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Random Politics & Religion #28: The Last One
By Zerowone 2017-10-20 13:00:07
Bismarck.Josiahfk said: »There are observable and quantified correlations between race and intelligence This is an interesting claim I'd love to see you elaborate on further.
Googling that would likely just be a waste of time.
Please elaborate on whatever the *** you are talking about !
scientific rascism and eugenics beliefs of the 1880-1940’s manifesting in today’s society.
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By fonewear 2017-10-20 13:01:21
Scientific racism sounds like fun do I get to use a beaker and a test tube ?
By fonewear 2017-10-20 13:05:45
Well if you get that ancestry DNA test. You can claim all sorts of races. So I don't know pick Other under race.
By Zerowone 2017-10-20 13:05:54
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-10-20 13:08:47
Oh snap, Nausi's a white supremacist!
The way he stated it wasn't exactly accurate, its not about absolute race but gene pool and selective pressure. Humans are not born genetically equal, intelligence and athletic ability are predominately based on genetics, as well as personality and a whole bunch of other attributes. Genetics makes up the basic framework us humans develop in and also limits our potential.
Two IQ 145 (IQ isn't a very good measure but it's what we got to work with) genius's have three children, the odds are very high though not absolute that those children will also be genius's. Two superb professional athletes also have three children, the odds are very high, though again not absolute, that those children will be athletically gifted. This concept is pretty easy to understand and can be seen in effect throughout the world since life discovered sex.
Now apply this same concept to historically separate gene pools that selected for different things. Watch as this serves to generate a different genetic framework for each of them. Wealthy aristocrats had children that were genetically predisposed to being more intelligent then children of mere peasants. This is also the reason so many cultures are fanatical about tracking lineage and blood lines.
Had China, with it's advanced culture, decided to colonize and globalize the world, we'd all be speaking Chinese, talking about "Chinese Privilege" and complaining about all those Chinese families with their undeserved wealth.
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-10-20 13:10:20
Bismarck.Josiahfk said: »There are observable and quantified correlations between race and intelligence This is an interesting claim I'd love to see you elaborate on further.
Googling that would likely just be a waste of time.
Please elaborate on whatever the *** you are talking about !
scientific rascism and eugenics beliefs of the 1880-1940’s manifesting in today’s society.
The science on genetics is sound, and it can't be refuted.
Now acting on and trying to craft social policy around that science is horrific and inhumane. Separate the knowledge and science from the social policy.
By fonewear 2017-10-20 13:16:26
The only genetics I remember is from watching that movie Gattaca.
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-10-20 13:22:55
Here is a good idea on the average IQ on a per-country basis. This isn't sorted by race but by country.
https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country
The Asians pretty much own everyone followed by Europeans and then African continent at the bottom end. IQ's tend to go up over time, provided the environment is a stable resource rich one. The discrepancies can largely be explained by environmental factors, especially when we consider that at one point in time the African empires were some of the oldest and greatest in the world.
About the Flynn effect, that's largely about how the environment impacts the ability for a person to reach their potential. Take those children from the super athletes, their genetic potential is very high, yet if they are in an environment that's replete with malnutrition and resource poor, they will never reach their potential. Same with the children from the genius's, if their environment doesn't provide the appropriate resources they'll never hit their potential.
By fonewear 2017-10-20 13:23:13
I'm going to the flea market:
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-10-20 13:30:09
Bismarck.Josiahfk said: »There are observable and quantified correlations between race and intelligence This is an interesting claim I'd love to see you elaborate on further.
Googling that would likely just be a waste of time. First you would have to define intelligence.
We Ashkenazi Jews are top scorers on IQ tests, averaging 124 on the Wechsler-Bellevue. The Japanese come in second at 117. But what does it mean? The only thing it predicts is how well you are going to do on your next IQ test.
Last I heard science had defined over 30 different types of intelligence. No idea how many, if any, are tested for in IQ tests.
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-10-20 13:31:27
More medical studies about racial IQ differences and environmental vs genetic, the results is the disparity is largely genetic.
https://www.news-medical.net/news/2005/04/26/Race-differences-in-average-IQ-are-largely-genetic.aspx
Quote: In their article, Rushton and Jensen also address some of the policy issues that stem from their conclusions. Their main recommendation is that people be treated as individuals, not as members of groups. They emphasized that their paper pertains only to average differences. They also called for the need to accurately inform the public about the true nature of individual and group differences, genetics and evolutionary biology.
So yeah, don't be a racist *** and treat people as individuals.
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-10-20 13:36:27
Bismarck.Josiahfk said: »There are observable and quantified correlations between race and intelligence This is an interesting claim I'd love to see you elaborate on further.
Googling that would likely just be a waste of time. First you would have to define intelligence.
We Ashkenazi Jews are top scorers on IQ tests, averaging 124 on the Wechsler-Bellevue. The Japanese come in second at 117. But what does it mean? The only thing it predicts is how well you are going to do on your next IQ test.
Last I heard science had defined over 30 different types of intelligence. No idea how many, if any, are tested for in IQ tests.
As I said
Quote: IQ isn't a very good measure but it's what we got to work with
It's workable for general learning ability. The numerous human talents and personalty traits, of which intelligence is merely one of, is hard to quantify. We use this method because it's the best one that's available and when applied to a large enough group it works. Intelligence being linked to genetics is irrefutable, just like height, hair color, and personality. The reasons for discrepancies are also pretty easy to suss out, provided there isn't an omnipresent entity demanding the "Politically Correct Right Answers".
Now what do we do about it? Not a damn thing, it's not the governments place to go around mucking with social policy based on genetics. Nothing good can come of that. In time it will all even out.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-10-20 13:42:35
Took that IQ test from that link of Savael's.
Got a 131.2 on it.
Yeah, yeah, I know that online IQ tests aren't indicative to actual IQ, and IQ doesn't mean anything really, but still.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-10-20 13:52:53
Bismarck.Josiahfk said: »Took that IQ test from that link of Savael's.
Got a 131.2 on it.
Yeah, yeah, I know that online IQ tests aren't indicative to actual IQ, and IQ doesn't mean anything really, but still. that's still not bad though. Ranked 92 Percentile. Not the best, but I'll take it.
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By Siren.Mosin 2017-10-20 13:53:01
life is *** weird. never heard that word in 34 years and now I've heard, or seen, more accurately, the bugger twice today. life is an odd ride.
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-10-20 14:15:06
Bismarck.Josiahfk said: »Took that IQ test from that link of Savael's.
Got a 131.2 on it.
Yeah, yeah, I know that online IQ tests aren't indicative to actual IQ, and IQ doesn't mean anything really, but still. that's still not bad though. Ranked 92 Percentile. Not the best, but I'll take it.
That is just click bait, it's not where the data came from. The only reason I linked it is that it's got a nice list of averaged IQ by country with clear colored graphics.
Quote: Average national IQs according to IQ and Global Inequality (2002)
That itself took it's data from several studies with a big one being in 2001.
That's why I provided second from a medical publisher itself full of references to actual studies. There is more but they are usually behind a paywall so I'm trying to only provide stuff that others can verify if they so choose.
https://www.news-medical.net/news/2005/04/26/Race-differences-in-average-IQ-are-largely-genetic.aspx
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-10-20 14:17:54
It seems that telling easily disprovable lies a catchable disease.
Kelly erroneously claimed congresswoman took credit for building funding, video shows
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Quote: White House chief of staff Gen. John Kelly on Thursday erroneously claimed that Rep. Frederica Wilson, D-Florida, claimed credit for securing "$20 million" in federal funding to build a new FBI field office in Miami in 2015, according to a video of the dedication ceremony posted Friday by the Sun Sentinel.
Accusing her of being an "empty barrel," Kelly said Wilson focused more on her own actions than the heroism of the two FBI agents for whom the new building had been named.
While Wilson took credit in her speech at the dedication ceremony for shepherding legislation naming the FBI building after two FBI agents who were killed in a 1986 gunfight, she did not claim credit for helping to fund the building, according to the video.
Wilson also spent a considerable portion of her remarks praising the valor of law enforcement, retelling the story of the two slain FBI agents and calling on those who work in the field to stand and be recognized....
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2017-10-20 14:20:48
Tell me pleebo, if I burned the rainbow flag to protest police brutality, you'd be cool with it right? Go nuts, dude. It's a *** flag. There's been many an action against actual LGBT people so a piece of disposable material is the least of anyone's worries. You mean the rush of "fake" hate crimes? Or the oppression of daring to think people with gender identity disorder might not make great soldiers? Also, does that mean that you recognize my burning of a flag to be a sogn of disrespect? No one is burning flags so who *** cares?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-10-20 14:21:51
That is just click bait, it's not where the data came from. The only reason I linked it is that it's got a nice list of averaged IQ by country with clear colored graphics. Oh poo.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-10-20 14:22:38
Tell me pleebo, if I burned the rainbow flag to protest police brutality, you'd be cool with it right? Go nuts, dude. It's a *** flag. There's been many an action against actual LGBT people so a piece of disposable material is the least of anyone's worries. You mean the rush of "fake" hate crimes? Or the oppression of daring to think people with gender identity disorder might not make great soldiers? Also, does that mean that you recognize my burning of a flag to be a sogn of disrespect? No one is burning flags so who *** cares? Are you ok with people burning gay pride flags while shouting anti-gay rhetoric and calling for the deaths of gay people?
By Blazed1979 2017-10-20 14:35:58
Pretty much every city in China. and its not like they don't have options.
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-10-20 14:36:03
That is just click bait, it's not where the data came from. The only reason I linked it is that it's got a nice list of averaged IQ by country with clear colored graphics. Oh poo.
Yeah the middle area is quite misleading, they present the data from another source and then try to bait you into giving them ad revenue by providing a cheesy "IQ test".
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By Siren.Mosin 2017-10-20 14:38:54
lol
By Blazed1979 2017-10-20 14:39:31
Are you ok with people burning gay pride flags while shouting anti-gay rhetoric and calling for the deaths of gay people? burning gay pride flags, yes. shouting anti-gay rhetoric, yes. Calling for the deaths of gay people, *** no.
Freedom of speech has limits.
By Nausi 2017-10-20 14:45:17
Bismarck.Josiahfk said: »There are observable and quantified correlations between race and intelligence This is an interesting claim I'd love to see you elaborate on further.
Googling that would likely just be a waste of time.
Please elaborate on whatever the *** you are talking about !
scientific rascism and eugenics beliefs of the 1880-1940’s manifesting in today’s society. Of course Zero cant resist the urge to cry “racist” either. Race has its predominant foundations in geographical location. If you take proto man and place him in dofferent location across the globe, there is no logical argument that you can make that would suggest all of those locations would evolve and prosper in the same manner. Some might be generally smarter than others and some might be generally more physically capable than others.
That doesnt mean any particular society would be objectively inferior to another, but they would all be different (not equal) from each other.
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Old one went on long enough.
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