Random Politics & Religion #06

yeah.... That ***is totally hilarious man! You're right... This is just another example of weak arguments children... Got nothing to say that backs up your original claim? Well you can just make ***up! Make it up whatever you like then pre emotive my accuse someone else of saying it when no one ever would!

Pre-emptively

Idk sounds like you're getting pretty angry about it...

You really shouldn't attack people for weak arguments. That's basically all you have.

Should rename thread : Random Deflect > Attack 06

Again, I didn't make an argument, I made an observation.

You were the one getting defensive about it and created an argument out of nothing.

That's called a strawman fallacy.

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Deflects and Attacks!

Good point Fone.

Continuing down that path would have lead to an eventual lock.

I'm not going to play either of those two games anymore.

Comparing a *** injury gag doesn't line up.

The *** injury, kick him in the nuts gag is played for laughs because it's a common fear men have. Nigh universal. That they'll be put in serious pain and so seeing it happen to others is schadenfreude. An a relief that it isn't you getting kicked in the 'nads.

I'm not sure there is a direct comparison for women. Movies often play the fake boobs / stuffed boobs gags for laugh or more commonly outing a woman for wearing fake hair. Similar in that most women fear losing their hair or being outboobed by another woman with similar schadenfreude in play.

We kinda cherish our sexual organs.

In both cases attacking someones genitals in a situation outside comedy is usually seen as especially violent. Watching a guy get his *** cut off is not garnering much laughs as much as a female genital mutilation or some kind of torture porn. It's in the same family as doing eye horror with needles in that it means to underline violence and shock audiences.

Sparth, I'm sure you agree that seeing a male getting punched/shot is emotionally different than seeing a female getting punched/shot, at least at a social standpoint.

Men have always been protective towards women since the Stone Age. To see abuse towards women, we instinctively anger towards the abuser. Even in a good vs. evil situation where we know that woman deserves it, some piece of our mind gets pissed off (even for just a second) when the woman gets it.

That's just human nature.

Men are naturally protective of women eh? Guess all of that rape, dragging women through the streets, honor killing, acid in the face is 'protection'. The kind of protection a well dressed Italian guy gives you when he walks into your laundromat and asks about tribute.

In film, which is what we were mainly talking about, our ability to sympathize with a character (regardless of gender) is down to the characterization.

We sympathize with Sarah Connor because she's being chased by a killer robot in 1980s America with no fighting skills. Being a woman is only one part of the overall equation though it does factor.

No one weeped when Elektra King gets shot in the face by James Bond in The World is Not Enough because she's been characterized as a woman who uses seduction to get her way and more importantly she's evil. Being a woman does not stop most people from arriving at the conclusion she deserved a bullet.

We do sympathize with Bond however because the guy can't stop falling in love with women on missions.

The soldiers are usually not well dressed at all lol. They wear expensive brands to show that they got money, but it's usually street fashion clothing.

I know no one asked.

This is America. Every Italian badguy wears a suit, gold watches and talks with a suspciously northeastern accent. Also, we need to cut in a Catholic Church scene between a shakedown, an Italian mother screaming about pasta and dumping a body.

Yes, let's use outliers as part of the norm, shall we?

Are you suggesting that all, most, a significant portion, or even a portion greater than 1% of all men in the world rape, drag women through the streets, honor killing (well, in this case, greater than 2% because Islam is batshit crazy like that), and/or throw acid in the face?

Hey that part is realistic at least!

Already addressed that:

Maybe you do. There are plenty of villainous women who you have little if any sympathy for when they bite it / get their comeuppance. A flat character will be treated as such by a viewer.

Ursula in the Little Mermaid is pretty straight evil. Wicked Stepmother's a trope for a reason. Cruella wants to skin dogs for her own vanity. None of these people are in any way shown in a sympathetic light. Being a woman does not change that. It helps these are children's movies so they don't want to make them too morally complex.

Mafioso characters often get the family brush to make them more relateable to you and me but with all the ***they do, it took a series like The Sopranos to have really fleshed out the 'shades of grey' moral struggles of villain protagonists. Now we have Game of Thrones, Walking Dead, Breaking Bad etc etc.

Much like any male villain, the ability to make the audience feel for a villain/antagonist/antihero requires the proper setup.

I don't sympathize with Bond I just like women and cars and explosions !

I guess the appropriate question now is this:

Do you wonder why you automatically feel a certain way when faced with a situation or do you not even notice it?

Watching a male punch a female, even in cases that they deserve it, always got a flash of anger from me. I noticed it, I questioned it, I sought answers, and I discovered my inner psych. I also know that not many people do that, which is a shame in my opinion.

How about you? Have you questioned it, or do you not even notice it?

For me, gender matters less than the context and relative size of the people involved. Men are generally larger and stronger than women, so the psychological component is pretty similar to seeing a large person hit a smaller person.

After re-reading your post, I noticed that we are talking about two different events: conscious vs. sub-conscious reactions.

I have been talking about sub-conscious reactions (ingrained human nature, instinctive anger, natural protective tenancies towards women, etc.) while you are talking about conscious reactions (feelings towards a fictional character, male vs. female tendencies, etc.).

Let's at least get on the same page, and a re-phrasal of the above question: Do you notice your sub-conscious feelings when a man hits a woman?

And before you counter with your obvious counterargument, outliers do not a society make. If you are going to make your same excuse like you did before, I'm just going to ask the same question you haven't answered again.