Random Arguments & Strawmen #15

But do it legally or he'll deport you and build a wall between us and Italy.

That's only if Italy refuses to take her back.

Naw, he would just deport her to the most inhumane society in the face of the world.

He would deport her to Canada!

Yeah....and I agree with a lot of what she wrote. She is mostly correct here.


Special subsidies distort the market and create barriers to entry.

How is offering broad across the board tax relief "crony capitalism"?

Just curious.

It is neither broad nor across the board.

But I wouldn't call it crony capitalism either. Favoritism perhaps.

How is a tax break for one corporation billed to the taxpayer "tax relief?" Carrier was paid to keep a small amount of jobs in the US, while still moving more jobs overseas. Sends a clear message to other companies, go up against Trump and you will win.

Meanwhile, while the Left is looking at saving jobs in the most negative light possible, hundreds of people are thrilled that they get to keep their jobs and the media will be still be confused in 2020 when Trump wins the Rust Belt again.

I had no idea Sarah Palin represented the Left now.

Congrats, you got a couple extra voices (of people you don't like anyway) to join in the outrage.

I'm starting to think Trump really is a plant for the "establishment" to come in with zero experience, appoint a bunch of outliers/other inexperienced people, and *** everything up so the establishment two-party system can ride in on their white horse and go "See? You thought you didn't want us. Silly children, we'll fix this for you now."

Lowering the tax burden of corporations and businesses across the board is indeed correctly characterized as "relief".

> tax burden

> "relief"

I see...

Too much redditing today.

We don't need any more fedora warriors in here!

As long as we don't compare the number jobs saved by Trumps Carrier bailout to Obama's Auto Industry bailout...

While it's great for the people at the plant that got to keep their jobs this holiday season the majority of the plant employees are S.O.L this holiday. The one saving grace is they are offering a plan for those employees to return to school in order to upgrade their skill sets for the 21st century. However the qualifiers for the program are somewhat stringent. Given the age of the majority of employees let go; one could speculate they may not be too interested in recouping their skills for a new job a year or two from now.

Wrong.


Aside from that, it's not Trump's fault that Carrier is still shipping jobs overseas. But I'm missing the point. It doesn't matter that 800 people got to keep their jobs because we still have to find a way to paint this as a failure.

It also isn't Trumps fault that some of the jobs are staying. This whole debate is stupid because Trump didn't do jack.

Whatever your government is planning I hope you're all ready cause the next economic crisis will be next year and it will be way worse than 2008. It's gonna start from right here in Italy.

Hold your domino tiles tight.

Nonono this is horseshit.

Trump got elected and campaigned on what he campaigned on.

He wants lower taxes for businesses. This is the carrot, and he trade tariffs are the stick.

You linked the wrong article to your quote and the article you did link, shut down anything you have to say on the matter.

Also only 500 of the 800 are actual plant jobs. The other 300 are executive and administrative.


Nice try and way to miss the point and continue with the petulant attitude we've all come to enjoy here.

Does have to do with the PM resigning?

Why did he resign and how is going to effect my video game purchasing power?

Thanks for telling me what your post was about at the start, I was afraid I was going to have to read all three lines.

The Correct Article

At any rate, the point is that people are going out of their way to bemoan Trump for acting on a campaign promise and saving hundreds of jobs. It sent a message to the people that matter, the people who won him the election in rust belt states. Whining that some jobs are going anyway (jobs that you didn't care about in the first place) and wildly speculating about what the negative implications will be when it's literally just been one company so far seems counterproductive.

It's pittance with respect to what is truly required to "Make America Great Again".

Need monumental public works projects akin to Roosevelt, need projects for updating the Eisenhower infrastructure systems. Also, need to utilize domestic resources, factories and businesses without outsourcing in order to benefit everyone.

What we don't need is a big talker who begs companies to not leave with what is essentially a bribe that only negotiates a 25% retention of the jobs on the table.

It's not bemoaning so much as it's this isn't backing up the Trump talk we heard so much on the campaign trail.

Much like; "I never settle court cases." /gets elected and then settles for 25million.

We should break the new mods in by discussing abortion... or vaccines...

Which other companies within Carrier's market is getting the same tax breaks/grants?

I also wouldn't call it crony capitalism. It is more of the same on individual businesses getting special considerations and individual benefits packages for threatening to fire employees or leave a state.

Yesterday's referendum was about changing various articles in our constitution to make our political system more stable(right now it's famous for being a clusterfuck in constant gridlock) and reduce its costs. However - and Renzi himself is at fault too here - it turned out into a vote about the current government and as you would expect, in a country that has not recovered since the 2008 crisis and is as depressed as a teenager, the vote turned into one of protest against the government that is taking all the blame. Hardly anyone even knew what was trying to change in the constitution.
And since the population gave a *** you to Renzi personally, he basically gave a *** you too in return and resigned(you don't want my reforms then it's not my place to be here).

NOW..Renzi resigning means there will be elections soon and right now the party with the biggest momentum is the Five Stars Movement(M5S) which is a populist party that is all over the place in the political spectrum, but basically they just block everything that ever enters the parliament kicking and screaming. But most importantly(leaving aside the many reasons why I despise their leader)the first thing these guys would do if they went into power would be to leave the EU and the €.
If Italy leaves the euro there is a very very very high chance many of our banks would go belly up(our banks are the most indebted in the world and on the brink of collapse as it is already).
Now, if Italy alone doesn't do it, our dropout would make other countries leave too, bringing even further economic chaos. Deutsche Bank is the next up. Then come Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan, etc...

It's a domino effect that we can trigger that could seriously *** up many many people all over the world, not just us here. You're welcome.

Why is the bolded assumption being made?

Let's be fair. It's presuming a bit much. Just because someone opposes Trump's methods doesn't mean they want to see the jobs go away. And just because you think their ideas about the terms on which those jobs should stay are incorrect/long-term problematic doesn't automatically mean they don't care about those jobs.