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I like when they had the surprisingly long lasting glitch of WSD applying to all hits of every WS. They should bring that ***back.

It was really fun to see people scrambling to rethink things with such a significant mechanics change, actually felt fresh and exciting for that several month period.

My man, you are way off on this particular point. I've done easily 250+ VD Odins, all with at least TH4 (and a not insignificant number with TH9+), and I have *never* seen Zantetsuken drop. Not once. Zantetsuken X I think I've seen maybe twice.

I know I might be unlucky on particular drops and you might have been luckier, but I've spammed VD fairly recently for friends probably 35-40 times and not seen any bodies, swords, great swords in that time. I've also definitely gone with people needing bodies and not seen any in 10+ runs.

I actually agree with you that Odin is not that bad of a model for drops, and I kinda find the fight fun too (we usually do it PUP RDM SMN SMN COR ???). But telling people that in 5-10 VD wins you'll almost certainly get 1 of every drop is just wrong and sets up false expectations.

Im nowhere near 200 Odins and I have 3 zantetzukens. I know I maxed head/body before I seen some other firsts. Youve got a string of bad luck, but one groups testimonial about Odin doesnt compare to the testimonials of many groups across all servers regarding Wyrm God ***drop rates.

I've botted enough VD Odin to get both rings and armor pieces on 12 characters + some other runs for friends. It seems that I have only 1 Zantetsuken, 2 Geirrothr, and 4 'Zantetsuken X'. I don't care to comb through logs(multiple chars, filtering double records of same instance, etc), so it's possible that I did toss some of the weapons or give them to others since they are kind of trash.

But, if I hadn't actually looked, I would've had no doubts about MT's assertion that the drops are all pretty common there. It does seem likely that the weapons are substantially reduced.

I've got dozens of rings and armors and have only seen the spear and gs once each, never a sword.

No different than any other htmb. Different rates for different pieces.

You'll get a thousand h2h before you get the ear from A&O. You'll get a thousand backs before you get a shield in Alex. You'll get a thousand stones before you get a hammer from cait.

Oh, I'm not saying Odin is in any way comparable to Shinryu. That's obvious. I think the Odin/Cait/Alex/Lilith fights are pretty fair from a drop rate perspective. And I'm well aware that I am less lucky than the average for that particular drop.

I just took issue with Maletaru saying "If you spam VD like 5~10 times, you'll almost certainly get 1 of every drop". Get outta here with that, there's no way in hell every item in that pool has a 10-20% drop rate. That's such a wild exaggeration.

I don't even have a huge issue with having an especially exclusive rare drop. Like Gyve Doublet from Dawn as an example. If they wanna make one super shiny rare drop, that's not crazy to me. What IS crazy to me is the Shinryu approach with way too many items in the pool fighting for that one super rare slot, and at 30 merits no less. But that's obviously not a very hot take, feels like everyone but Fujito is in agreement on that point.


Yeah, that matches up with what I've seen over a lot of Odins for many people. Even just eyeballing it, I've seen way fewer weapons than rings/helm/body (with body feeling the lowest of those). Which is fine, and not really unexpected - and FAR more reasonable than the Shinryu approach, no argument there at all. But thinking you'll get full drops in 5-10 Odin fights is a massive exaggeration and would require being extremely lucky. That's all I'm trying to say.

Only did enough VD Odin to get four rings and saw two swords and one GS in that time. One body.

It does vary a lot.

Iv done exactly 264 ODIN D this year and have seen 2polearm, 1 GA, 0 sword, 1freke after 5 runs, 2nd after 259 more runs. the rest of the drops I got years ago so cant compare on that. all runs had th9+. Its no shinryu but still bad drop rate on weapons and accessories.

Certainly possible I've been lucky, I've not done hundreds of fights, maybe 50-100 total. I also definitely overstated the weapon drops because honestly they all suck so I sorta forgot they exist. The sword is ok I guess but not really a must have and only (debatably) useful for one off-meta job+situation. The others are basically totally useless for endgame.

Their drop rate is definitely much worse than the accessories and armor and they will take a while to drop. If you want the actually useful pieces, the armor and accessories, you'll get them in a night of attempts. At least a few in the first 7 runs, and on average I'd say you'll have 1 of every non-weapon drop by your second merit refill.

Was off base with the weapons though, my bad, overlooked that trash

I was after Freke ring for a long time and it refused to drop for me, despite soloing N/D on and off for months. Didn't see a body in that time, but saw everything else several times. Random is random.

As for Shinryu, the drop rate on the rarer stuff only torments players. SE won't do anything about that, so I choose not to do it and hope I get what I need from AMAN Trove. I have found a few things, and I know someone who got the cloak as well. It is such bad game design that many players choose to stay away from Shinryu. I told SE this would keep happening on the official forum, and while many agreed with me, they predictably did nothing.

Thats fair
I think one round (round = burn thru all merits) will usually net you one or two drops.

That's pretty apparently not true though, some drops have a lower chance than others. Gyve Doublet is a very obvious example, there is a lot of support in this very thread that Odin weapons don't drop at the same rate as the accessories/armor, Eiryl called out several more good examples (Alex shield, etc.) And of course, we all know Shinryu.


Whether or not they suck is not the point though. Relevance here is regarding approach to other new HTBF drop rates like Cloud of Darkness.

I don't think it's reasonable (or realistic) to expect that you'll be able to get full drops by one evening's 5-10 wins. And something like the Dawn model with one highly rare drop, or an Odin model with a handful of drops with significantly lower rate (but not Shinryu tier bad), doesn't strike me as especially unreasonable.

But I guess it's all just a matter of waiting for the update to see how painful it is. Since this is 2025 FFXI, I'm setting my expectations at "very painful" and anything reasonable will feel like a big win.

Expect to be as painful as possible.

Expect to do it anyway.

Expect to be reminded it's your own god damn fault it's miserable.

And if you luck out, it won't be.

I'm not going to even put in the words. You know what it is.