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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2016-09-11 11:25:13
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Hillary faints and has to get rushed out of the 911 Memorial after an hour and a half. Can they hide this decrepit woman's illness for two more months?
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2016-09-11 11:44:33
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I see nothing about fainting, just that she felt a bit overheated and had to take a break
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2016-09-11 11:54:32
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That's because you probably just checked CNN, the Clinton News Network.

But even so, thousands of people there on a 78 degree day. One gets rushed out, the one vying to be our leader in time of crisis.
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By eliroo 2016-09-11 11:57:29
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Video is in this link :

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/11/hillary-clinton-has-medical-episode-at-911-ceremony-source-says.html


Can we all admit her health needs to be brought into question now?
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-09-11 12:01:59
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I can get lightheaded too if it's hot and I'm in a crowd and I'm not even 30. Surely a 70 years old could have that problem too.

*rolls eyes* Don't latch to stupid things.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2016-09-11 12:03:57
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Video for anyone interested

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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2016-09-11 12:04:43
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
I can get lightheaded too if it's hot and I'm in a crowd and I'm not even 30. Surely a 70 years old could have that problem too.

*rolls eyes* Don't latch to stupid things.

Also has to move around a lot and talk to a lot of people, it happens
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By eliroo 2016-09-11 12:10:06
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
I can get lightheaded too if it's hot and I'm in a crowd and I'm not even 30. Surely a 70 years old could have that problem too.

*rolls eyes* Don't latch to stupid things.

Should watch the video before you talk. This is much more than getting light headed.

If you add this with all of the evidence that her health is deteriorating and you have a pretty strong argument that she isn't healthy enough to be the president.
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By Eboneezer 2016-09-11 12:14:38
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Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
That's because you probably just checked CNN, the Clinton News Network.

But even so, thousands of people there on a 78 degree day. One gets rushed out, the one vying to be our leader in time of crisis.

Let's be honest, old people are cold at 78 degrees. They'll probably spin it that she got emotional remembering some specific memory that happened on 9/11 and went to her daughter's house to deal with it and recover from such an emotional moment.
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By eliroo 2016-09-11 12:26:33
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Eboneezer said: »
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
That's because you probably just checked CNN, the Clinton News Network.

But even so, thousands of people there on a 78 degree day. One gets rushed out, the one vying to be our leader in time of crisis.

Let's be honest, old people are cold at 78 degrees. They'll probably spin it that she got emotional remembering some specific memory that happened on 9/11 and went to her daughter's house to deal with it and recover from such an emotional moment.

Why spin it when her staunch supporters will ignore/write off anything against here anyway?

I mean look at Pleebo, Hillary could kill an unarmed child and he would say it was for self defense.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-09-11 12:27:15
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eliroo said: »
This is much more than getting light headed.
When you get lightheaded you can't stand, and you can faint. I've fainted before due to heat/crowds. This is an old woman, I don't care about previous "signs" but this occurrence is completely justified.
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By Eboneezer 2016-09-11 12:42:05
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i have never seen Hillary in a crowd. She ropes the media away from her. I only see a few bodyguards around her at any time...unless you consider the people standing around her in the video to be a crowd. And if that's the case, I have some bad news for someone that might be the POTUS.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-09-11 13:35:37
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eliroo said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
I can get lightheaded too if it's hot and I'm in a crowd and I'm not even 30. Surely a 70 years old could have that problem too.

*rolls eyes* Don't latch to stupid things.

Should watch the video before you talk. This is much more than getting light headed.

If you add this with all of the evidence that her health is deteriorating and you have a pretty strong argument that she isn't healthy enough to be the president.
All the other evidence? Lol.

I'm glad all the YouTube MDs have shown up.
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By Jadey 2016-09-11 13:56:22
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Bismarck.Dracondria said: »
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Reminders when handling someone with heat stroke in sub-80 degree weather:

Do NOT remove their clothing (especially their jacket)

Do NOT have them sit down

Do NOT give them water or have someone fan them to help reduce their temperature

DO have three people load them into a van face first when they cannot stand or move under their own power

DO drive the patient 3.5 miles to her daughter's apartment through Manhattan traffic, do NOT drive the patient to any of the three hospitals closer to the memorial site

DO allow the patient to leave the apartment wearing the same amount of heavy clothing that caused the initial heatstroke later in the day, when the weather is warmer

DO allow the patient to travel an hour+ to her home in Chappaqua

Do NOT allow the media or any interested parties access to the patient
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By Jadey 2016-09-11 14:07:50
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Also, watch how calm and measured the agents were during that. No sign of panic, no shock, no surprise, just another day at the office. They've done this before, they know exactly what to do and how to stand to try and block off access and clear sight lines while her handlers dump her in the back like a slab of meat.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2016-09-11 14:08:12
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Jadey said: »
Do NOT remove their clothing (especially their jacket)

Do NOT have them sit down

Do NOT give them water or have someone fan them to help reduce their temperature

Likely did this in the car
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2016-09-11 14:09:12
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Jadey said: »
Also, watch how calm and measured the agents were during that. No sign of panic, no shock, no surprise, just another day at the office.

So they're professionals who can handle heatstroke?
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By Jadey 2016-09-11 14:13:48
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Bismarck.Dracondria said: »

Likely did this in the car

Don't take any of those steps immediately or during the ~5 minute walk from the memorial to the car. Wait until she's basically comatose and THEN start treatment.


Bismarck.Dracondria said: »
So they're professionals who can handle heatstroke?

I agree, they are professionals that are well experienced in handling Hillary's health incidents.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-09-11 14:14:22
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Jadey said: »
Also, watch how calm and measured the agents were during that. No sign of panic, no shock, no surprise, just another day at the office. They've done this before, they know exactly what to do and how to stand to try and block off access and clear sight lines while her handlers dump her in the back like a slab of meat.
They acted how the SS is supposed to act.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2016-09-11 14:24:52
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Jadey said: »
well experienced in handling Hillary's health incidents

Yes. Because they currently work for her
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-09-11 14:25:50
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Walking out of Chelsea's place in front of reporters before noon. Must have been super serious.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/09/11/clinton-falls-ill-during-911-memorial-service-in-new-york/
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-09-11 14:26:14
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So Clinton got overheated at the official 9/11 memorial.

Where was Trump?
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By Eboneezer 2016-09-11 14:36:41
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I see the YouTube MD's brought out the YouTube Secret Service members. You can pretend all you want, but if it were a heat related incident, they absolutely would have taken off her jacket and had her seated at the very least. EMTs are part of the SS detail, one of them would have been helping her while they waited on the vehicle. The fact that none of this happened only helps the thought that she has some other medical problem that she is trying to keep secret. She can blame it on the heat all she wants, but only the blindest of her followers will buy it. Please quit pretending like it was an oven out there. I wonder if they cancelled the Jets game due to the furnace?
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By Jadey 2016-09-11 14:43:31
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
So Clinton got overheated at the official 9/11 memorial.

Where was Trump?

50 feet from her when they were both at the memorial.

https://twitter.com/zgazda66/status/775017547787829248 - the camera pans to both Trump and Clinton in the shot around 0:11.

https://twitter.com/kevcirilli/status/774982404293427200 - Video of Trump, not suffering heatstroke in the oppressive 78 degree weather, leaving the memorial under his own power, speaking to the press and entering his SUV while wearing both of his shoes.

Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Walking out of Chelsea's place in front of reporters before noon. Must have been super serious.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/09/11/clinton-falls-ill-during-911-memorial-service-in-new-york/

I spoke with an RN in the family (a Hillary supporter) and asked her about both videos and while this is diagnosing at a distance, she thinks that if there was a heat issue it may have been as a result of a major dose of anti-seizure medication. Meds like Lamotrigine and Diazepam can make you hypersensitive to even mild temperatures, especially if you're also dehydrated or otherwise out of sorts. Two+ hours of fluids and other medicines can easily get someone strong enough to walk from the lobby to a waiting car.

Whether it's heatstroke or something more serious, it's an issue - not another 'vast right wing conspiracy' or whatever.
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-09-11 14:51:30
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Meds like Lamotrigine and Diazepam can make you hypersensitive to even mild temperatures
This is true for various meds. Pain meds, ADD meds, etc.

I've taken Percocet after hurting my back and went to work, after about 30-45 minutes of bucketing concrete into a pier about 10 feet tall, I found myself laying on the ground, about to pass out.

I'm sure Hillary is on some sort of meds and I could see that as a plausible reason for her overheating but it doesn't necessarily mean she's in bad enough health to deny her candidacy.
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By eliroo 2016-09-11 14:55:51
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78 degrees or Heatstroke, pick one.
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-09-11 14:59:45
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eliroo said: »
78 degrees or Heatstroke, pick one.
I've overheated with temperatures in the 40's due to meds.
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By Eboneezer 2016-09-11 15:05:47
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I'm sure Hillary is on some sort of meds and I could see that as a plausible reason for her overheating but it doesn't necessarily mean she's in bad enough health to deny her candidacy.
While I agree, I think now would be a good time to come clean to the public about her health. If she keeps saying that nothing is wrong, and more and more fits happen in public, then I have to assume she's keeping it a secret for a reason. I already feel like her campaign strategy is to hide her the best that they can from the public, whether it be health issues or scandals. Through October, she's scheduled to be on the Ellen show and have a rally in Nevada on the same day, then the debates. All of the other events on her schedule have other people speaking for her. Trump is giving 6 scheduled speeches in 6 states just this week.
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-09-11 15:19:06
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Anna Ruthven said: »
I'm sure Hillary is on some sort of meds and I could see that as a plausible reason for her overheating but it doesn't necessarily mean she's in bad enough health to deny her candidacy.
While I agree, I think now would be a good time to come clean to the public about her health. If she keeps saying that nothing is wrong, and more and more fits happen in public, then I have to assume she's keeping it a secret for a reason. I already feel like her campaign strategy is to hide her the best that they can from the public, whether it be health issues or scandals. Through October, she's scheduled to be on the Ellen show and have a rally in Nevada on the same day, then the debates. All of the other events on her schedule have other people speaking for her. Trump is giving 6 scheduled speeches in 6 states just this week.
I'll agree that if something is wrong, she should be honest about it. Within reason, lol. I do remember someone posting a pic of her special glasses she wore for awhile. I forgot what they were for. Double vision in one eye or something. I forget what caused it.
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By Jadey 2016-09-11 15:41:05
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Anna Ruthven said: »
Jadey said: »
Meds like Lamotrigine and Diazepam can make you hypersensitive to even mild temperatures
This is true for various meds. Pain meds, ADD meds, etc.

I've taken Percocet after hurting my back and went to work, after about 30-45 minutes of bucketing concrete into a pier about 10 feet tall, I found myself laying on the ground, about to pass out.

Sure (and I'm certain you're younger) but there's a pretty big difference between doing heavy construction labor and standing idle at at a memorial service for about the same length of time. If this is even a marginally frequent occurrence, can Hillary be trusted to be sharp mentally and physically at any time, 24/7/365 for at minimum a 4 year period where her life-and-death snap decisions may be needed? This is the '3AM Phone Call' question she herself brought up regarding Obama's competence.

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I'm sure Hillary is on some sort of meds and I could see that as a plausible reason for her overheating but it doesn't necessarily mean she's in bad enough health to deny her candidacy.

If it were just one isolated incident I'd be willing to write it off, but it isn't.

- Any of a number of public coughing fits

- Her 'freeze' moment on stage where her handler had to help snap her back to the moment

- Her on-camera head jerks and 'short circuits' that many people believe are either seizures or symptoms of Parkinson's disease

- She keeps a very light schedule for a Presidential candidate, regularly taking days to weeks off to rest and many of her appearances are tightly controlled fundraisers and small venue events, contrasted by Trump's almost daily arena rallies and airport speeches despite being the older of the two candidates

- She takes Armor Thyroid (pig/cow thyroid extract) for her hypothyroidism, a drug that most people with that problem don't use because synthetic T4/T3 drugs are generally more effective and safer

- She's been taking blood thinners for nearly half a decade after her sinus thrombosis and concussion - and it's a blood thinner (warfarin) that isn't really used anymore because we have better, safer blood thinners available - and her Armor Thyroid can cause issues with clotting

- Everyone around her and in the media claiming all of the questions about her health were a conspiracy from nutjobs on the right-wing fringe - until today, and the only reason that stopped is because regular citizens happened to take those videos of her being loaded into the van. Do you have any question that if those videos hadn't surfaced, any talk of her being unable to stand under her own power or how she was removed from the site would be dismissed as yet another conspiracy theory?



If this is just a bunch of unrelated incidents that don't mean she's unwell or theoretically unable to perform the duties of the President over the next 4+ years, fine. But show it. The visual and audio evidence of her (even just the last week!) point to her having various health issues. If they're just allergies and heatstroke, put the public at ease. Don't head up to your residence and hide out for days or weeks - either get a new clean bill of health from a trusted independent source or come clean with the issues she has and explain why the public shouldn't worry that you might fall over dead doing what's basically the most stressful job on the planet.
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