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By Anna Ruthven 2016-08-22 21:39:02
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
I'm not going to bother if it's going to be ignored (Kojo) or...well...ignored (Pleebo).
I acknowledged it.
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By Sylph.Kawar 2016-08-22 21:53:28
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3-4 people died that could be saved

Nevermind the fact it was proven to be impossible to save them. Who cares about facts!
That is a lie and you should know it. More man power would of saved them We can drop bombs after bombs but we cant send in 1-2 seal teams and a delta to give support. Yes we could have but no help came when they could of gotten it 13 hours do not forget is a lot of time. Yes the support would be pushing it to get there but it could have been done.

I will grant you even if we had support there we have no 100% number that we would of lost no one but the chance we would of saved 1 out of the 4 or all 4 is still worth it. Rather then letting them stand off and hope they live.
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By Bloodrose 2016-08-22 21:56:38
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Sylph.Kawar said: »
Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
Sylph.Kawar said: »
3-4 people died that could be saved

Nevermind the fact it was proven to be impossible to save them. Who cares about facts!
That is a lie and you should know it. More man power would of saved them We can drop bombs after bombs but we cant send in 1-2 seal teams and a delta to give support. Yes we could have but no help came when they could of gotten it 13 hours do not forget is a lot of time. Yes the support would be pushing it to get there but it could have been done.

I will grant you even if we had support there we have no 100% number that we would of lost no one but the chance we would of saved 1 out of the 4 or all 4 is still worth it. Rather then letting them stand off and hope they live.
In line with that logic, by sending in additional teams (which takes time to plan and organize with extraction details), we could also have lost additional forces, and then she'd be blamed for that same folly.

Regardless of what *could have happened* because "what if" is a plausible scenario... *scoff*..., we deal with the reality of what *did* happen.
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By Sylph.Kawar 2016-08-22 21:57:04
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Siren.Lordgrim said: »
Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
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3-4 people died that could be saved

Nevermind the fact it was proven to be impossible to save them. Who cares about facts!


We could of and that's a fact. If we can operate a mission that violated Pakistani sovereignty to " get Osama bin Laden "once there was a tip off positive location.

You would be shitting your Canadian pants at how fast we can mobilize a United States military action response force. We have plenty of bases around Libya.

What we had happen in Benghazi was poor leadership that did not give a damn about Americans serving abroad.

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By Sylph.Kawar 2016-08-22 22:00:37
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eliroo said: »
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I'd rather that our country actually function properly.
Then you don't want Trump. Lol.

Fair argument but you also don't want Hillary.


So what do we do? FFXIAH Rally to re-elect new candidates for both parties?

This election would sit a lot better with me if it was Rand Paul vs. Bernie Sanders.
I think and i mean it we should redo the last year with new rules that hurt the rich and give a fair shot to everyone. but it wont happen to much dark money and money in general the DNC leaks showing every thing we had known was going on that the man who could of killed trumps spot in office was eaten up by the queens system.

also I want to be clear i use queen as a big joke.
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By Sylph.Kawar 2016-08-22 22:03:54
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Bloodrose said: »
Sylph.Kawar said: »
Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
Sylph.Kawar said: »
3-4 people died that could be saved

Nevermind the fact it was proven to be impossible to save them. Who cares about facts!
That is a lie and you should know it. More man power would of saved them We can drop bombs after bombs but we cant send in 1-2 seal teams and a delta to give support. Yes we could have but no help came when they could of gotten it 13 hours do not forget is a lot of time. Yes the support would be pushing it to get there but it could have been done.

I will grant you even if we had support there we have no 100% number that we would of lost no one but the chance we would of saved 1 out of the 4 or all 4 is still worth it. Rather then letting them stand off and hope they live.
In line with that logic, by sending in additional teams (which takes time to plan and organize with extraction details), we could also have lost additional forces, and then she'd be blamed for that same folly.

Regardless of what *could have happened* because "what if" is a plausible scenario... *scoff*..., we deal with the reality of what *did* happen.
I and I think everyone who learned what happened there would tell you trying to get them out was worth it. We did not need to lose 4 people we did watch the movie 13 hours that movie was greatly made with the feedback from the guys who were there down to the fact one of them was fighting and shooting with an arm that was barely on his body still.


all i am saying is we should of tryed to save them and not just leave them for dead.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-08-22 22:04:11
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
I'm not going to bother if it's going to be ignored (Kojo) or...well...ignored (Pleebo).
I read them. Of the topics with any real substance, nothing in the hacked emails showed any connection between Clinton and pay to play practices. And her aide disclosed the circumstances of her employment to the State department and it was authorized. Still nothing but it sounds soooooo scary so there's that.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-08-22 22:06:16
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If you're getting your history from a Michael Bay movie well... yeah
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By Bloodrose 2016-08-22 22:07:28
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
If you're getting your history from a Michael Bay movie well... yeah
not enough explosions to be a Michael Bay movie.
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By Bloodrose 2016-08-22 23:01:30
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While I don't endorse either candidate, I thought this was funny:

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By Mesic 2016-08-23 01:32:41
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I still think they should have put her *** on trial, just to punish her for that email ***being a huge security breach.

your not the only one who agrees with this.

Rand Paul calls for indictment of Hillary Clinton
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I, for one, cannot believe that someone from one party called for the imprisonment for the candidate of the opposing party. Something like this probably hasn't happened since the last election cycle. Combine this astonishment with the comparisons to Hitler and you got yourself your very first election.
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2016-08-23 02:40:29
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Although I cannot confirm if anyone has compared Hillary Clinton to Hitler other than perhaps her former staff workers.

I personally have compared the similarities between the National Socialist Workers Party ( NAZI) to both the Democrat and Republican establishment political parties on how they attained power and control for 184 years. Note the US is 240 year's old. The United States of America had 56 years of no political parties until much like what happened in Germany our government and nation was silently usurped from the American people by two dominate political factions. Although with there words they may sound diffrently, if you watch their hands at work they push the same agenda. Making the masses believe they have a choice in electing there own Dictators.

"There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution."

-- John Adams, Letter to Jonathan Jackson (2 October 1780), "The Works of John Adams", vol 9, p.511
 
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By Sylph.Shipp 2016-08-23 07:19:00
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This thread reminds me why I probably won't vote again this year. No point in wasting 3 hours to check off a poll about which pile of crap is more delicious when I can just eat a TV dinner at home for the same experience.

Seriously, we have a woman who is, at best, completely incompetent with national security up against a man who had gone bankrupt 7 times before his claim to fame and mainly tries to rouse the panick-stricken inbreds with his speeches. At least one of them seems genuine.
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By Sylph.Shipp 2016-08-23 07:24:33
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Anna Ruthven said: »
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Clinton, however, has shown her corruption.
Links?

I understand why you want links for the various claims made in here, but in this case it's like asking for proof that light exists.
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I think you forgot about the qualifiers. People didn't assume you were a dunce like that chick you tried to bang before making that comment.
 
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By eliroo 2016-08-23 07:40:48
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Seriously, we have a woman who is, at best, completely incompetent with national security up against a man who had gone bankrupt 7 times before his claim to fame and mainly tries to rouse the panick-stricken inbreds with his speeches. At least one of them seems genuine.

How do you compare someone at their best to someone at their worst?

At worst Hillary is not only a pathological liar but will also only make decision that benefit her and not the people around her. Once she gets officer, that is it. She doesn't need to pander anymore. Her emails have been hacked and stolen, they could be used against her and potentially blackmail her. She withheld information on oath and still hasn't been charged for perjury. That fact alone should raise a billion red flags.

I'm not disagreeing with your Trump as his worst.

Trump is just inexperienced and shows it. Hillary is experienced at politics which in this case is a terrible thing.

Would you hire an idiot with no experience to run your store or would you hire someone with experience but is guaranteed to steal money from you and make decision for only their benefit?
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By eliroo 2016-08-23 07:41:31
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decisions*

office*
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2016-08-23 07:50:23
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Candlejack said: »
a judge would have final say.

True a Judge would have the final say....of what the Jury or Grand Jury says.

This is something americans have not been hammered down with enough in school over and we spend billions for education.

The citizens of this nation have no idea what power they possess over the government and our court systems because they have been purposely educated to think otherwise ( *** you democrats and republicans i'm coming for you).

I can not stress this enough to everyone i talk to about how important serving Jury Duty is. It is the citizens once or numerous chance ( if you get selected enough through random summons of service) of having greater authority over the Judge, Attorney General, Congress, Supreme Court, President, and Constitution.

Our founding fathers were geniuses who thought about the future of our nation leading to corruption infiltrating our congress, supreme court ,and presidency , and future Constitutional amendments and created safeguards for the citizens to take back there nation in more than one way.

1. Revolution
2. Article 5 Convention of the States to propose and ratify or nullify a amendment to the Constitution.
3. Serve Jury or Grand Jury

1 and 2 may not be viable if folks are cowards and to ingrained to their comforts of abuse.

But 3 is the best chance of fighting the corruption.

If hillary were on trial today in court majority of americans who would be serving the Grand Jury would vote Guilty and she would go to Federal Prison
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2016-08-23 08:22:40
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edit: the Grand Jury would indict and the Jury would find Hillary Clinton guilty
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2016-08-23 09:12:04
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When did her emails get hacked and stolen? The emails that the American government already has? How would they be used against her again? I'm just curious as to what you're talking about...

Hire neither?
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-08-23 09:20:46
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Hmm, something negative about Hillary is still in the top news? Time to get a betting pool going. How many hours until the top spot is usurped by a sarcastic Trump comment that looks really bad if you squint hard enough?
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-08-23 09:22:42
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If Grim is referring to emails gained from Russian hackers, a jury would likely be advised to disregard them as evidence gained through illegal means isn't admissable in court.

Or so I'd assume.
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-08-23 09:24:19
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Sylph.Shipp said: »
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Clinton, however, has shown her corruption.
Links?

I understand why you want links for the various claims made in here, but in this case it's like asking for proof that light exists.
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I think you forgot about the qualifiers. People didn't assume you were a dunce like that chick you tried to bang before making that comment.
You must be new here, yes they did.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-23 09:28:04
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Anna Ruthven said: »
If Grim is referring to emails gained from Russian hackers, a jury would likely be advised to disregard them as evidence gained through illegal means isn't admissable in court.

Or so I'd assume.
You assume correctly.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-23 09:31:01
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Hmm, something negative about Hillary is still in the top news? Time to get a betting pool going. How many hours until the top spot is usurped by a sarcastic Trump comment that looks really bad if you squint hard enough?
It's a slow news day.

Trump hasn't said anything off the mark, and they haven't found somebody who said that they heard Trump's campaign manager's niece's boyfriend say that they heard Trump's campaign manager's niece say that they heard Trump's campaign manager say that they heard Trump said something yet.

And when they do, they will be on Chris Mathews or Morning Joe, because like they have any journalistic integrity.
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-08-23 09:32:29
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I heard Trump wants to get rid of P&R.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2016-08-23 09:34:11
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Hmm, something negative about Hillary is still in the top news? Time to get a betting pool going. How many hours until the top spot is usurped by a sarcastic Trump comment that looks really bad if you squint hard enough?
you can't be this naive? You don't have to squint very hard to take issue with a lot of what trump says... I mean his supporters literally have a full time job explaining what he "actually" meant... Then sometimes he even goes back to an interview and doubles down on his original statement like Obama being the actual founder of ISIS...

Stop trying so hard man... Yes media does have a bias... On both sides... Don't act like trump isn't out there saying wild stuff all the time either.. He's in the news all the time because people want to read about the next crazy thing he will do or what they can dislike or like about him... He's click bait to the extreme...
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