Random Arguments & Strawmen #15

they are instead crying for more, stronger, and radical divides than ever before.

(Newser) – Presidential election recount efforts in Wisconsin and Michigan are hitting roadblocks, the AP reports. Trump supporters have filed a federal lawsuit and a request for a temporary restraining order in an attempt to block the Wisconsin recount effort, arguing that the recount, which started Thursday, threatens the due process rights of Trump voters. The lawsuit also argues that since Dec. 13 is the deadline, election officials will probably make mistakes.

Meanwhile, in Michigan, the state's attorney general has asked the state Supreme Court to block a potential recount there. Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein requested the recount in both states, and Michigan's AG argues that she has no right to do so because there's no way she would have won the state even if the votes were miscounted. Stein also hopes to get a recount in Pennsylvania.

“Voters don’t choose between politicians based on policy stances; rather, voters appear to adopt the policies that their favorite politicians prefer.”

The argument is that policy isn't a deal breaker. Hillary had more defined policies but that didn't matter because people didn't like her.

Any guesses on how many seats they will lose in 2018?

Any guesses on how many seats they will lose in 2018?

Any guesses on how many seats they will lose in 2018?

In theory shouldn't democrats now feel more motivated to go out to vote for various things? Since you know, abstention didn't work out that well..

It's the "the candidate I'd rather have a beer with" theory...it's been around a long time...

I could enjoy spirits with almost anyone.

But hey, if you want to ignore the true purpose of the opinion piece as trying to scapegoat the reason they lost, by all means, go for it.

Question still stands:

Is "all of them" an option?

Not really.

Liberals still are brainwashing residents in the coastal cities and cities with Ivy league (or pretending-to-be) colleges.

But if they keep this up, even the "isles of blue" in the sea of red will be washed away. I wouldn't be surprised if San Antonio turns red next election, maybe even Dallas/Fort Worth or Houston.

Austin will still be blue, too many lobbyists and corruption in the state capital.

You could say that to almost anyone, especially if they are buying.

Those of us who don't drink wouldn't do it even if it's our most favored person in the world. At least, I wouldn't.

the exception that proves the rule.

The reasons for Dallas, San Antonio and Houston all being blue should be very obvious given their demographics. Austin is also a college town so it being blue make sense.

Also, the correct term is Democrats* still are brainwashing and to be fair Republicans are guilty of the same crime.

By the way: Are you saying that Republicans are brainwashing their voters, who, by admission of the liberal media, are brainless fools who don't understand the "liberal message"? How is that possible?

I'm not saying that they "shouldn't" be blue. I'm saying that I wouldn't be surprised if they turn red the next election cycle, if the current method of "ignoring the people" continues from the liberals.

Efforts Underway to Block Recounts in Wis., Mich.
Lawsuit filed in Wisconsin, attorney general seeks to block recount in Michigan

So what are they afraid of anyway?

Claiming Stein didn’t file the recount in good faith

Donald Trump backers have filed legal challenges in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan to stop the vote recounts being pushed by Green Party candidate Jill Stein.

Attorneys for Trump filed a complaint in Pennsylvania Thursday, arguing that Stein’s petition for a recount doesn’t state a valid claim and was not filed “in good faith, that the petitioners are not entitled to a recount and that the petitioners didn’t comply with the Election Code’s bonding requirement for bringing an election contest.

“Despite being no more than a blip on the electoral radar, Stein has now commandeered Pennsylvania’s electoral process, with an eye toward doing the same to the Electoral College,” the complaint says. “There is no evidence—or even an allegation—that any tampering with Pennsylvania’s voting systems actually occurred.”

Stein’s campaign manager David Cobb retaliated in a statement Friday, saying, “Donald Trump will do anything and everything to block Pennsylvania voters from knowing whether their votes counted. Why is he so worried about letting this recount move forward?

The Wisconsin challenge, filed by the Great America PAC, the Stop Hillary PAC and Ronald R. Johnson, a Wisconsin resident, argues that the recount violates the Supreme Court’s test for equal protection in the recount process established in Bush v Gore.

“Particularly in conjunction with other baseless recounts sought by a candidate who did not win a single presidential elector, [the Wisconsin recount] may unjustifiably cast doubt upon the legitimacy of President-Elect Donald J. Trump’s victory,” the court filing reads.

The Michigan challenge by Trump campaign lawyers argues that Stein was not “aggrieved” enough where any potential vote miscount would have cost her the election.

Stein crowdfunded the money needed for all three recounts on her website and had raised $6.8 million by Friday afternoon.

Trump won Wisconsin by about 22,000 votes, Pennsylvania by 64,000 votes and Michigan by 10,000 votes, according to a vote tally by the New York Times.

Well do you blame them Chanti? You have a green party member who won 1% of the vote, who is trying to play the "erh meh gerd meh verte ehntergrehtehhhh (integrity)" and it's very blunt only -1- person could benefit from this recount. I think that's flat out dirty, I think it should be illegal that they're blatantly working together, and if Hillary wanted a damn recount, SHE SHOULD'VE DONE IT HERSELF.

The fact that Trump is winning by over 10,000 to 20,000 in these states means she has almost a 0% chance of overturning those votes, but that's not her game. If the recounts aren't done before the time the Electoral College votes, then they don't get counted, and then Obama can use "The will of the people" card to make it where Hillary wins due to the popular vote. I don't doubt that this is the objective, why else would they be trying so ruthlessly to cockblock Trump?

This needs to end now, because it's only going to further kill the Democratic party, and leave a super nasty taste in everyone's mouth regarding the Green Party. This is absolutely disgraceful to our republic, and Hillary/Stein need to accept that Trump lost, otherwise Hillary is outright proving she's a hypocrite, and if Obama plays that card after the three states are stalled, then that'll be the end of the USA that we know and love, because that will OUTRAGE so many people to the point that we may actually have conservatives riot, and it'll be a lot uglier than what these college punks are doing.

Well do you blame them Chanti? You have a green party member who won 1% of the vote, who is trying to play the "erh meh gerd meh verte ehntergrehtehhhh (integrity)" and it's very blunt only -1- person could benefit from this recount. I think that's flat out dirty, I think it should be illegal that they're blatantly working together, and if Hillary wanted a damn recount, SHE SHOULD'VE DONE IT HERSELF.

The fact that Trump is winning by over 10,000 to 20,000 in these states means she has almost a 0% chance of overturning those votes, but that's not her game. If the recounts aren't done before the time the Electoral College votes, then they don't get counted, and then Obama can use "The will of the people" card to make it where Hillary wins due to the popular vote. I don't doubt that this is the objective, why else would they be trying so ruthlessly to cockblock Trump?

This needs to end now, because it's only going to further kill the Democratic party, and leave a super nasty taste in everyone's mouth regarding the Green Party. This is absolutely disgraceful to our republic, and Hillary/Stein need to accept that Trump lost, otherwise Hillary is outright proving she's a hypocrite, and if Obama plays that card after the three states are stalled, then that'll be the end of the USA that we know and love, because that will OUTRAGE so many people to the point that we may actually have conservatives riot, and it'll be a lot uglier than what these college punks are doing.

Is this statement supposed to be countering the idea that Republicans are brainwashing voters into voting for them?

They both do it to an extent. You'd have to be brainwashed by one to only admit that a single party does it.

Yes, I know and I'm implying that the reason why they are blue is the same reason as to why they will stay blue. Unless Dallas, Houston and San Antonio have some huge demographic changes they will always be blue.

I personally think all votes should be recounted every year, I mean this is just the president of the US we are talking about it can't hurt to double check the results right? Are you really going complain about double checking the results?