Helix / Helix II Question

Recently got my Helix II Unlocked however, when I casted it during CP Party it did same exact DMG as Helix and same DoT :(

Anybody can please explain in simple terms what is the benefit of having Helix II if DMG / DoT / Duration is exactly the same as Normal Helix

and on that, can anybody please post their Helix / Helix II Set

Helix SET:
ItemSet 347689

MB / Weather SET adds this :
ItemSet 347690

Usually hit Helix for 3-5 K MB for 8-9 K

Not sure if good or bad but those are my current #s

Should I Focus on M.ACC or MAB or M.DMG ? also confused about that one ><

It has a higher base damage than Tier 1. Also, never use Obi for either Tier 1 or Tier 2. Helix spells, as their in game description states, always gains full benefit from Day and Weather. So you can full-time an MAB waist.

So by adding this EXTRA Lines after 194 it would automatically read which element I am using or do I need to specify on .lua "LightHelix" and "DarkHelix" as a SET ?

Oh ok, otherwise, does this looks good ?

I noticed that on Crabs / Pugils

Helix was doing 6% / tick

and

Helix II was doing 6% / tick

So I was confused if they had any improvement or not.

Just tells gearswap to put on your helix gear if you cast helix 2

Ya I casted my Helix 2 in my FC Set for a long time wondering WTF till someone told me this LOL

Helices have a cap of 10,000 dmg per tock. Helix II spells don't break that cap.

So both cap at 10,000 dmg / tick ?

1 tick each 10 secs , correct ?

So by my understanding :

Helix / Helix II do DMG like a Elemental Magic Spell + DoT (Which CAP at 10,000 dmg / tick )

where Helix II has better Base DMG than Helix ?

Both duration are euqal
and DoT is Determined by ???

is it MAB or M.ACC or M.DMG ?

and also by adding this Additional Line :

Or do I need to Replace The Section with the code Above:



all I need to do is simply cast Helix / Helix II as I normally would and it will detect it is Darkness or Light based equipping the proper gear (Archon Ring / Pixie Hairpin +1)

Am I correct on all this assumptions ?

Mostly. DOT for both spells are equal in duration. DOT per tock is determined the exact same way, by your initial spell casts total damage. If your initial spell does 5000 damage, then your DOT will be 5000dmg/tock, no matter if it's Tier 1 or Tier 2.

And it for gearswap to equip element specific gear, you need to make element specific sets. Like
sets.midcast.helix for general use
sets.midcast.LightHelix for Light based
And sets.midcast.DarkHelix for Dark based

Then make sure to include your element specific gear, like Archon Ring and Pixie Hairpin +1

So I would replace on line 194

With:


Yes ?

That should be correct.

Thank you :)

Absolutely correct on not using Ele obis.
Small note on this, someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but in theory Helix should benefit more from INT (in terms of damage gained) than Mab. Of course there's a threshold somewhere when Mab becomes better than INT (like 10 mab is likely gonna be better than 2 INT lol) but if we're comparing 1:1 then INT should be better for Helix.
As such, Acuity Belt+1 should be the best or one of the best waist options for Helix, supposing you can survive without the macc that some waists provide (but don't forget that in theory INT indirectly provides a bit of macc as well)

As for the cape question, Ambuscade vs JSE.
If you're far from the 10k cap, if the fight won't last long or if the target has a chance to erase debuffs, then I suggest using Ambuscade cape.
In all other situations JSE one with Helix augment is gonna be better.



I have a question myself: what happens if Helix hits a monster during an absorb phase? I mean: if the initial hit gets absorbed?
I always assumed that when that happens, no dot gets applied, but some people lately are insisting that I'm wrong and that a "positive debuff" (that heals the monster every 10 seconds) is applied.
I don't think this is the case and I think this isn't the case with other debuffs like Bio and Dia either, but does anybody know who is right and who is wrong here?

Wow Good Question :O

and I was looking at somebody saying that Ambuscade mantle (INT+30 M.ACC+20/M.DMG+20 MAB+10) will do better dmg yes, however the JSE Mantle will add +20 duration which isn't 20 seconds but 20% more duration on the formula resulting in more DoT Over (Assuming you can cap at 10 K + ) [which I Can't at the moment]

I tested in Brenner with Liement, you absorb the initial damage and no status is applied. Taking 0 damage via One for All or Elemental Sforzo applied a DOT for 0 damage (probably less surprising).

That's assuming the mob lasts the full duration of helix. If not, then you're better off with higher damage.

Iirc, if the initial hit is applied and absorbed, then it still has the DoT debuff.... just that it pings for 0.

Another Advantage to use helix II is that Helix I won't overwrite it so you can land a monster II and keep immanence SCing with helix I without losing your monster helix II

ahhhh I see, that be nice thing indeed , ty for the info :)

I've heard conflicting things about this. Do you know where the proof of testing this is?

It's true. Helix T1 overwrites itself but not T2 helix and T2 Helix overwrites itself and T1 Helix.

I don't doubt this, I was just wondering if someone did official testing with this... I've heard mixed things from other SCH's. I've stopped using Helicies in my skill chains (except the ones where you can't like T2 Distortion, T1 Dark/Light) because of this. Would be nice to see some official testing done though.

I know this is true because I would put a huge helix on t1 reisen mobs and continue on making SC's with helix 1 and seeing big 6% "tocs" coming off the NM

Sweet !!!!!!!!!!!

Hello everyone.

I have a new question about helix II casting and MBing.
My Lua swaps casting modes from Normal > Mid > Resistant > MagicBurst etc. but my helix casts are only done in the original Lua's helix set, even though i also made Mid > Resistant > MagicBurst extensions for the helix castings. Does anyone have a suggestion or example how i can get my Lua to swap helix casting sets too?

It also took me a while to figure out why my Helix MB's where not using my obi for the MB but seing that they are not supposed to be used I understand why they are not factored in.
Does the same apply for the klimaform boots? are they useless too?

Greatly appreciate the help!

Klimaform boots are the best. helix does not automatically gain the boost from them.

for casting helix, does it swap for helix 1 and not helix 2, or is it both?

also, post your .lua so we can see it.

DO either tier helix overwrite eachother or is like T2 > T1 and casting a t1 when a t2 is on wont change the potency of the t2 already on (Dia/Bio2 vs Dia/bio)

Same tier Helix overwrite each other no matter what.
T2 always overwrites T1 no matter what.
T1 will never overwrite T2.