Earth time).
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By Asura.Sechs 2025-08-27 03:30:37
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Limbus NMs incoming NOMNOMNOMNOM
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By Lili 2025-08-27 03:38:14
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Also permanent stews (RMTs rejoice) and no more unnecessary imprimatur block on Adoulin missions!
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By Asura.Vyre 2025-08-27 03:47:48
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Phoenix.Capuchin said: »
Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
Rytaal : A new Imperial Army I.D. tag can be issued at 4/9/1465 0:59.(Earth Time: Nov. 1, 2024 11:31:11pm)

There are already systems in place that give exact time until event availability, instead of telling you when stuff will be available in hours/minutes/seconds. Thats just one example I was able to find in my logs.

===Area: Aht Urghan Whitegate ===
Fubruhn: This is the center for Mog Locker administration and expansion. How may I help you?
Fubruhn: Your current Mog Locker lease is valid until 2027/3/31 16:23:01 (Earth time).
Mine's good until 2062/11/11 02:34:05 (Earth Time)
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By Phoenix.Capuchin 2025-08-27 12:03:38
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adjustments to the rewards for Besieged

Hoping that means my bothering to do Besieged regularly these past several months will finally pay off. Should also be fun to see the drama if there is anything good and people who didn't do Besieged get mad.
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By Ovalidal 2025-08-27 12:16:53
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Phoenix.Capuchin said: »
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adjustments to the rewards for Besieged

Hoping that means my bothering to do Besieged regularly these past several months will finally pay off. Should also be fun to see the drama if there is anything good and people who didn't do Besieged get mad.

Hope you're right. The producer said that there isn't currently much reason to do Besieged in an interview a couple months ago, and went on to say that he intends on changing that while hinting at rewards.

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...as well as new notorious monster locations as part of the second round of updates to Limbus.

Wonder if this means new parts of the zones or new spawn locations for the new NMs?
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By Asura.Eiryl 2025-08-27 12:35:49
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Phoenix.Capuchin said: »
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adjustments to the rewards for Besieged

Hoping that means my bothering to do Besieged regularly these past several months will finally pay off. Should also be fun to see the drama if there is anything good and people who didn't do Besieged get mad.

Everyone should know better items are coming. "eventually".

These are probably still meh tier. Some side grade action. Still a ways to the good stuff.
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By Bahamut.Daleterrence 2025-08-27 12:50:51
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Asura.Vyre said: »
Phoenix.Capuchin said: »
Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
Rytaal : A new Imperial Army I.D. tag can be issued at 4/9/1465 0:59.(Earth Time: Nov. 1, 2024 11:31:11pm)

There are already systems in place that give exact time until event availability, instead of telling you when stuff will be available in hours/minutes/seconds. Thats just one example I was able to find in my logs.

===Area: Aht Urghan Whitegate ===
Fubruhn: This is the center for Mog Locker administration and expansion. How may I help you?
Fubruhn: Your current Mog Locker lease is valid until 2027/3/31 16:23:01 (Earth time).
Mine's good until 2062/11/11 02:34:05 (Earth Time)

Oh we doin' this now?

Because I'm pretty sure this is the max, I haven't tried to throw more coins at it for a while now, but it wouldn't let me trade anymore when I did it, idk if it's a hard max or what.
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By Kaffy 2025-08-27 13:13:18
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FFXI is dying, only 45 years left!
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By Dodik 2025-08-27 13:26:13
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Ovalidal said: »
Wonder if this means new parts of the zones or new spawn locations for the new NMs?

Betting they are free-roaming NMs within Limbus. That anyone can attack and get some currency or personal drops or w/e.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2025-08-27 14:02:44
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I worry if they make stuff free roaming, bots have a field day and can further monopolize. I want to give them the benefit of the doubt and say they've thought ahead to the best approach to take with this, as they've been pretty good lately with some of the decisions.

My guess is the Geas Fete model instead that costs units in the zone, varies by NM/Floor/Wing, multiple ???s per floor. Similar to izzat popping NMs in Odyssey. After a while, units become useless, so giving another purpose to these points would make sense to me.


Actually they did say something about it being similar to Besieged or Domain Invasion, right? You're probably right. Completely forgot about their comments on that.
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By Valefor.Philemon 2025-08-27 14:21:54
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Be funny if they're spawned at the ??? so servers like mine can't even pop Temenos.
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By Dildonunchucks 2025-08-27 14:22:15
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The NM's will probably just give more points
Wouldn't hold my breathe on anything amazing or game changing
It would be cool if they did though

It will just be another option
Open chests or kill NM's
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By Bahamut.Daleterrence 2025-08-27 14:36:36
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Kaffy said: »
FFXI is dying, only 45 years left!

Crap, I better finish off my last business and log off at Blueblade Fell quick.
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By Bahamut.Creaucent 2025-08-27 15:02:45
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Dildonunchucks said: »
The NM's will probably just give more points
Wouldn't hold my breathe on anything amazing or game changing
It would be cool if they did though

It will just be another option
Open chests or kill NM's

NMs are dropping accessories we have already been told this.
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By Fenrir.Richybear 2025-08-27 15:19:34
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They'll use up all remaining resources to change the equipment menu so the accessories can be like "Right hand, pinky finger" "Left hand, index finger"

Which I'm sure all of that started as a sarcastic nod to the "Your Brutal and Suppa are on the wrong ears"
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By Dildonunchucks 2025-08-27 15:31:24
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I don't see where it says that anywhere
Did they mention it during an interview?

Relax guy
Go pour some boiling water on your crotch
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