Random Arguments & Strawmen #15

You're really just oblivious. You keep saying you're not generalizing all liberals, but it's okay to generalize all liberals because these prominent liberals said this.

Even though you make fun of, mock, insult, and bemoan some people stating that everyone on the right is racist/etc. even though there are clear examples of racism and the like in the alt-right movement.

Okay, well, at least I know what we're working with now.

Do you know what strawman argument is?


Simple wiki definition:



Initial statement by you:


Analysis - Bulks all liberals into the same category of people who would call him Deplorable.

His reply:


Analysis - Statement calling out the hypocrisy of the statement

For reference "deplorable":


To explain further: Your statement was condemning all Liberals for calling all Conservatives deplorable.


Next up your reply:


Analysis - What does this have to do with the last argument presented. How does this even address to hypocrisy of your statement or try to refute it? This is effectively a Red Herring.


Which if you need the definition:


Now for his argument that you called a strawman:


He is actually trying to stay on topic and completely ignores your red herring. Even if the argument had anything to do with the jumbled up statement you made before his logical fallacy would have been "missing the point", either way - not a strawman.

I was talking about the alt-right. I did not deny that these same types exist elsewhere. I was stating that the alt-right is both broad and inclusive.

I'm not generalizing all liberals, I'm stating what the liberal message is!

Just like you cannot generalize all conservatives because a very few people call themselves "alt-right" are supporting neo-nazi rhetoric.

Or is that what you really intend on doing?

There are racism, but it's not on one side of the coin. Racism exists everywhere, and are just as prevalent in Harlem as it is in Martha's Vineyard.

Racism is not a predominantly "white" thing. Sexism is not a predominantly "male" thing. Xenophobic tendencies is not a "redneck" thing.

Instead of placing blame on a political group for something that they really cannot control, how about attacking the problem at it's source? And no, the source is not the GOP.

especially when you live in canada...you should move to a real country you can be proud of.

You're ascribing a thought (mindset, opinion, belief, whatever) to all liberals.

You're wrong to do so, just like those who do share those beliefs that all people on the right are evil vile bigoted racist homophobes/etc.

"Liberal" does not equate to "Being in lockstep with the DNC."

Just as "being a Republican" does not mean, in any way, being in lockstep with the closed-minded portion of the alt-right. Even being alt-right doesn't necessarily mean being in lockstep with that portion of the alt-right.

But you're doing exactly what you're lamenting: stating one specific message applies and is believed by everyone who leans one direction or another. In this case left.

Liberals don't have to agree with the democratic platform, they are just more likely too. Same goes with conservatives.

Which is really what appeals about Donald Trump, isn't it?

Bringing back that postwar feeling of patriotism and achievement before hippies and the like *** it all up!

And neither platform inherently calls for any sort of divisiveness, despite what some on opposing sides would have you believe.

I'm calling for divisiveness this unity *** doesn't stand a chance !

I'm using the liberals own words. How they want to represent their group is their problem, not mine.

And yet, you are deflecting it as an attack on my argument for stating what the liberals stated themselves.

Why won't you get that? I'm not assuming that they said it. They actually said it.

Strange, I didn't say "democrats" at all, did I? All I said was "liberals," or what you can now consider is the new "Alt-Left."

Who the *** is "they?"

Are "liberals" a narrowly defined group now with one mouthpiece speaking for everyone?

And, follow-up question, is that mouthpiece Slate's editorial board?

By this same argument you could say that Conservatives think all Liberals are communists but that isn't true is it?

Who is they this is they:

Your joke aside, those are two people who are in no way in agreement on all topics and is actually very indicative of the point I'm trying to make here!

And yet another follow-up question, what is my exact mental disorder that I care about discussing any of this on a Final Fantasy XI message board!?

The point is all liberals are the same if we individualism them how can we defeat them ?

If we don't destroy the liberals they will multiple rapidly and try to take over the world !

BUT THEY'RE THE ONES HAVING ABORTIONS.

Paranoid schizophrenic with a touch of bi polar !

No because the current narrative is that liberals are the paradoxical amalgam of Communist Fascist Socialists.

Everyone knows people like about having an abortion cause of shame ! So those reports you are reading are exaggerated.

people lie *

BUT WHO'S DOIN THE RAPING!