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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-03-09 10:36:48
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One can't have their wires tapped while not be directly under investigation?

Or have libs just given up trying anymore?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-09 10:37:28
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
And you are an evil socialist if you want "free" healthcare and education. (I'm well aware it's not really free).
You are one of the few who do understand it. Fine, we get it, you think that all education should be free. Now why don't you tell the teachers and their unions that they shouldn't deserve to be paid for their work, in order to help with that "free" education.

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In the case of Gay Marriage / Woman's Rights, you can't really expect them to be happy and not call other names if you remove or plan on removing rights they fought for and earned.
Nobody is removing or plan on removing their rights.

But you cannot force somebody who chooses to not to be a part of their celebration to participate. And if you do say that they are required to do so, then don't complain when you are forced to participate in an event you strongly disagree with.

Bakers and florists have the right to not participate in events they choose not to. The couple in question can always find somebody else to participate.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-09 10:47:09
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White House says Trump wasn’t target of investigation, despite prior claims implying otherwise
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The White House on Wednesday said that President Trump was not the target of any investigation, even though five days earlier he claimed in a series of tweets that he had indeed been the target of a wiretap initiated by former President Barack Obama.

“There is no reason that we should — that we have to think that the President is the target of any investigation whatsoever,” White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer said during his daily briefing with reporters.

Spicer’s comments came several minutes after he had first implied that the White House was unsure whether the president was a target or not.

Responding to a reporter’s question asking if the president was the “target of a counter-intelligence investigation,” Spicer initially said, “I think that’s what we need to find out. There’s obviously a lot of concern.”

But apparently, that wasn’t the final answer.

At the end of the briefing, Spicer was handed a sheet of paper by an aide, from which he read the aforementioned assertion that the White House had no reason to believe the current commander in chief was a target of an investigation.

In the aftermath of Trump’s initial comments regarding wiretapping, the White House suggested that Congress should look into the matter.

Last Thursday, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina) and Sheldon White House (D-Rhode Island) sent a letter to the Justice Department asking for any information regarding Trump’s wiretapping claims.

“We request that the Department of Justice provide us copies of any warrant applications and court orders — redacted as necessary to protect intelligence sources and methods that may be compromised by disclosure, and to protect any ongoing investigations — related to wiretaps of President Trump, the Trump Campaign, or Trump Tower,” the letter read.

“All I can say is that the country needs an answer to this,” Graham told CNN last Thursday. “The current President has accused the former President of basically wiretapping his campaign.”
You would figure that national media would be jumping all over this.

However:

Nothing on MSN (Only story about Spicer is House Chair telling him to STFU on Obamacare).
Nothing on CNN (Story about Pence dodging question about the wiretap, but not anything close to what you show)
Nothing on Fox News.
Nothing on Reuters.
Nothing on RCP (which has sources from everyone).

I'm calling this a *** story.
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By Viciouss 2017-03-09 11:05:50
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There is a daily transcript of every press briefing. Its at the end.

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So with that, one last thing, just to clarify. I think Jill asked this, but I just want to be really clear on one point, which is, there is no reason that we should -- that we have to think that the President is the target of any investigation whatsoever. I’m sorry, that was Margaret. I apologize.

Q Specifically counterintelligence.

MR. SPICER: Right, and there is no reason to believe that he is the target of any investigation. I think that’s a very important point to make, and so --

Q So retract your previous --

MR. SPICER: No, no, no. It doesn’t -- what I’m saying is -- hold on. The one question dealt with whether or not the tweet dealt with wiretaps during the thing, the other is an investigation. They are two separate issues, and there is no reason to believe that there is any type of investigation with respect to the Department of Justice.

I'm sure he will try to clarify today, on quite a few things.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-09 11:21:08
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Viciouss said: »
There is a daily transcript of every press briefing. Its at the end.

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So with that, one last thing, just to clarify. I think Jill asked this, but I just want to be really clear on one point, which is, there is no reason that we should -- that we have to think that the President is the target of any investigation whatsoever. I’m sorry, that was Margaret. I apologize.

Q Specifically counterintelligence.

MR. SPICER: Right, and there is no reason to believe that he is the target of any investigation. I think that’s a very important point to make, and so --

Q So retract your previous --

MR. SPICER: No, no, no. It doesn’t -- what I’m saying is -- hold on. The one question dealt with whether or not the tweet dealt with wiretaps during the thing, the other is an investigation. They are two separate issues, and there is no reason to believe that there is any type of investigation with respect to the Department of Justice.

I'm sure he will try to clarify today, on quite a few things.
In other words, the source from Portland is:



Which, in a surprise twist, the mainstream media isn't doing the same by reporting facts I don't like, or "alternative facts."

I guess they got the message about their lack of journalistic integrity. Too bad that they lost it so much that it's going to take them years, even decades, before they earn it back and earn back the public trust.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-03-09 11:30:19
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I'm going to assume that the other half are birthed by the lizard people.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-09 11:48:19
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »


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I'm going to assume that the other half are birthed by the lizard people.
Or that the other half that is "birthed" are men (obviously) and therefor, below contempt. Also guilty of treason of being male.
 
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2017-03-09 12:39:39
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »


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I'm going to assume that the other half are birthed by the lizard people.
Or that the other half that is "birthed" are men (obviously) and therefor, below contempt. Also guilty of treason of being male.
im just starting to feel bad for you man...
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-09 12:43:28
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
Free education doesn't mean teachers not being paid, in my opinion, most of them aren't paid nearly enough for the amount of work they have and how much ***they get from everyone, but that's another issue.
I know that. But you honestly think that, with local/state/national budgets for education as they are now, by adding on colleges on top of that, that the teachers who are currently in public school are going to get any sort of benefits from this?

And now you are adding a shitton of more teachers/professors/administrators into the system, that they are all going to be paid accordingly?

You are looking at least a 25% drop in wages, possibly more, and that's not including the huge *** increases in local/state/national taxes to cover even the +25% drop of wages.

Might as well ask some teachers to teach for free so others can be paid.

Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
Secondly, this thing about the baker/florist pop here and there but about half of the states have laws against discrimination when providing services, that's just the law being applied. They are free to complain about it and others are free to complain about them complaining.
There are also laws protecting the right to refuse business. Guess what? Both of those laws are in conflict with each other.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2017-03-09 12:49:42
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
I'm going to assume that the other half are birthed by the lizard people.
Negative. Asexual budding.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-09 12:59:11
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
I'm going to assume that the other half are birthed by the lizard people.
Negative. Asexual budding.
Eugenics!

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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-09 13:06:30
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
I don't really want to get into numbers, but if it's that easy for Trump to add 60 billions in military spending, when you are already spending about 50% of the world total military budget, then I'm sure it's possible to do something about free education.
Except it's not easy.

Trump doesn't know how to budget. He knows how to read one, but he doesn't know how to create one.

So, don't take his "60 billion" or "1 trillion" to heart, because it's not feasible.



Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
They really aren't in conflict, the right to refuse business doesn't apply to race, color, religion or national origin. It's mostly reserved for things like hygiene and security. For example, restaurants can refuse service if you are dirty or are not wearing shoes, but they can't refuse you because you are gay or black.
Which you have to prove that they refused you because you are gay.

You also have the right to refuse your services because of your religion. Or your political stance.

Now, if you really want to play that card, then let me ask you this: Do you agree with all these people boycotting Ivanka Trump's products because her father is PotUS?
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2017-03-09 13:15:12
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Why is the cake thing still up for debate? The Colorado bakery who sued lost their appeal and SCOTUS doesn't want to hear it. No need to make up rights the courts have iterated you don't have.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2017-03-09 13:17:14
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Correction: SCOTUS hasn't denied that particular case but they have denied similar ones. Point still stands.
 
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-09 13:30:50
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
I believe that's false, I'd need some very solid examples proving me wrong.
Here you go

Mind you, not every state has such laws. But there are laws that allow it. Also, there is talk about Trump proposing said law on the federal level.

Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
Unrelated, people aren't providing service to Ivanka by buying her products. To answer your question, no I don't support hurting her business because people hate her father, but boycotting it is their right so they can do whatever they want my opinion doesn't matter.

Then why is it so bad to boycott an event that SJWs deemed to be compulsory? Like gay weddings?

A business owner has the right to refuse service to anyone as long as it doesn't discriminate against the "protected class." However, that doesn't mean that the business owner has to participate in such events if they choose not to.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-09 13:31:50
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Besides, why would any couple want to go to a business that wouldn't give them the best the business can give them?

I mean, it's stupid to demand that a business partakes in their celebration when the business owner doesn't want to be involved.
 
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-03-09 14:02:03
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The NYT just changed their archived Jan 20 news headline which included "wiretapped" to "surveiled".

Libs are revising history in real time.
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By Viciouss 2017-03-09 14:12:37
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
The NYT just changed their archived Jan 20 news headline which included "wiretapped" to "surveiled".

Isn't it common practice to update news article? It's standard here.

It is here too. Nausi just saw some alt-right headline and felt like sharing.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-09 14:17:35
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
Exactly, we agree here, it's the law being applied correctly for those states.
Most states in the US have those laws. Which is why having a federal law is plausible for this.

Although, to be honest, I wouldn't want to see. Because, honestly, the federal government shouldn't force social laws down people's throats like this. Sure, sometimes you have to (Civil Rights and all that), but this isn't like that.

Federal government should only be involved in defense and interstate commerce. Let the citizens in the state determine what laws are in that state only in regards to civil issues.

Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
It's not just refusing to bake a cake. Sure, that doesn't look like a big deal, but then what if the grocery store refuses them ... then banks ... then schools ... then hospitals. It's a standard they have to follow. They aren't actively participating in those events, they just have to provide the service they would provide to anyone else.
I'm sure you understand the difference between sole proprietorship and/or "Mom 'n Pop Shops", vs. banks and public service companies.

You know, the local bakery vs. Bank of America.

It's not like gay couples have only one bakery or florist to go to. They are just as bad as those who force their ideas that marriage is only between a man and a woman.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-03-09 14:23:35
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
White House says Trump wasn’t target of investigation, despite prior claims implying otherwise
You would figure that national media would be jumping all over this.

However:

Nothing on MSN (Only story about Spicer is House Chair telling him to STFU on Obamacare).
Nothing on CNN (Story about Pence dodging question about the wiretap, but not anything close to what you show)
Nothing on Fox News.
Nothing on Reuters.
Nothing on RCP (which has sources from everyone).

I'm calling this a *** story.[/quote]
As I cruised the news this morning I also noticed the lack of this story anywhere else.

Suspicious myself.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-09 14:25:03
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Viciouss said: »
Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
The NYT just changed their archived Jan 20 news headline which included "wiretapped" to "surveiled".

Isn't it common practice to update news article? It's standard here.

It is here too. Nausi just saw some alt-right headline and felt like sharing.
Except that the NYTs actually went on record to state that Trump was wiretapped.

You cannot revise your own headlines when it suits you politically.

Besides, if you are going to make a correction, you generally post it on the corrections page. Even wording corrections are placed here.

Except they didn't do that. They are whitewashing history.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-09 14:26:25
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Garuda.Chanti said: »
White House says Trump wasn’t target of investigation, despite prior claims implying otherwise
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The White House on Wednesday said that President Trump was not the target of any investigation, even though five days earlier he claimed in a series of tweets that he had indeed been the target of a wiretap initiated by former President Barack Obama.

“There is no reason that we should — that we have to think that the President is the target of any investigation whatsoever,” White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer said during his daily briefing with reporters.

Spicer’s comments came several minutes after he had first implied that the White House was unsure whether the president was a target or not.

Responding to a reporter’s question asking if the president was the “target of a counter-intelligence investigation,” Spicer initially said, “I think that’s what we need to find out. There’s obviously a lot of concern.”

But apparently, that wasn’t the final answer.

At the end of the briefing, Spicer was handed a sheet of paper by an aide, from which he read the aforementioned assertion that the White House had no reason to believe the current commander in chief was a target of an investigation.

In the aftermath of Trump’s initial comments regarding wiretapping, the White House suggested that Congress should look into the matter.

Last Thursday, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina) and Sheldon White House (D-Rhode Island) sent a letter to the Justice Department asking for any information regarding Trump’s wiretapping claims.

“We request that the Department of Justice provide us copies of any warrant applications and court orders — redacted as necessary to protect intelligence sources and methods that may be compromised by disclosure, and to protect any ongoing investigations — related to wiretaps of President Trump, the Trump Campaign, or Trump Tower,” the letter read.

“All I can say is that the country needs an answer to this,” Graham told CNN last Thursday. “The current President has accused the former President of basically wiretapping his campaign.”
You would figure that national media would be jumping all over this.

However:

Nothing on MSN (Only story about Spicer is House Chair telling him to STFU on Obamacare).
Nothing on CNN (Story about Pence dodging question about the wiretap, but not anything close to what you show)
Nothing on Fox News.
Nothing on Reuters.
Nothing on RCP (which has sources from everyone).

I'm calling this a *** story.
As I cruised the news this morning I also noticed the lack of this story anywhere else.

Suspicious myself.
A) Spoilers are broken here. I blame Rooks.

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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-03-09 14:28:56
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
Secondly, this thing about the baker/florist pop here and there but about half of the states have laws against discrimination when providing services, that's just the law being applied. They are free to complain about it and others are free to complain about them complaining.
There are also laws protecting the right to refuse business. Guess what? Both of those laws are in conflict with each other.
We are talking about people who are stupid enough to say exactly why they are denying services.

"We don't serve gays" is just as discriminatory as "no Irish need apply."
 
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-09 14:35:37
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
Secondly, this thing about the baker/florist pop here and there but about half of the states have laws against discrimination when providing services, that's just the law being applied. They are free to complain about it and others are free to complain about them complaining.
There are also laws protecting the right to refuse business. Guess what? Both of those laws are in conflict with each other.
We are talking about people who are stupid enough to say exactly why they are denying services.

"We don't serve gays" is just as discriminatory as "no Irish need apply."
Well, if they are stupid enough to say that, then they deserve to be sued for discrimination.

I'm not going to defend those people.

However, that still doesn't give people the right to force people into events, even when they aren't discriminating against them, but cannot in good faith provide a service due to religious purposes.
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