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By Ramyrez 2016-08-16 09:37:34
"How should America fight racism ?" With bullets, duh. This is America! Only if you are a cop and/or somebody who's going to break the law. Butbutbut.... SECOND AMENDMENT! RAWR! Law-abiding citizens are much much much less likely to discharge a weapon at anyone, much less anyone of differential race than they are, then anyone else.
There are more accidental killings by police officers than there are accidental killings by law-abiding citizens.
So...you're saying...disarm police and arm everyone else?
*takes the wrong lesson and runs with it*
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-16 09:40:37
Also, in "combating lawfare" news:
Pennsylvanian Democrat Attorney General, Kathleen Kane, found guilty in committing lawfare against conservative opponents.
Quote: The state's attorney general was convicted Monday of all nine counts in a perjury and obstruction case related to a grand jury leak.
Attorney General Kathleen Kane showed little emotion as jurors announced their verdict late Monday. The jurors agreed the first-term Democrat leaked information about a 2009 grand jury probe to embarrass a rival prosecutor.
After the conviction, Pennsylvania's governor renewed his call for Kane to resign. Democratic Gov. Tom Wolf called it a "sad day" for Pennsylvania, adding, "There should be no question" that Kane, a fellow Democrat, should resign immediately.
In closing arguments, a lawyer for Kane blamed her former top aides for the leak of grand jury material, which found its way to a newspaper. Kane wanted the public to know her predecessor had failed to prosecute a case involving an NAACP official, but she never authorized the leak of secret criminal files, said her lawyer, Seth Farber.
Instead, he said, Kane's chief deputy, Adrian King, abused his power when he sent the files to a reporter through Kane's political consultant. King and the consultant, Josh Morrow, testified against Kane last week.
Morrow, who had a grant of immunity, said he and Kane devised a cover-up story that framed King for the leak. He acknowledged telling the lie to a grand jury.
"Those are two witnesses who will say whatever they need to in order to protect themselves," Farber said. "You would not even buy a used car from either one of them."
Montgomery County District Attorney Kevin Steele noted, though, that Kane had chosen the men as confidants. Text messages and phone records show frequent interactions among them on key days in the prosecution's timeline: when the documents changed hands, when the Philadelphia Daily News article appeared and when a grand jury started to investigate the leak.
A top deputy told the jury he was alarmed when he saw the June 2014 article. He testified Kane told him it was no big deal.
"Who would say that other than the person that is responsible for it?" Steele asked.
The leak grew out of Kane's feud with former office prosecutor Frank Fina, he said. According to trial testimony, Kane believed Fina had planted a story that showed she had dropped a statehouse sting.
"She was just hell-bent on getting back at Frank Fina," Morrow testified last week, describing Kane as "unhinged" at the time.
Kane did not testify or call any defense witnesses after three days of prosecution evidence. The jury began deliberations Monday afternoon.
Kane, 50, was once a rising star in the state's Democratic Party, using her then-husband's trucking fortune to run for statewide office after stints as a Scranton prosecutor and a stay-at-home mother. But an early honeymoon period in office, when she spoke out for the legalization of gay marriage, was soon marred by turmoil as she sparred with officials inside and outside the office.
She staunchly described the charges as payback for her efforts to take on an "old-boys network" in state government that traded offensive, mildly pornographic emails. Her investigation led two state Supreme Court justices and others to resign.
However, the trial judge did not let her lawyers wade into that argument.
Public officials convicted of official misconduct in Pennsylvania typically don't have to resign until they are sentenced. Kane could stay in office while she appeals, the governor's office said.
Perjury, the only felony charged, can bring up to seven years in prison. The misdemeanor charges Kane faced included conspiracy, official oppression and false swearing.
Kane, the first Democrat and first woman elected to the office, lost her law license over the charges and did not seek re-election this year.
This story should have received more press on it, instead of automatically going to archives as soon as it was written...
Lawfare is a huge issue that's happening a lot lately. And it's mostly (not all, but a vast majority) used by democrats against Republicans.....
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-16 09:42:13
"How should America fight racism ?" With bullets, duh. This is America! Only if you are a cop and/or somebody who's going to break the law. Butbutbut.... SECOND AMENDMENT! RAWR! Law-abiding citizens are much much much less likely to discharge a weapon at anyone, much less anyone of differential race than they are, then anyone else.
There are more accidental killings by police officers than there are accidental killings by law-abiding citizens.
So...you're saying...disarm police and arm everyone else?
*takes the wrong lesson and runs with it* I am actually more for disarming everyone. But I understand the sport of shooting (having shot several rifles myself, I know the thrill it has with shooting targets), so I'm not vocal about it.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-08-16 09:44:28
If I wanted to hang out with liberals there is always Starbucks. But I'll just have the coffee and leave. I don't need to be lectured by some guy with a mustache and a free Tibet T shirt ! I don't want any of that. Starbucks coffee is like an American luxury car. It's what people who don't know any better think quality is.
(Not a knock on American cars in general, just American luxury vehicles.) Starbucks isn't the best coffee in the world no. I've tried better but it is much easier to find. Then your organic hippie coffee. Occasionally I will print up a batch of bumper stickers. One run said "Real Seattlites don't drink Starbucks"
But do real Seattleites still talk highly of Kurt Cobain whilst talking smack about Layne Staley despite endless similarities? Cobain is SO LAST CENTURY. And rarely is mentioned anymore except in articles about how terrible Courtney Love is. Or when his house comes up for sale.
By Ramyrez 2016-08-16 09:45:49
This story should have received more press on it, instead of automatically going to archives as soon as it was written...
Lawfare is a huge issue that's happening a lot lately. And it's mostly (not all, but a vast majority) used by democrats against Republicans.....
I view it much like I view the wikileaks stuff.
Problematic for issues of privacy, yet also enlightening about the shady/dirty ***that goes on in the ranks of public officials. You can't really argue that the people she exposed didn't do anything wrong, but you can also say that she was wrong to go about exposing them in the way she did.
The comfort is, at least, that these are first-world problems as we continue to work to live in a Republican that protects individuals rights while trying to see justice done.
As always, the bigger issue for me is that rather than fess up to the incident and that she *** up in trying to do the right thing, she lied about it and made it worse. She's just as guilty of wrongdoing as the people she exposed, just in a different way.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-08-16 09:48:50
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There are more accidental killings by police officers than there are accidental killings by law-abiding citizens. 
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-08-16 09:57:21
Also, in "combating lawfare" news:
Pennsylvanian Democrat Attorney General, Kathleen Kane, found guilty in committing lawfare against conservative opponents.
Quote: The state's attorney general was convicted Monday of all nine counts in a perjury and obstruction case related to a grand jury leak.
Attorney General Kathleen Kane showed little emotion as jurors announced their verdict late Monday. The jurors agreed the first-term Democrat leaked information about a 2009 grand jury probe to embarrass a rival prosecutor.
After the conviction, Pennsylvania's governor renewed his call for Kane to resign. Democratic Gov. Tom Wolf called it a "sad day" for Pennsylvania, adding, "There should be no question" that Kane, a fellow Democrat, should resign immediately.
In closing arguments, a lawyer for Kane blamed her former top aides for the leak of grand jury material, which found its way to a newspaper. Kane wanted the public to know her predecessor had failed to prosecute a case involving an NAACP official, but she never authorized the leak of secret criminal files, said her lawyer, Seth Farber.
Instead, he said, Kane's chief deputy, Adrian King, abused his power when he sent the files to a reporter through Kane's political consultant. King and the consultant, Josh Morrow, testified against Kane last week.
Morrow, who had a grant of immunity, said he and Kane devised a cover-up story that framed King for the leak. He acknowledged telling the lie to a grand jury.
"Those are two witnesses who will say whatever they need to in order to protect themselves," Farber said. "You would not even buy a used car from either one of them."
Montgomery County District Attorney Kevin Steele noted, though, that Kane had chosen the men as confidants. Text messages and phone records show frequent interactions among them on key days in the prosecution's timeline: when the documents changed hands, when the Philadelphia Daily News article appeared and when a grand jury started to investigate the leak.
A top deputy told the jury he was alarmed when he saw the June 2014 article. He testified Kane told him it was no big deal.
"Who would say that other than the person that is responsible for it?" Steele asked.
The leak grew out of Kane's feud with former office prosecutor Frank Fina, he said. According to trial testimony, Kane believed Fina had planted a story that showed she had dropped a statehouse sting.
"She was just hell-bent on getting back at Frank Fina," Morrow testified last week, describing Kane as "unhinged" at the time.
Kane did not testify or call any defense witnesses after three days of prosecution evidence. The jury began deliberations Monday afternoon.
Kane, 50, was once a rising star in the state's Democratic Party, using her then-husband's trucking fortune to run for statewide office after stints as a Scranton prosecutor and a stay-at-home mother. But an early honeymoon period in office, when she spoke out for the legalization of gay marriage, was soon marred by turmoil as she sparred with officials inside and outside the office.
She staunchly described the charges as payback for her efforts to take on an "old-boys network" in state government that traded offensive, mildly pornographic emails. Her investigation led two state Supreme Court justices and others to resign.
However, the trial judge did not let her lawyers wade into that argument.
Public officials convicted of official misconduct in Pennsylvania typically don't have to resign until they are sentenced. Kane could stay in office while she appeals, the governor's office said.
Perjury, the only felony charged, can bring up to seven years in prison. The misdemeanor charges Kane faced included conspiracy, official oppression and false swearing.
Kane, the first Democrat and first woman elected to the office, lost her law license over the charges and did not seek re-election this year.
This story should have received more press on it, instead of automatically going to archives as soon as it was written... ??? I have been folowing this one for months. Is there something wrong with the interwebs in Texas?
Quote: Lawfare is a huge issue that's happening a lot lately. And it's mostly (not all, but a vast majority) used by democrats against Republicans..... At the risk of repeating myself ...
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-16 09:58:20
You can't really argue that the people she exposed didn't do anything wrong, The article did not state that.
What did the people who she revealed information to embarrass them do wrong?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-16 10:05:17
Quote: Lawfare is a huge issue that's happening a lot lately. And it's mostly (not all, but a vast majority) used by democrats against Republicans..... At the risk of repeating myself ...
You can't be serious.
Are you going to say that the "John Doe" investigations on Scott Walker and various conservative leaders in Wisconsin by John Chisholm wasn't lawfare at it's core?
This is just another example of the growing popularity of using legal means to intimidate political opponents into submission. I'm not saying that this is a sole democrat practice, but I cannot find a Republican using this. I'm sure you will though (from snopes or Mother Jones, most likely)
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2016-08-16 10:15:04
Also, in "combating lawfare" news:
Pennsylvanian Democrat Attorney General, Kathleen Kane, found guilty in committing lawfare against conservative opponents.
Quote: The state's attorney general was convicted Monday of all nine counts in a perjury and obstruction case related to a grand jury leak.
Attorney General Kathleen Kane showed little emotion as jurors announced their verdict late Monday. The jurors agreed the first-term Democrat leaked information about a 2009 grand jury probe to embarrass a rival prosecutor.
After the conviction, Pennsylvania's governor renewed his call for Kane to resign. Democratic Gov. Tom Wolf called it a "sad day" for Pennsylvania, adding, "There should be no question" that Kane, a fellow Democrat, should resign immediately.
In closing arguments, a lawyer for Kane blamed her former top aides for the leak of grand jury material, which found its way to a newspaper. Kane wanted the public to know her predecessor had failed to prosecute a case involving an NAACP official, but she never authorized the leak of secret criminal files, said her lawyer, Seth Farber.
Instead, he said, Kane's chief deputy, Adrian King, abused his power when he sent the files to a reporter through Kane's political consultant. King and the consultant, Josh Morrow, testified against Kane last week.
Morrow, who had a grant of immunity, said he and Kane devised a cover-up story that framed King for the leak. He acknowledged telling the lie to a grand jury.
"Those are two witnesses who will say whatever they need to in order to protect themselves," Farber said. "You would not even buy a used car from either one of them."
Montgomery County District Attorney Kevin Steele noted, though, that Kane had chosen the men as confidants. Text messages and phone records show frequent interactions among them on key days in the prosecution's timeline: when the documents changed hands, when the Philadelphia Daily News article appeared and when a grand jury started to investigate the leak.
A top deputy told the jury he was alarmed when he saw the June 2014 article. He testified Kane told him it was no big deal.
"Who would say that other than the person that is responsible for it?" Steele asked.
The leak grew out of Kane's feud with former office prosecutor Frank Fina, he said. According to trial testimony, Kane believed Fina had planted a story that showed she had dropped a statehouse sting.
"She was just hell-bent on getting back at Frank Fina," Morrow testified last week, describing Kane as "unhinged" at the time.
Kane did not testify or call any defense witnesses after three days of prosecution evidence. The jury began deliberations Monday afternoon.
Kane, 50, was once a rising star in the state's Democratic Party, using her then-husband's trucking fortune to run for statewide office after stints as a Scranton prosecutor and a stay-at-home mother. But an early honeymoon period in office, when she spoke out for the legalization of gay marriage, was soon marred by turmoil as she sparred with officials inside and outside the office.
She staunchly described the charges as payback for her efforts to take on an "old-boys network" in state government that traded offensive, mildly pornographic emails. Her investigation led two state Supreme Court justices and others to resign.
However, the trial judge did not let her lawyers wade into that argument.
Public officials convicted of official misconduct in Pennsylvania typically don't have to resign until they are sentenced. Kane could stay in office while she appeals, the governor's office said.
Perjury, the only felony charged, can bring up to seven years in prison. The misdemeanor charges Kane faced included conspiracy, official oppression and false swearing.
Kane, the first Democrat and first woman elected to the office, lost her law license over the charges and did not seek re-election this year.
This story should have received more press on it, instead of automatically going to archives as soon as it was written...
Lawfare is a huge issue that's happening a lot lately. And it's mostly (not all, but a vast majority) used by democrats against Republicans..... It's on the front page of CNN this morning so yeah...
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-16 10:19:06
It's on the front page of CNN this morning so yeah... Already in the archives on CBS.com this morning, so yeah...
Oh hey, that's who I quoted from. Not CNN.com, but CBS.com
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-08-16 10:19:29
Quote: Lawfare is a huge issue that's happening a lot lately. And it's mostly (not all, but a vast majority) used by democrats against Republicans..... At the risk of repeating myself ...
You can't be serious. Are you going to say that the "John Doe" investigations on Scott Walker and various conservative leaders in Wisconsin by John Chisholm wasn't lawfare at it's core?
This is just another example of the growing popularity of using legal means to intimidate political opponents into submission. I'm not saying that this is a sole democrat practice, but I cannot find a Republican using this. I'm sure you will though (from snopes or Mother Jones, most likely) Quote: Lawfare is a huge issue that's happening a lot lately. And it's mostly (not all, but a vast majority) used by democrats against Republicans.... Your statement, you defend it.
By Ramyrez 2016-08-16 10:21:57
You can't really argue that the people she exposed didn't do anything wrong, The article did not state that.
What did the people who she revealed information to embarrass them do wrong?
Wait. Have you actually look at the exhibits of what they were sending/talking about on the public time/dime?
It's really inappropriate for workplace discussion unless you work in the adult entertainment industry, and it's certainly not acceptable for a public official...
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-16 10:23:20
Quote: Lawfare is a huge issue that's happening a lot lately. And it's mostly (not all, but a vast majority) used by democrats against Republicans..... At the risk of repeating myself ...
You can't be serious. Are you going to say that the "John Doe" investigations on Scott Walker and various conservative leaders in Wisconsin by John Chisholm wasn't lawfare at it's core?
This is just another example of the growing popularity of using legal means to intimidate political opponents into submission. I'm not saying that this is a sole democrat practice, but I cannot find a Republican using this. I'm sure you will though (from snopes or Mother Jones, most likely) Quote: Lawfare is a huge issue that's happening a lot lately. And it's mostly (not all, but a vast majority) used by democrats against Republicans.... Your statement, you defend it. I already shown my evidence. Your move.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-16 10:24:21
You can't really argue that the people she exposed didn't do anything wrong, The article did not state that.
What did the people who she revealed information to embarrass them do wrong?
Wait. Have you actually look at the exhibits of what they were sending/talking about on the public time/dime?
It's really inappropriate for workplace discussion unless you work in the adult entertainment industry, and it's certainly not acceptable for a public official... Sorry, I didn't follow the case at all.
I just found out about it on today's archive search.
By Ramyrez 2016-08-16 10:40:18
Sorry, I didn't follow the case at all.
I just found out about it on today's archive search.
It's not even that it's just porn. That would be highly inappropriate but...whatever, really. Some people would still be livid, but I wouldn't care.
But the message implicit within a lot of it is pretty disturbing. Not in the "I've never seen that level of depravity," way, but in the "there's no way these people can be trusted to make unbias public decisions" way.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-08-16 12:09:51
This story should have received more press on it, instead of automatically going to archives as soon as it was written...
Lawfare is a huge issue that's happening a lot lately. And it's mostly (not all, but a vast majority) used by democrats against Republicans..... Where's the part where she targeted Republicans?
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2016-08-16 12:16:00
It's on the front page of CNN this morning so yeah... Already in the archives on CBS.com this morning, so yeah...
Oh hey, that's who I quoted from. Not CNN.com, but CBS.com Point being that it's out on the front page of other media outlets... Liberally biased ones... Not just hidden away like you claim... You claimed it should have received more press not just that cbs archived it... It is receiving press...
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-16 12:27:44
It's on the front page of CNN this morning so yeah... Already in the archives on CBS.com this morning, so yeah...
Oh hey, that's who I quoted from. Not CNN.com, but CBS.com Point being that it's out on the front page of other media outlets... Liberally biased ones... Not just hidden away like you claim... You claimed it should have received more press not just that cbs archived it... It is receiving press... It's a sideline article. And only 1.
Trump doesn't even have to say a word, others say it for him and there's multiple articles and opinion pieces associated with that one faux-outrage issue.
What happened with the PA AG is more newsworthy than what Trump had for breakfast this morning.
By Ramyrez 2016-08-16 12:29:52
What happened with the PA AG is more newsworthy than what Trump had for breakfast this morning.
What if he ate a baby that wouldn't stop crying during his rally/
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-16 12:33:48
What happened with the PA AG is more newsworthy than what Trump had for breakfast this morning.
What if he ate a baby that wouldn't stop crying during his rally/ Don't say that, the media will turn it into a story.
It's not like they need evidence to print anything anymore.
By Ramyrez 2016-08-16 12:35:08
What happened with the PA AG is more newsworthy than what Trump had for breakfast this morning.
What if he ate a baby that wouldn't stop crying during his rally/ Don't say that, the media will turn it into a story.
It's not like they need evidence to print anything anymore.
Somewhat oddly, he would have endeared himself to me if he had kicked that screaming baby out.
Who takes a baby to a political rally, seriously? Poor *** kid. Get it out of there and get it some jingling keys and milk, stat.
By Ramyrez 2016-08-16 12:35:37
Somewhat oddly, he would have endeared himself to me if he had kicked that screaming baby out.
Rather, specifically, kicked out the parents who took a baby into a throng of people.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-16 12:36:42
Hey, at least you admitted that he didn't kick that baby out of the rally.
Progress.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-16 12:37:02
Rather specifically, the mother of the crying baby.
By Ramyrez 2016-08-16 12:37:51
I have no idea because I never really cared about anyone who has the time or inclination to actually waste their life attending a politician's rally.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-08-16 12:38:16
Where's the part where she targeted Republicans?
It's in the secret part of the article that can only be read if you're paranoid delusional. try reading it again with this on...
see!? she's a demycrat so obviously she hates republicans and did things and stuff to them
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-16 12:39:09
Where's the part where she targeted Republicans?
It's in the secret part of the article that can only be read if you're paranoid delusional. try reading it again with this on...
see!? she's a demycrat so obviously she hates republicans and did things and stuff to them Pleebo obviously didn't read the article. It's not spelled out in crayon for him.
So don't bother to reply to him.
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-08-16 12:46:59
I have no idea because I never really cared about anyone who has the time or inclination to actually waste their life attending a politician's rally. Sounds like a good place to pick up crazy women.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-16 12:48:09
I have no idea because I never really cared about anyone who has the time or inclination to actually waste their life attending a politician's rally. Sounds like a good place to pick up crazy women. That would explain Clinton....
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