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Random Politics & Religion #20
By fonewear 2017-03-10 13:38:53
Bismarck.Josiahfk said: »Video really brings some insight into how jails extort the poor.
Really saddening to learn but glad to.
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By fonewear 2017-03-10 16:05:18
I've been to the top of the mountain !
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-03-10 18:47:59
Remember that server in the basement of Trump Tower?
Pepperidge farms the FBI remembers.
Seriously this is the single best account of what happened and includes computer security experts ruminations about what it all might mean.
Like any good reportage it asks more questions than it answers.
Sources: FBI investigation continues into 'odd' computer link between Russian bank and Trump Organization
CNN
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-03-10 19:33:07
Sean Hannity asked for a purge and he got one.
Good times
By fonewear 2017-03-10 20:54:47
This thread could use a slim jim. Beef and spices ! Oh yea !
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-03-11 07:26:40
Russian hacking is the new birtherism.
If it's what you guys are gonna hold onto for 4 years, I honestly feel bad for you.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-03-11 09:40:30
Why not? Trump held onto birtherism for 8 years.
Also the article I linked is not about hacking.
By fonewear 2017-03-11 10:04:03
Why not? Trump held onto birtherism for 8 years.
Also the article I linked is not about hacking.
By fonewear 2017-03-11 10:05:25
I'll be sending you all slim jims for umm Earth day !
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By fonewear 2017-03-11 11:59:45
P n R lately in one video:
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2017-03-11 13:39:35
Russian hacking is the new birtherism.
If it's what you guys are gonna hold onto for 4 years, I honestly feel bad for you. Weren't you one of them asking to see the long form certificate?
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-03-11 14:50:00
You know Nasui, a lot of people are saying that Trump wasn't born in NY but in Montreal while his parents were on vacation.
I want to see his birth certificate. And his tax returns.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-11 20:05:24
I want to see his birth certificate. And you have the right, to verify that he is a natural born citizen, and didn't come up from the Oompa-Lompa settlement.
I, for one, don't believe that he was born in the US. Too much orange in his skin.
Why don't you point to us in the Constitution that all presidents must show their tax returns in order to run for office.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-11 20:09:13
exchanged private direct messages via Twitter Stop the presses everyone!
We found the collusion between the US government and Russia! It's Twitter!
/gather the angry mobs
Let's all forget any illegal activity that happened during the Obama administration, and all focus on the private messaging on Trump admin through Twitter!
By fonewear 2017-03-11 21:26:32
You know Nasui, a lot of people are saying that Trump wasn't born in NY but in Montreal while his parents were on vacation.
I want to see his birth certificate. And his tax returns.
No one cares about tax returns. We already know he is rich and doesn't pay taxes. He was born in New York. Any other pressing questions ?
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-03-12 01:21:14
Lol, if the best they have is some lame private messages from Twitter to tie another Trump associate to Russia, then that's just sad. Leave it to Slate to make a big deal out of connections that are barely more than a modified form of 6 Degrees of Kevin Bacon.
By Eboneezer 2017-03-12 04:58:32
He's really disappointed a lot of people with saying stuff like
"I'll do a full disclosure of finances" and "if I run for office I'd produce my tax returns absolutely and I would love to do that"
The only people left to be surprised by this behavior are the people that voted for him and believed in him, sadly.
Luckily, not one single one of his voters voted for him to see his taxes or anything involving his finances. Surprises and disappointment avoided.
By fonewear 2017-03-12 07:38:09
By fonewear 2017-03-12 08:09:36
The only disappointment I have is that Trump didn't run 8 years ago...
By fonewear 2017-03-12 08:10:31
Could have avoided Obama care all together and saved me a lot of money ! That's all about really cleaning up the ***Obama left the country so he could go golfing ! Not to be critical...
By Ruaumoko 2017-03-12 08:50:26
Obamacare is not fit for purpose and it bugs me when I see American socialists hold up the NHS as the ideal to aspire to.
Obama tried to create a carbon copy of the UK's NHS but failed. What you got was a hatchet-job of a healthcare reform bill. Purely state-run healthcare is not a good idea. Obama failed to take the NHS into its historical context, something I constantly have to remind fellow Britons about when they themselves praise the NHS as some kind of sacred cow. The NHS was formed in 1948 by the Attlee government as a means of helping out urban populations who had suffered greatly during the Second World War. Despite some obvious resistance from conservatives the NHS was given the go-ahead because the alternative was another Bolshevik uprising, this time in the UK, if the majority's immediate condition didn't improve. Communism thrives in economic, social and medical deprivation and all the Allied Nations knew this. This was why I'd argue the NHS was even given the go-ahead in the first place: the alternative was worse.
The NHS was never meant to be a permanent fixture, at least its initial incarnation was never meant to be. The flaws were not as evident in its early years because the UK's population had yet to grow to what it is now: 64,000,000 as of the 2016 census. Now that the NHS has 64,000,000 entitled users it is badly cracking under the strain and no manner of increased government funding or tax increases will resolve it. The issue here is population putting strain on state-run services. If the NHS cannot cope with 64,000,000 people using it how on earth do American socialists think that a US equivalent can support 318,000,000 people?
Strangely enough the best compromise I have found; ensuring proper healthcare while limiting the strain and input of the state can be found in New Zealand.
https://www.theguardian.com/healthcare-network/2014/oct/21/nhs-learn-new-zealand-healthcare-system
Quote: As the British government grapples with its current round of reforms to the NHS, it could be useful to consider examples from elsewhere to help inform the change process and its underlying goals.
The distant shores of New Zealand, which has a broadly similar healthcare system to Britain’s, provides some lessons. New Zealand has a slightly longer history in working towards creating a national health system, having embarked just over 75 years ago on such a process via the landmark Social Security Act 1938.
The visionary principles laid down at the time were that healthcare access should be universal and free from financial and other barriers, that all New Zealanders should have equal access to the same standard of treatment, and that the health system should be integrated and preventive rather than curative in focus. Indeed, these principles are close to what many of the world’s policymakers aspire to today.
New Zealand, however, deviated from the 1938 principles through policy compromises in the implementation process. These compromises were mostly to ensure support at the time from the powerful medical lobby. They meant that New Zealand has since developed a dual health system with those able to pay, or those with insurance, guaranteed quicker access to specialist care provided in the private sector.
Such care is provided by the same specialists holding joint appointments in public hospitals where thresholds to get on comparatively long waiting lists are often much higher. Levels of unmet healthcare need are unclear, as patients either wait until their condition worsens to warrant public sector treatment or find the money to pay to see a private specialist.
New Zealand’s comparatively high GP part-charges (up to £25) also pose an access barrier, especially to the less well off (public hospitals are free). A public-private mix with GPs (mostly private) and hospitals (mostly public) has meant integration has largely been an aspirational goal, while hospitals and personal health services have continued to dominate at the expense of preventive services.
Over the years, New Zealand governments have experimented with health system designs aimed at promoting competition, national equity and democratic governance.
Virtually every organisational and funding model has been tried. The most recent model – alliancing – provides hope that the 1938 goals may be rejuvenated.
Derived from large construction projects, alliancing requires that all providers in a region work collaboratively within a whole system approach to ensure that services are designed with what is best for patients and the public in mind. Alliances tend to include public hospitals and associated services, primary healthcare services (including GPs), and other services an alliance agrees will be pivotal to service planning and provision in the region.
Alliance members, a mix of clinical leaders and senior management, sign a charter which binds them to building trust in one another, focusing on the whole system, not the specific interests of the sector they may work for, and agreeing to help one another to achieve alliance goals.
These goals include redesigning services considered to be an alliance priority, such as integrated services for older people with chronic care needs, or access to GP-referred specialist services (which an alliance may decide should be provided in primary care settings rather than hospitals). Underpinning all decision making is a first principle of what the system should look like from the patient perspective. Very importantly, equity, access, integration and prevention – core goals from 1938 – are the overarching goals as they make sense to patients and professionals.
Alliancing provides a different incentive set from the current clinical commissioning group (CCG) model in the English NHS, yet GPs are at the heart of New Zealand’s current arrangements. The model could be useful for visionary CCGs to embrace if basic NHS principles of equity and universal access are to be protected.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-03-12 10:47:14
We all know that there are many things the government tries to do and fails. It seems growing pot is one of them.
Scientists say the government’s only pot farm has moldy samples — and no federal testing standards
PBS Newshour
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Quote: Sue Sisley, a primary care physician in Scottsdale, Arizona, recalls the moment she picked up the carefully wrapped package fresh from the delivery truck. Nearly two years after Sisley and her colleagues were awarded a grant to study marijuana as a treatment for 76 military veterans suffering from chronic post-traumatic stress disorder, her shipment of the drug was finally in hand.
But minutes later, as she opened the packets to weigh the drug – as required by the federal Drug Enforcement Administration – her enthusiasm turned to dismay. It didn’t look like marijuana. Most of it looked like green talcum powder.
“It didn’t resemble cannabis. It didn’t smell like cannabis,” Sisley says. What’s more, laboratory testing found that some of the samples were contaminated with mold, while others didn’t match the chemical potency Sisley had requested for the study.
There’s only one source of marijuana for clinical research in the United States. And “they weren’t able to produce what we were asking for,” Sisley says....
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-03-12 10:51:41
King, I didn't say he had to show us his tax returns, I said I wanted to see them.
Ruaumoko, the ACA was based on Massachusetts' health plan, which was broadly modeled on Heritage Foundation studies. No idea where they looked for examples, but I rather doubt it was your NHS.
By Shiva.Shruiken 2017-03-12 11:25:59
He may not be required by law to release his tax returns, but every presidential candidate in the past four decades (with the exception of Gerald Ford, who released tax summary data) has. At least we're all aware that breaking with precedent is nothing new or surprising for Trump's campaign and administration.
Do I think there's something illegal in them? Nah. I don't think he's released them because his wealth and business acumen were one of his main selling points during the campaign. At his Comedy Central Roast, you could joke about his hair, his weight, his wives, him wanting to *** his own daughter... the only jokes that were off limits were "any joke that suggests Trump is not actually as wealthy as he claims to be."
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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