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 Leviathan.Celebrindal
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By Leviathan.Celebrindal 2017-04-05 12:00:38
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So...nothing, and I mean NOTHING in this game frustrates me more these days than Barrage. And this is after years of being a RDM watching my enfeebles just bounce off targets whilst in some of the top RDM gear, year after year. So, I'm bringing this frustration to the community, in hopes of stabilizing my Barrages.

Here's my current medium/high accuracy Barrage set. Essentially anything Omen and higher.

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Augments on the Herculean legs- 'Ranged Accuracy+29,Ranged Attack+38,STR+8,Crit Rate+3'

Augments on the Cape are 'StoreTP+10,Racc+30,Ratk+20,Agi+20'.

In low accuracy situations I will swap rings for Rajas/Apate.

Weapons will vary, of course. Options are typically malevolence/kustawi+1 (no double malevolence yet), perun+1/kustawi+1, or perun+1/nusku(in no cor situations, which for me, happens to be rare).

Currently working on Gastraphetes, about 17k alex in.

Full JPs.

Well, I think that's all the pertinent information.
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By Asura.Azagarth 2017-04-05 12:15:24
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Not fully sure if you needed a full new post for this, seems something to just post generally on the regular guide. Anyhow even with that said I dont really understand what you are getting at. You are frustrated about barrage? Is the dmg not what you had hoped for? Not getting the tp return you think you should? Stabilizing is very vague since it could apply to many things, explain more in depth please.

Secondly, I can see you already basically got BiS gear besides HQ stuff, so what is the real question here? If your looking at things that need updating its pretty black and white, get +2 to +3, get HQ rings (SOA bis), and if you want those cool 120k+ SS then you need a relic for the dmg proc, you wont get that with non-relic weapons.
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By Asura.Sagaxi 2017-04-05 12:43:40
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Asura.Azagarth said: »
Secondly, I can see you already basically got BiS gear besides HQ stuff, so what is the real question here? If your looking at things that need updating its pretty black and white, get +2 to +3, get HQ rings (SOA bis), and if you want those cool 120k+ SS then you need a relic for the dmg proc, you wont get that with non-relic weapons.

Essentially, that.

Also, do not hope for generally higher numbers w/ Gastra. You might have a better TP return (and then again), but as said Azagarth, you won't see high spikes numbers w/o a relic X3 proc.
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By Leviathan.Celebrindal 2017-04-05 14:09:13
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Looking for consistency. Yes I know I'm staring at very solid gear, it's just the lack of consistency that drives me nuts. I chose gastra for 2 reasons - better trueflights and the "barrage accuracy"trait on it.

I know this might seem like a case of first world problems to some, but I didn't wish to complain until I felt I had done almost all I could to improve the obvious ways.
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By Siren.Kyte 2017-04-05 15:22:26
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Barrage is always going to be wildly inconsistent (even more so than a multi-hit crit WS) due to how it's calculated.
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By Asura.Azagarth 2017-04-05 15:25:20
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If its consistency its because your racc would be low and your missing shots. Its very simple then, get more racc. Some very "easy" ways are soa ring (4 racc +1 is 7) and regal ring (+6-7 racc), +3 your body (12-13 racc). Buyables - kwahu+1 (10-11 racc) and +1 feet (5-6 racc). So you would be looking at like 40~ ish racc alone with those changes, a good heaping chunk of stats, and around 80~ ra attack for higher dmg per shot too. Add in some crazy amount of stones too on herc if you so feel declined, or heck go crazy and DM aug!

I doubt even with all these changes you will see a drastic change. Its obvious you got one of the nicer sets of most people that play rng, as most wont even have +3 stuff yet - so seems more of a glory post to me but its cool to see anyhow someone putting time into rng.

The biggest question to me is, what mobs are you fighting that cause you such a great problem? I mean you literally will cap with avg buffs on even the highest eva mobs in game with that set and support, so your probably trying to shoot stuff that shouldnt be. OR probably more likely, your expecting something that rng just isnt, the top DD. They havent been amazing DD for awhile, what they have always been and what makes rng a great job is that they are the safest DD by far. I mean what other DD can stay out of aoe range, deal moderately high dps AND do it all while not pulling hate? I like rng alot and we have been finally using them in helms a lot more as of late, but not because of awesome dd potential (quite frankly if they can do half of our decked 2h its a shocker), but because they can stay out of amensia range, or help with hate issues. Normally its worth the few extra mins on a kill to ensure that you can avoid possible wipe issues.
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By clearlyamule 2017-04-05 15:28:55
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Siren.Kyte said: »
Barrage is always going to be wildly inconsistent (even more so than a multi-hit crit WS) due to how it's calculated.


I thought that was what they fixed back when they did an update to it. If not what the heck did "the accuracy calculation will be eased with the maximum number of shots." mean?
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By Ramuh.Austar 2017-04-05 15:31:30
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It won't change the fact that hit rate caps, though
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By clearlyamule 2017-04-05 16:28:43
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True but that wasn't really the problem with barrage.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2017-04-05 16:38:06
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Are you talking about the fact that when a shot misses it doesn't shoot the remaining shots?
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By clearlyamule 2017-04-05 17:05:56
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Well yeah that's why I responding to kyte's reference to that
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By Ramuh.Austar 2017-04-05 17:14:33
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I don't think that update did anything about that.
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By Leviathan.Celebrindal 2017-04-05 17:53:55
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Azagarth,

I did apologize if this cane across as an epeen post... certainly wasn't my intent. The gear options you mention in your last post will be taken heavily into consideration.

Agreed that racc is what I'm looking for more of, and outside of the obvious body to +3 I was most curious about others choices for improvement.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2017-04-05 18:06:57
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If you're capping acc more acc won't do any good.
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By clearlyamule 2017-04-05 19:19:06
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Ramuh.Austar said: »
I don't think that update did anything about that.
That's just kind of what I assumed it had done because well what does that statement mean then lol? SE and your weird phrasing sometimes. Did anyone test to see what that update did then?
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By Ramuh.Austar 2017-04-05 19:40:15
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I assumed it gave an acc boost for any hit after the initial one, which is useless since you want to hit acc cap anyways. Seems like something SE would do.
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By Leviathan.Celebrindal 2017-04-05 21:03:52
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Ramuh.Austar said: »
If you're capping acc more acc won't do any good.

Well, this does bring an interesting supposition to mind that I honestly hadn't contemplated. Scenario: Even at capped accuracy, on crap content, 2nd shot of Barrage misses just due to the nature of capped hit rate (BGWiki shows statistics for one-handed, two-handed, and pets, but not ranged weapons, but general assumptions can be made that patterns follow. If someone has direct testing, I would love to see). I do apologize for the idiocy...its a mechanic that frustrates the hell out of me that it applies to a 5min ability and can severely hamper our overall DPS in long fights-even moreso. I do appreciate SE throwing the "Barrage accuracy" variable on reforged+2/+3 hands...and hope to see that on future gear to compensate for this mechanic.

Sorry to waste people's time with what essentially boiled down to a moment of self reflection and a bit of learning.
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By clearlyamule 2017-04-05 22:38:30
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acc cap has always been 95% they specifically changed 1hd and pet to 99% but see no reason to think they accidentally did ranged too and forgot to tell us
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By Asura.Avallon 2017-06-08 15:30:25
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What about Barrage Accuracy specifically?

I'm curious if these 2 items make Barrage 100% accurate (not Ranged Accuracy).



So, +70 from Gastraphetes and +32 from the hands. Is this really 100%?

Thoughts?

I haven't checked the official guide (lately), but the last time I did look there wasn't anything specific about Barrage Accuracy.

EDIT: Little necro here.
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By Shiva.Spynx 2017-06-08 15:36:45
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Accuracy in FFXI never work by % but by absolute value compared to the enemy evasion so that's a +102 ranged accuracy on barrage that will help a lot but you are still subject to the 95% cap
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By Odin.Drakenv 2017-06-08 16:36:32
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I just came here to pew pew pew!
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-06-08 16:45:16
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Odin.Drakenv said: »
I just came here to pew pew pew!
There's porn for that.
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By Cerberus.Resetti 2017-06-08 16:52:14
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I have both Gastraphetes 119-3 and Orion Bracers +3 and still miss barrage shots from time to time so it's not 100%.
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By Leviathan.Celebrindal 2017-06-08 17:18:34
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Cerberus.Resetti said: »
I have both Gastraphetes 119-3 and Orion Bracers +3 and still miss barrage shots from time to time so it's not 100%.

Same- posting this thread originally was probably a misunderstanding of the mechanics of Barrage, or maybe just blind hope that it would get to a point of consistent high numbers. The fact is that once you hit that accuracy cap (as mentioned by someone else earlier), the 2nd shot of barrage is just as likely to miss as the 8th....meaning I'll see 20k Barrages, and full whiffs in the same fight sometimes.
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By Odin.Drakenv 2017-06-08 17:37:47
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Odin.Drakenv said: »
I just came here to pew pew pew!
There's porn for that.
God the visuals of barrage porn. Those poor girls so many shots :(
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By Quetzalcoatl.Evildgnker 2017-07-01 05:16:36
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looking for opinions on what to upgrade around here for barrange thx. cape has +10 crit str racc rtack
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By Blazed1979 2017-07-01 08:21:59
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Aeonic bullets?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Evildgnker 2017-07-01 17:09:57
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working on it 5/7 kills but yes those are definetly incoming :D /
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By Quetzalcoatl.Evildgnker 2017-07-02 20:01:18
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anybody else care to share those barrage sets ? thx