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By eliroo 2017-06-06 12:51:44
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I wonder who the real winner was here
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By Nausi 2017-06-06 13:18:24
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Well, Trump and his supporters. We caught a leaker red handed. Onto the public execution to set the proper example.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-06-06 13:25:27
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eliroo said: »
I wonder who the real winner was here
Anthony Weiner, for the most published Weiner in 2016.

Wait, too soon?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-06-06 14:27:35
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Welp, Comey won't testify that Trump obstructed justice.

So, there goes the liberals/democrats only hope of pinning this "scandal" on Trump.

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Former FBI Director James Comey won’t testify that President Trump obstructed justice in the FBI’s investigation into alleged ties between the Trump campaign and Russia, according to a new report.

A source familiar with Comey’s thinking on the matter told ABC News that Comey will not say Trump interfered with the FBI’s investigation, but will dispute Trump’s assertion that the former FBI director told me three times that he is not under investigation.

“He is not going to Congress to make accusations about the President’s intent, instead he’s there to share his concerns,” the source told ABC News.

Comey is set to testify Thursday before the Senate Intelligence Committee after being fired by Trump in May.
In a signed letter from Trump to Comey, Trump said it was time for a “new beginning” at the FBI.

“While I greatly appreciate you informing me, on three separate occasions, that I am not under investigation, I nevertheless concur with the judgment of the Department of Justice that you are not able to lead the Bureau,” Trump wrote.

Trump cited investigations into Russia’s interference in the 2016 presidential election in explaining his decision to fire Comey in May.

“Regardless of recommendation, I was going to fire Comey,” Trump said during an interview on "NBC Nightly News in May, insisting "there was no good time to do it."

“And in fact, when I decided to just do it, I said to myself, ‘You know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made up story,’” Trump continued.

“It’s an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should have won ... This was an excuse for having lost an election.”
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By eliroo 2017-06-06 14:32:02
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> Complains about unnamed sources
> Posts an article with an unnamed source

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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-06-06 14:37:10
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Well, you are right.

Problem is, this isn't some "insider information" in the government. Just a source close to Comey, an ex-federal employee.

Don't know why they omitted the source. Not like anyone is going to get fired for making this statement.

Could be facts I don't like.
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By Nausi 2017-06-06 14:38:55
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#comeycarnival looking like it will be yet ANOTHER nothingburger.

Seriously, the lib's most favorite food these days!
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By eliroo 2017-06-06 14:39:04
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Though it is interesting we have two unnamed sources saying the polar opposite. Thursday should be interesting for either party involved. Trump having a religious speech at 12:30 that same day and being active on Twitter oughta spice up the day.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-06-06 14:44:10
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eliroo said: »
Thursday should be interesting for either party involved.
No, not really.

Here's how it's going to play out:

1) Comey states that Trump demanded Flynn's investigation to be stopped, somebody's going to ask the question "Why didn't you report it to Congress?" and he's not going to be able to answer that. Therefor, he implicates himself on grounds of not reporting a crime, which justifies his firing and basically underminds this testimony.

2) Comey doesn't state that Trump demanded Flynn's investigation to be stopped, which blows up in the face of liberals/democrats, and nothing comes out of it.

I'm placing my money on #2.
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By eliroo 2017-06-06 14:46:06
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Those are the scenarios in your head which you have to admit are very biased. This can go very bad for trump.

Given Comey's track record at getting peoples hopes up and then letting them down, I doubt anything will happen though.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-06-06 14:50:32
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Trump’s Solution to His Administration’s Lack of Progress: Lying About It
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... Bloomberg’s Toluse Olorunnipa writes Monday morning that the administration reliably misses its self-imposed deadlines on just about everything it sets out to do—or shifting blame. On Monday, for instance, Trump attacked Democrats for stalling his nominations. “Dems are taking forever to approve my people, including Ambassadors,” he tweeted. “They are nothing but OBSTRUCTIONISTS!” For the most part, Democrats haven’t even been sent nominations to obstruct. The administration has yet to nominate candidates for hundreds of key positions, ...

... On Monday, the Brookings Institution’s Bruce Riedel reported that according to defense industry and congressional contacts, the $110 billion arms deal reportedly struck between the Trump administration and Saudi Arabia is largely illusory. From Brookings:
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There is no $110 billion deal. Instead, there are a bunch of letters of interest or intent, but not contracts. Many are offers that the defense industry thinks the Saudis will be interested in someday. So far nothing has been notified to the Senate for review. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency, the arms sales wing of the Pentagon, calls them “intended sales.” None of the deals identified so far are new, all began in the Obama administration.
Trump’s unveiling of his plan to privatize the nation’s air traffic control had been staged to resemble signing ceremonies for actual legislation:
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At an East Room event that was choreographed like the elaborate ceremonies for enacting major legislation, Mr. Trump signed a memo and letter to Congress outlining his principles for overhauling the nation’s air traffic control system. He handed out pens to lawmakers who had been invited to attend, and reveled in several rounds of applause.

But Mr. Trump’s announcement did not have any binding effect ...
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-06-06 14:52:58
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My guess:

Comey will not implicate Trump for obstruction of justice for obvious reasons, the least of which being that it would be self-incriminating.

Comey will still be as damaging as possible to give the sharks something to feed on, mostly due to sour grapes. This will be a media firestorm for approximately 2-3 Trump news cycles (<1 week total), just like the YUGE bombshells dropped by others who have testified such as Whatsherface and Whatshisface, whom nobody cares about or remembers.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-06-06 15:05:36
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
Trump’s Solution to His Administration’s Lack of Progress: Lying About It
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... Bloomberg’s Toluse Olorunnipa writes Monday morning that the administration reliably misses its self-imposed deadlines on just about everything it sets out to do—or shifting blame. On Monday, for instance, Trump attacked Democrats for stalling his nominations. “Dems are taking forever to approve my people, including Ambassadors,” he tweeted. “They are nothing but OBSTRUCTIONISTS!” For the most part, Democrats haven’t even been sent nominations to obstruct. The administration has yet to nominate candidates for hundreds of key positions, ...

... On Monday, the Brookings Institution’s Bruce Riedel reported that according to defense industry and congressional contacts, the $110 billion arms deal reportedly struck between the Trump administration and Saudi Arabia is largely illusory. From Brookings:
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There is no $110 billion deal. Instead, there are a bunch of letters of interest or intent, but not contracts. Many are offers that the defense industry thinks the Saudis will be interested in someday. So far nothing has been notified to the Senate for review. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency, the arms sales wing of the Pentagon, calls them “intended sales.” None of the deals identified so far are new, all began in the Obama administration.
Trump’s unveiling of his plan to privatize the nation’s air traffic control had been staged to resemble signing ceremonies for actual legislation:
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At an East Room event that was choreographed like the elaborate ceremonies for enacting major legislation, Mr. Trump signed a memo and letter to Congress outlining his principles for overhauling the nation’s air traffic control system. He handed out pens to lawmakers who had been invited to attend, and reveled in several rounds of applause.

But Mr. Trump’s announcement did not have any binding effect ...
Didn't you hear Chanti, some people don't like blogs to be posted here.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-06-06 15:16:43
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And we did learn something ner from Ms. Winner's leak.

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... Its article, drawn from a classified National Security Agency document the Intercept said it received anonymously, exposed “a months-long Russian intelligence cyber effort against elements of the U.S. election and voting infrastructure.” Absent the website’s publication, we might never have learned about the Russian attack aimed at a U.S. vendor of voter registration systems....
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Bad tradecraft: How the Intercept may have outed its own leaker
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-06-06 15:42:33
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So?
 
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-06-06 16:27:09
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2017/06/06/how-donald-trump-shifted-kids-cancer-charity-money-into-his-business/#6089d0556b4a

Wheeling and Self-Dealing... good thing I just bought a bag of popcorn Buddha
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By Nausi 2017-06-06 16:29:45
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Omg THREE Drumpf is done posts in one day???
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-06-06 16:39:57
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Nausi said: »
Omg THREE Drumpf is done posts in one day???

4 even!

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/336489-four-top-law-firms-turned-down-trump-report


Four top firms won't take him as a client. Due to Trump not following legal counsel and a history of welching on payment.
He's been seeking a lawyer for about a month now.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-06-06 16:43:25
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Nausi said: »
Omg THREE Drumpf is done posts in one day???

Yeah, it's a slow news day.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-06-06 17:29:14
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In more "nothingburger" news:

Sen. Mark Warner: More state election systems were targeted by Russians

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The top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee told USA TODAY on Tuesday that Russian attacks on election systems were broader and targeted more states than those detailed in an explosive intelligence report leaked to the website The Intercept.

"I don't believe they got into changing actual voting outcomes," Virginia Sen. Mark Warner said in an interview. "But the extent of the attacks is much broader than has been reported so far." He said he was pushing intelligence agencies to declassify the names and number of states hit to help put electoral systems on notice before midterm voting in 2018.

"None of these actions from the Russians stopped on Election Day," he warned.

The National Security Agency report said Russian military intelligence executed a cyber-attack on at least one U.S. supplier of voting software and sent deceptive emails to more than 100 local election officials in the days leading up to the election last November — a sign that Moscow's hacking may have penetrated further into voting systems than previously known.

The Justice Department on Monday announced that Reality Leigh Winner, a 25-year-old employee of a federal contractor with a top-secret security clearance, had been charged with leaking classified information to an online media outlet. On Monday, The Intercept published the NSA document detailing the Russian involvement. Court documents outlining the charges against Winner did not specifically cite the NSA report that had been posted on the website.

"Whoever's the leaker should be pursued to the full extent of the law," Warner said.

The two-term senator and former Virginia governor, 62, said most of the states involved now are aware they had been targeted by the Russian cyberattacks.

"Some folks say the states are victims, so they have to agree to release that information," he said. "I really want to press the case. This is not an attempt to embarrass any state. This is a case to make sure that the American public writ large realizes that if we don’t get ahead of this, this same kind of intervention could take place in 2018 and definitely will take place in 2020."

In the interview with Capital Download, Warner also discussed two crucial Senate Intelligence Committee hearings this week, including testimony Thursday by ousted FBI director James Comey.

The "million-dollar question" for Comey is whether President Trump asked him to back off the investigation into retired general Michael Flynn, a campaign adviser who was forced out as White House national security adviser, Warner said. And he said similar questions will be posed to Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats and NSA Director Mike Rogers at Wednesday's hearing.

"My hope is they don't try to hide behind executive privilege or try to say 'this is classified information,'" the senator said of the intelligence chiefs. "The American public deserves to know whether this president tried to interfere or tried to affect their views about this Russia investigation, and one way or another, we're going to get to the bottom of this."

Asked if that sort of interference would amount to an impeachable offense, he replied, "I don't have the slightest idea."

Warner said no topics had been put off limits for Comey, although he doubted the former prosecutor would be willing to discuss the specifics of ongoing investigations. But he does expect Comey to detail what happened in his conversations with Trump about the FBI's investigation into Russian meddling. News reports citing anonymous sources have said the president urged him to back off the Flynn investigation, and Trump himself told NBC's Lester Holt that Russia was on his mind when he then fired Comey.

"Director Comey wants to tell his side of the story," Warner said. "After the way he was treated by this president, after some of the names that this president has besmirched his reputation with, just seems in basic fairness he gets to tell his side of the story to the American public, and I hope he'll be as forthcoming as possible."

Republicans, including committee chairman Richard Burr of North Carolina, have raised questions about why, if the president was trying to squelch the Flynn investigation, Comey didn't tell them or his superiors at the time. "I think that's a valid question to ask," Warner said. "But one of the things I've learned is that there's a wide breadth between what may be factual and what may be criminal."

Please note that even the top democrat/liberal in the Senate Intelligence Committee stated that Russia did not hack the election.

They tried, but failed. So, there goes any hopes of seeing a Clinton in the White House, I guess?
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By fonewear 2017-06-06 17:57:08
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I don't think Trump can make it through the end of today without being impeached. It's over !
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-06-06 18:18:32
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
So?
So we did learn something new.

You have said we hadn't.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-06-06 20:24:20
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
So?
So we did learn something new.

You have said we hadn't.
That Russia tried to hack into voting software? Do I really need to bring up the Forbes article from January that already stated such?

Unless, of course, we have confirmation from leading democrat/liberals who finally got it and stated on the record that Russia did not hack into those very software, nor was one vote changed. Then yes, we learned something.

Democrats/liberals have nothing more.
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-06-06 21:03:59
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Garuda.Chanti said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
So?
So we did learn something new.

You have said we hadn't.
That Russia tried to hack into voting software? Do I really need to bring up the Forbes article from January that already stated such?

Unless, of course, we have confirmation from leading democrat/liberals who finally got it and stated on the record that Russia did not hack into those very software, nor was one vote changed. Then yes, we learned something.

Democrats/liberals have nothing more.

The future is certain, it's the past that keeps changing.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-06-07 07:55:23
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It’s the Hypocrisy, Stupid

Sources are bad, cause they don't fit certain reality denier's narrative!

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Progressives go the full Jimmy Swaggart.

Some concerned Democrats are worried that their party may have lost the key blue-wall states because of its elitism, manifested as disdain for Americans between the coasts.

Perhaps emblematic of their worry is the strange metamorphosis of Hillary Clinton’s two presidential campaigns. In 2008, as Bill Clinton 2.0, she drank boilermakers, bragged about bowling and shooting, boasted about her resonance with the “white” working class, and clobbered Obama on his Pennsylvania clingers speech.

But after Obama’s win — and his assumed new formula of registering record numbers of minority voters and seeing them often vote in a bloc on the basis of racial solidarity — Clinton thought she too could follow this new pathway to Democratic victories. So she made the understandable political contortions

This time around, Clinton was bent on out-Obaming Obama’s “clingers” with her own “deplorables” and “irredeemables.” Her campaign was based on pandering to identity-politics groups — while she had cashed in on Wall Street in what can be fairly called a payola scheme with Bill to enrich the Clinton Foundation and thus indirectly themselves. The result was both a cultural and economic affront to what used to be the bedrock of the Democratic party.

Americans neither hate nor envy meritocratic elites. Here in one of the poorer areas of the nation in rural southwestern Fresno County, the poor admire the skilled surgeons who operate on their children. Most of the new agri-barons are up-by-their-bootstraps ethnics: Basques, Punjabis, and descendants of the Okie diaspora and the 1960s waves of immigrants from Mexico who may now farm more than 2,000 or 3,000 acres of orchards and vineyards and on paper be worth $10 or $15 million, though they dress in old clothes and drive run-down pickups. They are looked upon as success stories worthy of emulation because most talk and act like the people who work for and with them.

So perhaps what drives proverbially average Americans crazy is not the success and money of others, but the condescension and hypocrisy of what a particular elite says contrasted with how it lives: The disconnect recalls the Reverend Jimmy Swaggart, the televangelist who on Sunday mornings three decades ago used to break into tears as he loudly condemned the sins of the flesh, while he privately indulged his worldly appetites.

Elites, whose lifestyles lead them to burn lots of carbon, rail about the Paris accords to those who get by burning lots less. What is galling is to see how little the elites’ green rhetoric is backed up by their green behavior. Could Hollywood celebrities at least for a year swear off the use of their private jets that emit more carbon emissions in a year than entire small towns in Ohio?

Why do not college professors who are strident activists for climate change agree to limit their intercontinental jet trips to one a year? Could our pundits and politicians who warn Middle America to brace for radical changes in their lifestyles at least agree to live in houses smaller than 2,500 square feet?

How do our elites square the circle of identity politics and big money? The notion that reparatory admissions and hiring are based on race and gender presupposes that past endemic bias has led to oppression that in turn had hit hard the livelihoods of the Other. But what happens when after a half-century of affirmative action, many who receive preferences are richer than those whom they accuse of white privilege? Or is it more ironic than that? Wealthy white college kids chant about the demon white privilege, going so far as to help demand racially segregated safe spaces, dorms, and, in one case currently in the news, temporary expulsion of white people from campus.

They rage against a privilege that they enjoy and that their perceived targets — the unenlightened middle of America — do not. Yet one easy way of ending white privilege, to the extent that it exists, among elite enclaves would be to send one’s children to public high schools rich in diversity. One wonders how many hecklers and disrupters at Middlebury College, to take one example, chose prep school when there were better opportunities to mingle with minorities at inner-city schools? And if they really wished to address culpable whites, shouldn’t the college sponsor field trips to rural Pennsylvania or southern Ohio where such chanting demonstrators might more directly address the targets of their ire?

If one believes that charter schools and vouchers weaken the public-school system, then an effective way to counter such challenges would be to put one’s own children in public classrooms rather than to deny the poor the ability to disconnect from the public schools for the same reasons that so many elites have.

One of the most surreal paradoxes of Washington, D.C., is the number of progressives (including the former president of the United States) who put their children in Sidwell-Friends while passionately opposing charter schools and vouchers. The list of progressive paradoxes is limitless: handgun possession by the law-abiding is a supposed catalyst for violence, but not for security details who surround Hollywood and political celebrities.

Elites lecture Americans on their supposed – isms and -ologies (sexism, racism, nativism), but when such sins are endemic to Middle Eastern societies abroad or indeed among immigrant communities inside the West, they are paternalistically excused or ignored.

Common themes in rap music are misogyny, racism and calls for violence against police — the sort of career-ending lyrics for most other entertainers.

The media are overwhelmingly progressive and critical of America for its supposed backward and unprogressive values. Yet reactionary ideas are most evident on the coastal corridors and on supposedly tolerant and liberal campuses. Who thought the liberal civil rights of the 1960s would end in the neo-segregationist movements of the 2010s, most recently at Evergreen College, where all whites were asked to leave the campus for a day while minority students shut down the campus?

Yet visit liberal Silicon Valley or Hollywood boardrooms, and a self-described and purported meritocracy rules, which so far has resulted in few minorities in those corridors of influence and power.

All these hypocrisies raise the question among fly-over Americans about the entire politically correct progressive agenda of elites: Has it become reduced to a cynical sort of indemnity insurance that elites take out to lubricate their own privilege? (Will Bill Maher survive his use of the N-word, given his loud liberalism?) Al Gore got rich by creating a veritable global-warming-alarmist industry, only to offload his largely failed cable channel (in a fire sale timed to help him beat anticipated higher capital-gains taxes) to the gas- and oil-exporting autocracy of Qatar. He got away without criticism because he was Al Gore, liberal environmental-justice warrior.

John Kerry has spent a political career prompting higher taxes — only in 2010 to attempt to berth his $7 million yacht in Rhode Island rather than his home Massachusetts to avoid high sales and excise taxes. He thought he could square that circle because he was John Kerry, fierce supporter of higher redistributive taxes to expand social services.

California is the locus classicus of sanctimonious elite hypocrisies: Interior farmers must give up their contracted irrigation water to save the Delta smelt, while San Francisco environmentalists insist that their own water supplies flow from the distant Sierra uninterrupted over the San Joaquin River into the reservoirs of the Bay Area.

Stanford students lecture about erasing things named after Junipero Serra, who purportedly exploited and maltreated native Californians while founding the mission system. But Leland Stanford, the founder of the university, as governor of the state, often lectured on the inferiority of nonwhite populations, while Stanford’s first president, David Starr Jordan (co-founder of the racist “Human Betterment Foundation”), was an unapologetic eugenicist who feared the effects of miscegenation. It is quite easy to airbrush Father Serra from a few streets, but campus social-justice warriors apparently value their Stanford brand name on their diplomas too much to Trotskyize away their own investment. Left unstated is that liberal students cannot be parties to racism so, presto, Stanford is exempt from rebranding.

Obama, who lectured the country that wealthy people did not build their own businesses, that everyone should realize when they had made enough money, and that it was not the time for profiting, now earns $400,000 from Wall Street interests for short speeches on his past successes — on the heels of raking in a reported $60 million for a his-and-hers book deal. How does the tire saleswoman in Grand Rapids or the welder in Tennessee square that? Americans have no problem with Obama’s post-presidential lucrative entrepreneurialism, but they do mind that he is never subject to the ramifications of his own loud redistributionist ideology.

In sum, the progressive Left’s problem is not elitism per se, at least in the sense that it’s now the party of wealthy people, investors, professionals, academics, the media, and celebrities. Rather the rub is the Left’s grating habit of lecturing America on its shortcomings while exempting themselves.

Finally, why do progressive elites act so patently hypocritical when they must sense it is destroying the Democratic party?

Other than the Dirty Harry answer “because they like it,” the answers are complex.

In part, they virtue-signal their own distance from the shunned middle classes, who are assumed to lack both the romance of the distant poor and the tastes and culture of the proximate rich. Lectures without personal consequences allow the enjoyment of privilege without personal guilt.

Without Barack Obama’s boilerplate on diversity and social justice, the public would see that he now lives a far more privileged life than does a Mitt Romney.

In career terms, the more memos you write deploring the lack of diversity, the less likely you or your old-boy white staff will be scrutinized by diversity czars.

Hold up a simulacrum of Donald Trump’s severed head, dream to a crowd of blowing up the White House, flip the finger to Trump’s picture while flashing the V-sign to Snoop Dogg, the ex-felon and pimp, and there is little careerist downside. Mutatis mutandis, do that in the context of Obama, and your career would be over.

Big-city coastal culture is also closer to a postmodern hip Europe than to the premodern uncool interior a few miles away. There is a sense of globalized entitlement of a particular class that has prospered as a domestic market of 300 million turned into a world market of 6 billion.

Our new plutocrats believes that because they became capitalist demi-gods, they also deserved commensurate cultural and spiritual exceptionalism. An elite’s lectures on melting ice caps, transgendered restrooms, or Black Lives Matter are progressive versions of an unapologetic sinner’s singing hymns in church on Sunday; the harangues bring them closer to their social-justice deities and apparently give personal meaning to their otherwise quite non-transcendent lives.

In all their own manifest hypocrisies, Americans take for granted that elites of the Left have become the Jimmy Swaggarts of our age.
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-06-07 07:56:51
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Just had my morning coffee, whats the Trumpocalypse today?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-06-07 07:58:52
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Asura.Saevel said: »
Just had my morning coffee, whats the Trumpocalypse today?
He woke up.
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By eliroo 2017-06-07 08:07:35
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Just go to his twitter
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-06-07 08:12:28
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eliroo said: »
Just go to his twitter
He could lay off Twitter for one day, and it still wouldn't stop the liberal mouthbreathers from demanding that Trump be impeached.
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