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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2016-06-06 11:53:23
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Asura.Saevel said: »
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Nobody cares about bad ***happening to adult white men, they only care about bad ***happening to women and children.
Fixed that for you.

Remember the controversy that happened when the first Star Wars Episode VII trailer was released?

#BlackStormtroopersLivesMatter

Yes, I do.

A bunch of mostly white, basement dwelling racist garbage whined that Finn was black because they felt they owned Star Wars because they were entitled *** nerds who needed a swift kick in the tenderloins.

This same minority whined about Idris Elba as Heimdall because Heimdall is a real Asgardian and Asgardians are all white. Because they're Scandinavian and Marvel cares so much about being true to ancient myths.
Look, I don't give a *** about who gets what casting. The same idiots pitched a fit when Samuel Jackson was casted as Nick Fury.

I don't care about any of that. I'm just pointing out that nobody gives a ***about white, adult men getting killed on camera, but everyone flips a ***when somebody who's not white and/or male gets killed on camera.

I mean, come on, it's fiction, not reality!

Watch them deflect left and right then try to somehow say it's men's fault for society finding male genital mutilation humerus.
yeah.... That ***is totally hilarious man! You're right... This is just another example of weak arguments children... Got nothing to say that backs up your original claim? Well you can just make ***up! Make it up whatever you like then pre emotive my accuse someone else of saying it when no one ever would!
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2016-06-06 11:54:00
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2016-06-06 11:55:39
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Asura.Saevel said: »
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finding male genital mutilation humerus.
I don't know how this even partains to the conversation at hand.
And it's humorous.
And no one finds it so.

Comedy has a scene where the guy nearly has his *** cut off / or is severely injured in the genitals, the audience laughs and the world is right.

Comedy has a scene where the female nearly has her breasts cut off / or is severely injured in the genitals, the audience goes ape ***and gets angry.

Its the sexist belief that it's socially acceptable to hurt males but not socially acceptable to hurt females.

Now you may begin dancing
Idk sounds like you're getting pretty angry about it...
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-06-06 11:56:34
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Asura.Saevel said: »
Nobody cares about bad ***happening to adult white men, they only care about bad ***happening to women and children.
Fixed that for you.

Remember the controversy that happened when the first Star Wars Episode VII trailer was released?

#BlackStormtroopersLivesMatter

Yes, I do.

A bunch of mostly white, basement dwelling racist garbage whined that Finn was black because they felt they owned Star Wars because they were entitled *** nerds who needed a swift kick in the tenderloins.

This same minority whined about Idris Elba as Heimdall because Heimdall is a real Asgardian and Asgardians are all white. Because they're Scandinavian and Marvel cares so much about being true to ancient myths.
Look, I don't give a *** about who gets what casting. The same idiots pitched a fit when Samuel Jackson was casted as Nick Fury.

I don't care about any of that. I'm just pointing out that nobody gives a ***about white, adult men getting killed on camera, but everyone flips a ***when somebody who's not white and/or male gets killed on camera.

I mean, come on, it's fiction, not reality!

Watch them deflect left and right then try to somehow say it's men's fault for society finding male genital mutilation humerus.
yeah.... That ***is totally hilarious man! You're right... This is just another example of weak arguments children... Got nothing to say that backs up your original claim? Well you can just make ***up! Make it up whatever you like then preemptively my accuse someone else of saying it when no one ever would!
You really shouldn't attack people for weak arguments. That's basically all you have.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-06-06 12:04:28
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Should rename thread : Random Deflect > Attack 06
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-06-06 12:04:42
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Your argument is
Again, I didn't make an argument, I made an observation.

You were the one getting defensive about it and created an argument out of nothing.

That's called a strawman fallacy.

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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-06-06 12:05:57
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Deflects and Attacks!
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By fonewear 2016-06-06 12:11:48
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Should rename thread : Random Deflect > Attack 06


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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-06-06 12:18:26
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Good point Fone.

Continuing down that path would have lead to an eventual lock.

I'm not going to play either of those two games anymore.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2016-06-06 12:27:41
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Comparing a *** injury gag doesn't line up.

The *** injury, kick him in the nuts gag is played for laughs because it's a common fear men have. Nigh universal. That they'll be put in serious pain and so seeing it happen to others is schadenfreude. An a relief that it isn't you getting kicked in the 'nads.

I'm not sure there is a direct comparison for women. Movies often play the fake boobs / stuffed boobs gags for laugh or more commonly outing a woman for wearing fake hair. Similar in that most women fear losing their hair or being outboobed by another woman with similar schadenfreude in play.

We kinda cherish our sexual organs.

In both cases attacking someones genitals in a situation outside comedy is usually seen as especially violent. Watching a guy get his *** cut off is not garnering much laughs as much as a female genital mutilation or some kind of torture porn. It's in the same family as doing eye horror with needles in that it means to underline violence and shock audiences.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2016-06-06 12:34:48
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Good point Fone.

Continuing down that path would have lead to an eventual lock.

I'm not going to play either of those two games anymore.

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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-06-06 12:36:20
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Sparth, I'm sure you agree that seeing a male getting punched/shot is emotionally different than seeing a female getting punched/shot, at least at a social standpoint.

Men have always been protective towards women since the Stone Age. To see abuse towards women, we instinctively anger towards the abuser. Even in a good vs. evil situation where we know that woman deserves it, some piece of our mind gets pissed off (even for just a second) when the woman gets it.

That's just human nature.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2016-06-06 12:48:42
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Men are naturally protective of women eh? Guess all of that rape, dragging women through the streets, honor killing, acid in the face is 'protection'. The kind of protection a well dressed Italian guy gives you when he walks into your laundromat and asks about tribute.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2016-06-06 12:53:55
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In film, which is what we were mainly talking about, our ability to sympathize with a character (regardless of gender) is down to the characterization.

We sympathize with Sarah Connor because she's being chased by a killer robot in 1980s America with no fighting skills. Being a woman is only one part of the overall equation though it does factor.

No one weeped when Elektra King gets shot in the face by James Bond in The World is Not Enough because she's been characterized as a woman who uses seduction to get her way and more importantly she's evil. Being a woman does not stop most people from arriving at the conclusion she deserved a bullet.

We do sympathize with Bond however because the guy can't stop falling in love with women on missions.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-06-06 12:55:03
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
well dressed Italian guy gives you when he walks into your laundromat and asks about tribute.
The soldiers are usually not well dressed at all lol. They wear expensive brands to show that they got money, but it's usually street fashion clothing.

I know no one asked.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2016-06-06 12:59:27
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well dressed Italian guy gives you when he walks into your laundromat and asks about tribute.
The soldiers are usually not well dressed at all lol. They wear expensive brands to show that they got money, but it's usually street fashion clothing.

I know no one asked.

This is America. Every Italian badguy wears a suit, gold watches and talks with a suspciously northeastern accent. Also, we need to cut in a Catholic Church scene between a shakedown, an Italian mother screaming about pasta and dumping a body.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-06-06 13:04:07
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Men are naturally protective of women eh? Guess all of that rape, dragging women through the streets, honor killing, acid in the face is 'protection'.
Yes, let's use outliers as part of the norm, shall we?

Are you suggesting that all, most, a significant portion, or even a portion greater than 1% of all men in the world rape, drag women through the streets, honor killing (well, in this case, greater than 2% because Islam is batshit crazy like that), and/or throw acid in the face?
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-06-06 13:05:36
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Also, we need to cut in a Catholic Church scene between a shakedown, an Italian mother screaming about pasta and dumping a body.
Hey that part is realistic at least!
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-06-06 13:05:59
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No one weeped when Elektra King gets shot in the face by James Bond in The World is Not Enough because she's been characterized as a woman who uses seduction to get her way and more importantly she's evil. Being a woman does not stop most people from arriving at the conclusion she deserved a bullet.
Already addressed that:

Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Even in a good vs. evil situation where we know that woman deserves it, some piece of our mind gets pissed off (even for just a second) when the woman gets it.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2016-06-06 13:17:44
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Maybe you do. There are plenty of villainous women who you have little if any sympathy for when they bite it / get their comeuppance. A flat character will be treated as such by a viewer.

Ursula in the Little Mermaid is pretty straight evil. Wicked Stepmother's a trope for a reason. Cruella wants to skin dogs for her own vanity. None of these people are in any way shown in a sympathetic light. Being a woman does not change that. It helps these are children's movies so they don't want to make them too morally complex.

Mafioso characters often get the family brush to make them more relateable to you and me but with all the ***they do, it took a series like The Sopranos to have really fleshed out the 'shades of grey' moral struggles of villain protagonists. Now we have Game of Thrones, Walking Dead, Breaking Bad etc etc.

Much like any male villain, the ability to make the audience feel for a villain/antagonist/antihero requires the proper setup.
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By fonewear 2016-06-06 13:31:23
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
In film, which is what we were mainly talking about, our ability to sympathize with a character (regardless of gender) is down to the characterization.

We sympathize with Sarah Connor because she's being chased by a killer robot in 1980s America with no fighting skills. Being a woman is only one part of the overall equation though it does factor.

No one weeped when Elektra King gets shot in the face by James Bond in The World is Not Enough because she's been characterized as a woman who uses seduction to get her way and more importantly she's evil. Being a woman does not stop most people from arriving at the conclusion she deserved a bullet.

We do sympathize with Bond however because the guy can't stop falling in love with women on missions.

I don't sympathize with Bond I just like women and cars and explosions !
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-06-06 13:34:35
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I guess the appropriate question now is this:

Do you wonder why you automatically feel a certain way when faced with a situation or do you not even notice it?

Watching a male punch a female, even in cases that they deserve it, always got a flash of anger from me. I noticed it, I questioned it, I sought answers, and I discovered my inner psych. I also know that not many people do that, which is a shame in my opinion.

How about you? Have you questioned it, or do you not even notice it?
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By fonewear 2016-06-06 13:37:28
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Maybe you do. There are plenty of villainous women who you have little if any sympathy for when they bite it / get their comeuppance. A flat character will be treated as such by a viewer.

Ursula in the Little Mermaid is pretty straight evil. Wicked Stepmother's a trope for a reason. Cruella wants to skin dogs for her own vanity. None of these people are in any way shown in a sympathetic light. Being a woman does not change that. It helps these are children's movies so they don't want to make them too morally complex.

Mafioso characters often get the family brush to make them more relateable to you and me but with all the ***they do, it took a series like The Sopranos to have really fleshed out the 'shades of grey' moral struggles of villain protagonists. Now we have Game of Thrones, Walking Dead, Breaking Bad etc etc.

Much like any male villain, the ability to make the audience feel for a villain/antagonist/antihero requires the proper setup.

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By Jassik 2016-06-06 13:47:41
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
I guess the appropriate question now is this:

Do you wonder why you automatically feel a certain way when faced with a situation or do you not even notice it?

Watching a male punch a female, even in cases that they deserve it, always got a flash of anger from me. I noticed it, I questioned it, I sought answers, and I discovered my inner psych. I also know that not many people do that, which is a shame in my opinion.

How about you? Have you questioned it, or do you not even notice it?

For me, gender matters less than the context and relative size of the people involved. Men are generally larger and stronger than women, so the psychological component is pretty similar to seeing a large person hit a smaller person.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-06-06 13:49:05
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After re-reading your post, I noticed that we are talking about two different events: conscious vs. sub-conscious reactions.

I have been talking about sub-conscious reactions (ingrained human nature, instinctive anger, natural protective tenancies towards women, etc.) while you are talking about conscious reactions (feelings towards a fictional character, male vs. female tendencies, etc.).

Let's at least get on the same page, and a re-phrasal of the above question: Do you notice your sub-conscious feelings when a man hits a woman?

And before you counter with your obvious counterargument, outliers do not a society make. If you are going to make your same excuse like you did before, I'm just going to ask the same question you haven't answered again.
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