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Dev Tracker - Discussion
By Ovalidal 2025-02-07 05:22:37
I suspect it’s because Dawntrail was taking up all of the resources in 2024.
From the March 2023 Digest:
Quote: So rather than limit our developers to working exclusively with FFXI and its decades-old technology, I believe it would be better to allow them to gain experience in other development environments and bring back their learnings to FFXI. As such, I have elected to further downscale the scope of our Development team to provide more leeway for our operations to continue.
From the way it sounds, some of the FFXI team wasn't just being sent out to find something to learn, rather, there was a particular project that they could work on, and when done, they'd return to FFXI.
Seven months later after that update:
Quote: Echoes of Vana’diel is the new Alliance Raid, and it is being worked on in collaboration with the FFXI team.
And unsurprisingly, around the time the first patch of Echoes of Vana'diel, FFXI's dev team sends out a survey, likely to convince a higher-up for more funding.
Now, I'm not saying FFXI is getting a new expansion and loads of new content. But drip-feeding UI changes and ending new Ambu encounters may have been what they decided to do while some of the devs were working elsewhere.
 Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2025-02-07 05:46:26
It's unfortunate that the exemplar campaign is only valid for 500k
Very. Douchey. A 3 week campaign bonus that's expended in 1 day.
(I won't get the 1m exemplar so doesn't matter to me, just saying it's not great)
By Kaffy 2025-02-07 06:27:47
yeah 500k is equivalent to ML0-ML16. Capped EP is just shy of 30m.
Its a start, but an extremely small one.
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By Shiva.Thorny 2025-02-07 07:08:48
Campaigns aren't meant to replace gameplay, EP was always meant to be a grind. If you're the type of person who needs ML50, the campaign is worthless but you would've gotten it anyway. Pretty much the same argument Eiryl constantly makes about droprates.
It is probably a considerable help to the people who don't buy EP farms, don't bot their EP, and play casually. I like it.
Matsui instead of Cornelia is gross, though. Don't think anyone's gonna disagree with that.
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By Lakshmi.Stepth 2025-02-07 07:27:33
They just announced a “limited time” subscription bundle discount for being subbed to both XI and XIV.
Campaign teaser tweet.
By Draylo 2025-02-07 07:33:32
I suspect it’s because Dawntrail was taking up all of the resources in 2024.
From the March 2023 Digest:
Quote: So rather than limit our developers to working exclusively with FFXI and its decades-old technology, I believe it would be better to allow them to gain experience in other development environments and bring back their learnings to FFXI. As such, I have elected to further downscale the scope of our Development team to provide more leeway for our operations to continue.
From the way it sounds, some of the FFXI team wasn't just being sent out to find something to learn, rather, there was a particular project that they could work on, and when done, they'd return to FFXI.
Seven months later after that update:
Quote: Echoes of Vana’diel is the new Alliance Raid, and it is being worked on in collaboration with the FFXI team.
And unsurprisingly, around the time the first patch of Echoes of Vana'diel, FFXI's dev team sends out a survey, likely to convince a higher-up for more funding.
Now, I'm not saying FFXI is getting a new expansion and loads of new content. But drip-feeding UI changes and ending new Ambu encounters may have been what they decided to do while some of the devs were working elsewhere.
Expansion confirmed!
Carbuncle.Maletaru
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2025-02-07 07:43:21
yeah 500k is equivalent to ML0-ML16. Capped EP is just shy of 30m.
Its a start, but an extremely small one.
Just want to point out that 500k is the bonus, not the total EXP. Assuming you're ML0 when you start and you use the whole bonus, you'd be ML22 when the bonus finishes (500k base + 500k bonus).
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Phoenix.Iocus
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By Phoenix.Iocus 2025-02-07 07:48:08
Yeah they are totally trying to get XIV players some interest in XI so they have something to alternate when XIV hits content lulls.
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I would be satisfied if the exemplar point campaign was 500k per job, but I understand why it's not. I'm only disappointed in 3 +1 old cases in the gold rewards. A single +2 would have been so motivating since there is an obvious lack of Cornelia in favor of abandonment dev taru. They should at least add a tanaka galka SAM/BST that has a 50% miss rate but gives him a chance to summon a jug pet bat named 'Nerf' that cripples the opponent.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-02-07 07:53:44
You can tell who does and doesnt bot their EP by the groans of "ugh only 500k".
Someone who gets their EP from endgame events with an extra hour at Locus on Saturday or Sunday, they're gonna milk all of that 500k.
By Kaffy 2025-02-07 08:00:54
A party of 6 real people with efficient job comp and cor roll can maintain 150-200+k EP an hour without god tier gears. So the reward is 2-4 hours of work, give or take. I was looking at it as a percentile of the total EP required for a ML50 but that isn't fair because the curve is so steep at the end. 2-4 hours of EP isn't terrible for the time invested into Vana'Bout objectives after all.
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Shiva.Thorny
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By Shiva.Thorny 2025-02-07 08:17:58
It's a whole lot more for people who don't have access to a high-quality bard, don't have upgraded odyssey gear, may still be using empyrean+2, etc. The goal of campaigns shouldn't really be to further elevate the top 5% of the playerbase, IMO. There's a huge gap between them and the rest, moderate actions to lessen it are desirable.
By ilugmat 2025-02-07 08:24:26
The 1 month XI discount for XIV players sounds fine, but if they ever make it a permanent thing it will be an utter disgrace and I hope they never do that.
Someone playing XIV and XI (2 subs) should not be treated better than a current XI player having 6 subs, why should they get a cheaper sub and make queue times longer for everything we want to do.
We will effectively have a worse experience so someone else can play for half price, just stay on XIV if you can't afford the extra $6 a month.
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By Fenrir.Richybear 2025-02-07 08:28:35
Us: Why don’t they give us 6 forevers of Cornelia, ML50 on all jobs, +2 earring of our choice and a Stage 5 prime for reeling in 5 fish?
Us if we got that: Oh, now even some filthy casual scrub like Richy now has a prime horn! This game is stupid and rewards the losers. Why even bother trying?
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Phoenix.Iocus
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By Phoenix.Iocus 2025-02-07 09:00:21
Yo man 5 fish might get me banned for setting up a fish bot and forgetting it overnight!
Think of the risk vs reward when you throw out these dangerous ideas~
By Moonlightagb 2025-02-07 09:37:19
CORNELIA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matsui-p
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By Ragnarok.Vargasfinio 2025-02-07 09:47:43
Oh boy - time to get three more +1 earrings I can't (won't) use.
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2025-02-07 10:32:24
The 1 month XI discount for XIV players sounds fine, but if they ever make it a permanent thing it will be an utter disgrace and I hope they never do that.
Someone playing XIV and XI (2 subs) should not be treated better than a current XI player having 6 subs, why should they get a cheaper sub and make queue times longer for everything we want to do.
We will effectively have a worse experience so someone else can play for half price, just stay on XIV if you can't afford the extra $6 a month.
Maybe if instead of paying 6 subs you actually played with 5 other human beings, the queue wouldn't be so bad.
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By Fenrir.Niflheim 2025-02-07 10:35:30
anyone whose response is "ugh more people playing ffxi is a bad thing" should just move to a 0 population server, if you 6 box you dont need friends anyway.
Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2025-02-07 10:36:47
Zero 14 players will start 11 and stay more than a month or 2 anyway. It's a non-issue.
By ilugmat 2025-02-07 10:50:47
The 14 players aren't gonna party either, cause none of the veteran players are gonna invite them with base 119 gear. They are also not going to group up, so it will be just lots of people soloing with trusts for no real extra revenue and so no new devs or content either.
Also those 6 boxers are party of why the game is still profitable and running.
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By Asura.Pergatory 2025-02-07 10:53:51
The 14 players aren't gonna party either, cause none of the veteran players are gonna invite them with base 119 gear. They are also not going to group up, so it will be just lots of people soloing with trusts for no real extra revenue and so no new devs or content either. Nice straw man.
I group up with 14 players all the time. Had several for Omen the other day and quite a few along for Vagary on Sunday.
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By Fenrir.Niflheim 2025-02-07 10:55:21
They are also not going to group up Why would they not group up with each other? they are literally at the same experience level with the game and have a shared background coming from ffxiv.
By Ovalidal 2025-02-07 11:00:51
The 14 players aren't gonna party either, cause none of the veteran players are gonna invite them with base 119 gear. They are also not going to group up, so it will be just lots of people soloing with trusts for no real extra revenue and so no new devs or content either.
Also those 6 boxers are party of why the game is still profitable and running. This feels so far removed from what new/casual players are actually like.
In my experience, FFXIV players are the ones who head to Valkrum and LFG cause they don't know what the modern game is like. I've had several FFXIV players reach out and ask for group to get an orcish axe for the rank 1 Sandoria mission lol. No shame in that, by the way.
Also, the notion that 6-boxers are the ones that make a game profitable is just flat out wrong. What makes a game profitable is when people play with friends, and friend groups convince others to start the game. The number of people I've met who started FFXI "because my friend asked me to" is way higher than many vets would ever claim.
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By Phoenix.Iocus 2025-02-07 11:26:41
It's fine if people want to 6 box instead of help new people. But it does make you look a certain way if you say those people are going to clog up the content or something derogatory about them existing.
By Taint 2025-02-07 11:29:10
14 is such a shallow game, FFXI is old, cumbersome but incredibly deep.
Anything to help get more players here is a good thing.
By ilugmat 2025-02-07 11:39:01
But it does make you look a certain way if you say those people are going to clog up the content or something derogatory about them existing.
The point was, for them to come in at a permanent half price. At full price, more the merrier.
This thread is for discussion of recent news from the Dev Tracker - News thread. Keep it civil.
Original thread by Pantafernando archived here.
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