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Random Politics & Religion #03
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-04-26 22:44:15
I like shooting at edible animals and practice targets, I'm not wasting my ammo to shoot the guy who broke in and stole the transmission out of my neighbor's bath tub.
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By Cruz Missive 2016-04-26 22:45:26
It's getting harder and harder to exploit people these days.
Does anyone honestly start a job and act surprised when they need to work longer when deadlines approach?
Did you automatically get better grades if you sat in the library after school? Or did you actually need to, you know, study something to make that work?
What are you even talking about?
Did you read the actual rule change? It's to close a loophole. "Overtime-exempt" was meant as a classification for highly-compensated individuals, white collar occupations where people are already making plenty of money. What it's being abused for, is to effectively push a specific class of workers (who are NOT highly paid) below the minimum wage. That's shitty.
If your business can't succeed without paying your employees below minimum wage, you deserve to fail.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2016-04-26 22:45:40
Nah, the gun discussion should come in here anyway, it's not really Trump related.
Guess I'll drag the initial posts over here before I'm bed-bound.
Facts are stubborn things. Any one of the studies on this side will point to falling violent crime rates of the previous decades and contrast them to the amount of guns that are legally owned then vs now. More guns owned now vs then, and the result is less crime.
The common sense approach to this phenomenon is that as more people legally own guns, those legal guns are present in places where they can potentially stop crime. Furthermore as crime is prevented, criminals must increasingly weigh that their potential victims might be carrying guns themselves, and that itself serves as further deterrence to additional crime. Conversely places where legal guns are prohibited such as "gun free zone" act as magnets to criminals in regards to their ability to carry out their crime. It's an easy concept to grasp that if a criminal wants to murder someone, the absence of a gun (such as in a gun free zone) is a preferable environment to those where any would be victims might be packing heat.
Ah, the old "More Guns, Less Crime" chestnut. You should probably look up the science rather than just talking about things you feel are happening, and calling it "common sense".
For the record, it's not conclusive; it mostly tilts in the "maybe we shouldn't have so many guns, or at least make better laws about obtaining them" direction, but it's not hard and fast in either direction, so claiming it's some closed book is just foolish.
/yoink
You all have fun.
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By Asura.Saevel 2016-04-26 22:51:59
Ideas like that a ludicrous. Never in my post college career have I been paid extra for anything over 40 hours.
Welcome to the real world where you're expected to work a little harder if the job demands it.
Counterpoint: people should be paid for the work they do.
If a $40k salary is negotiated with the expectation of 40 hrs/wk, and you're working 60 routinely? That's bad faith on the part of the employer.
Your limited time on this planet is what you sell to companies. Don't give them a *** discount.
If someone negotiates that and their employer tries to pull a bait-and-switch, then that person needs to be looking for a new employer. If that person is incapable of finding such, then they need to improve their skill sets, personal networks and reputation so that they can have that choice.
Successful careers don't magically appear, they are carefully built over time. The key ingredients are versatile skill sets that are in demand, personal network connections and then reputation. If someone doesn't have these then employers will abuse them, it's just how the world works.
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By Altimaomega 2016-04-26 22:59:26
This is an interesting topic.
If you negotiate a salary with the expectation of 40 hrs/wk and your boss is demanding 60. Grow some balls and say no.
Oh wait.. Can't do that anymore because hundreds of people are waiting in line for your shitty 40 hr/wk (which is really 60 hr/wk) job.. Gee! Wonder how that happened..?
Saying that however does not make up for it being a massive *** move to not pay overtime.
But what are we discussing here? Being told you have to work 60hrs when the job required 40hrs to start or being stupid enough to sign onto a salary with the small print saying you'll be working 60hrs most the time with no overtime?
Apparently we are discussing that in the real world, you should just work overtime without raising the alarm, because reasons. When I worked for the VA we had to do mandatory paid overtime. I would never have done it for free, I am not that charitable. If the work can't get done in a 40 hour work week, thats not my problem. I got my caseload done without issue. I don't see the negative of this proposed rule.
Why are people working over time on salary in the first place is my point.?.
Mandatory Overtime is normally something that is used on people that get paid by the hour to scare them into coming into work and not losing their jobs. Yes it is required by LAW to pay overtime to workers who are paid by the hour.
Salary is a different beast. It is for people that are actually in demand and have actual skills worth "negotiating" for. At least it "used" to be..
Now people are so dumb they don't know how to actually negotiate and screw themselves when they lack the balls to stand up and say, no that is not in my contract.
So now we have the government coming in (with more rules and regulations btw" saying to business owners "no reason to have a salary position anymore your going to have to pay over time" and now business owners are just going to pay skilled workers less by getting rid of salary positions and paying by the hour and using Mandatory Overtime.
That 40k job that you was just working 60hrs a week for (which had multiple other benefits fyi) just turned into a normal 40hr/wk with 20hrs mandatory overtime and none of those extra benefits...
Oh, and it'll be a 30-35k yearly income now as well!
Again.. Thanks Big Government! Thanks stupid people for not being able to think for yourself!
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-04-26 23:08:51
The existing regulation is being updated from 2004 standards to close what became a loophole that allowed low-paid workers to qualify for the exemption meant for well-paid employees. Where's the issue here?
By Altimaomega 2016-04-26 23:12:47
The existing regulation is being updated from 2004 standards to close what became a loophole that allowed low-paid workers to qualify for the exemption meant for well-paid employees. Where's the issue here?
Does this existing regulation that is being updated now affect well-paid employees?
Did those low-payed workers negotiate their salary?
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-04-26 23:15:24
Did those low-payed workers negotiate their salary? I doubt McDonald's would negotiate salaries.
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By Altimaomega 2016-04-26 23:16:44
Did those low-payed workers negotiate their salary? I doubt McDonald's would negotiate salaries.
So they was already violating the law? So we need more laws to stop them?
By Altimaomega 2016-04-26 23:17:20
Where have I heard this line of reasoning before..
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-04-26 23:18:04
Does this existing regulation that is being updated now affect well-paid employees?
Did those low-payed workers negotiate their salary? It also updates the standards for what are considered highly-compensated employees, and I can't imagine many of the low-paying white collar positions having negotiable salaries.
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-04-26 23:18:05
Did those low-payed workers negotiate their salary? I doubt McDonald's would negotiate salaries.
So they was already violating the law? So we need more laws to stop them? By NRA logic, yes. That's correct.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-04-26 23:19:18
The existing regulation is being updated from 2004 standards to close what became a loophole that allowed low-paid workers to qualify for the exemption meant for well-paid employees. Where's the issue here?
No one has actually brought up an issue with it yet. Maybe soon?
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By Asura.Saevel 2016-04-26 23:22:57
It wasn't really a loophole, just a provision that's been taken out of context. Originally tech and other "high skill" / management jobs did pay quite well compared to factory or low skill work. Those positions often require that individual to be available for overtime in case of emergency / special circumstances. Worked fine until we transformed from an industrial economy into a service / information economy.
Now practically every job fits the old definition for high skilled / management. The call center "remote technician / ect.." working isn't highly skilled but because they are working with high tech equipment, it can be classified as a high skill job. Lots of regular desk jobs are being reclassified in order to dodge overtime pay requirements.
Of course like always, the onus is on the employee to understand they market they are in, know the rules and how to play the system. No amount of legislation will fix this, if anything it's only going to make it more difficult.
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By Altimaomega 2016-04-26 23:26:05
No amount of legislation will fix this, if anything it's only going to make it more difficult.
By Altimaomega 2016-04-26 23:28:37
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »No amount of legislation will fix this, if anything it's only going to make it more difficult.
An example of why we need regulation.
You realize regulations were in place and that still happened right?
By Altimaomega 2016-04-26 23:44:18
The problem is the government doesn't learn and only makes the problem worse.
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »Don't say that like it proves some point. Asura.Floppyseconds said: »An example of why we need regulation.
You say that like regulation would have prevented it.. It obviously didn't. So what exactly was your point?
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2016-04-26 23:51:44
Hillary will not be running on the woman card anymore. Instead, she would like everyone to focus on her time as First Lady during the most Anti-gay administration in American History.
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By Altimaomega 2016-04-26 23:53:32
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Hillary will not be running on the woman card anymore. Instead, she would like everyone to focus on her time as First Lady during the most Anti-gay administration in American History.
While she stood with her womanizing, lying, husband.
What could possibly go wrong!
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By Asura.Saevel 2016-04-27 01:14:27
Oh this Primary is getting funnier by the week. Trump at 950 delegates so far, 57% of the total, Cruz far behind and Kasich not even on the rear mirror anymore. They've had to team up to try to block the nomination, not win it but actually force a contested convention so the RNC can bypass the democratic process.
That was the worst possible move they could of made as all it did was fuel the anti-establishment fire even more and give Trump another boost. People are supporting Trump precisely because they are tired of the primaries being rigged and then you got the other two publicly attempting to rig it.
This election is going to be super fun to watch all the die hards on both sides lose their collective ***.
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By Ramyrez 2016-04-27 07:29:27
What's funny to me is people who think Trump isn't part of the establishment.
He's merely been on the one greasing palms, not getting greased, for the past 30 years.
By Jetackuu 2016-04-27 07:33:50
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »during the most Anti-gay administration in American History. lolwhat?
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By Jetackuu 2016-04-27 07:39:31
If your business can't succeed without paying your employees below minimum wage, you deserve to fail.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-04-27 08:15:15
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »during the most Anti-gay administration in American History. lolwhat?
Either he's secretly a closet hipster and that was a poor attempt being ironic or meant to say most pro-gay administration in American history.
Lots of points and the spoiler feature is broken.
Pro-gay moments in the Clinton Administration 92-00'
Hate Crimes Sentencing Enhancement Act of 1994
James C. Hormel appointed ambassador to Luxembourg 1997 who was blocked by the Republican Senate then pushed through in 1999.
In June 1999, President Clinton issued the first Gay and Lesbian Pride Month proclamation
Executive Order prohibiting discrimination based on sexual orientation in the Federal civilian workforce
Executive Order mandating that security clearances no longer be denied based on sexual orientation.
Clinton supports the Supreme Court' s decision in Bragdon v. Abbott
Supreme Court voted to overturn Colorado' s Amendment 2, declaring such anti-gay ballot initiatives unconstitutional violations of the Equal Protection clause of the Constitution.
Fought for the repeal of the Dornan amendment, which required the expulsion of all HIV-positive military service members regardless of their ability to do their jobs
Clinton' s Administration is the first ever to grant asylum for gays and lesbians facing persecution in other countries
Clinton fought for and signed the Kennedy-Kassebaum Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, which bans insurance discrimination against people with pre-existing medical conditions including HIV/AIDS
In January 1999, President Clinton advocated for gay and lesbian issues in his State of the Union remarks, the first president ever to do so.
Clinton appointed openly gay men and lesbians to all levels government, including judicial appointments and top Executive Branch positions requiring Senate confirmation. In fact, President Clinton is the first President to appoint an openly gay or lesbian person to an Administration post. The President has appointed more than 150 openly gay and lesbian appointees, including:
· Virginia Apuzzo, the former Assistant to the President for Management and Administration (the first openly gay or lesbian Assistant to the President); Karen Tramontano, Assistant to the President and Counselor to the Chief of Staff; and Sean Maloney, Assistant to the President and Staff Secretary. They are the highest-ranking openly gay or lesbian people ever to serve in the Federal Government;
· Fred Hochberg, Deputy Administrator of the Small Business Administration, the first openly gay person to be appointed Deputy in an U.S. cabinet-level agency;
· Former Director of the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office Bruce Lehman, the first openly gay man to be confirmed by the U.S. Senate;
· Former Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Roberta Achtenberg, the first open lesbian confirmed by the U.S. Senate, served in this position from 1993 to 1995;
· Gail Shibley, the Director of External Communications for the Federal Highway Administration;
· Vic Basile, the Director of Private Sector Cooperation and International Volunteerism for the Peace Corps;
· Romulo Diaz, Assistant Administrator for Administration and Resources Management at the Environmental Protection Agency;
· John Berry, Assistant Secretary for Policy, Management and Budget for the Department of Interior;
· Robert Raben, nominee for Assistant Attorney General for Legislative Affairs, Department of Justice;
· Harold Creel, Jr., Chairman, Federal Maritime Commission;
· Todd Dickinson, Deputy Assistant Secretary of Commerce and Deputy Commissioner, Patent and Trademark Office;
· Elaine Kaplan, Special Counsel, Office of Special Counsel;
· Jesse White, Jr., Federal Co-Chairman, Appalachian Regional Commission;
· Todd Summers, Deputy Director of the White House Office of National AIDS Policy; and
· Daniel C. Montoya, Executive Director of the Presidential Advisory Council on HIV/AIDS.
and this isn't everything
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By fonewear 2016-04-27 08:27:06
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »during the most Anti-gay administration in American History. lolwhat?
Either he's secretly a closet hipster and that was a poor attempt being ironic or meant to say most pro-gay administration in American history.
Lots of points and the spoiler feature is broken.
Pro-gay moments in the Clinton Administration 92-00'
Hate Crimes Sentencing Enhancement Act of 1994
James C. Hormel appointed ambassador to Luxembourg 1997 who was blocked by the Republican Senate then pushed through in 1999.
In June 1999, President Clinton issued the first Gay and Lesbian Pride Month proclamation
Executive Order prohibiting discrimination based on sexual orientation in the Federal civilian workforce
Executive Order mandating that security clearances no longer be denied based on sexual orientation.
Clinton supports the Supreme Court' s decision in Bragdon v. Abbott
Supreme Court voted to overturn Colorado' s Amendment 2, declaring such anti-gay ballot initiatives unconstitutional violations of the Equal Protection clause of the Constitution.
Fought for the repeal of the Dornan amendment, which required the expulsion of all HIV-positive military service members regardless of their ability to do their jobs
Clinton' s Administration is the first ever to grant asylum for gays and lesbians facing persecution in other countries
Clinton fought for and signed the Kennedy-Kassebaum Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, which bans insurance discrimination against people with pre-existing medical conditions including HIV/AIDS
In January 1999, President Clinton advocated for gay and lesbian issues in his State of the Union remarks, the first president ever to do so.
Clinton appointed openly gay men and lesbians to all levels government, including judicial appointments and top Executive Branch positions requiring Senate confirmation. In fact, President Clinton is the first President to appoint an openly gay or lesbian person to an Administration post. The President has appointed more than 150 openly gay and lesbian appointees, including:
· Virginia Apuzzo, the former Assistant to the President for Management and Administration (the first openly gay or lesbian Assistant to the President); Karen Tramontano, Assistant to the President and Counselor to the Chief of Staff; and Sean Maloney, Assistant to the President and Staff Secretary. They are the highest-ranking openly gay or lesbian people ever to serve in the Federal Government;
· Fred Hochberg, Deputy Administrator of the Small Business Administration, the first openly gay person to be appointed Deputy in an U.S. cabinet-level agency;
· Former Director of the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office Bruce Lehman, the first openly gay man to be confirmed by the U.S. Senate;
· Former Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Roberta Achtenberg, the first open lesbian confirmed by the U.S. Senate, served in this position from 1993 to 1995;
· Gail Shibley, the Director of External Communications for the Federal Highway Administration;
· Vic Basile, the Director of Private Sector Cooperation and International Volunteerism for the Peace Corps;
· Romulo Diaz, Assistant Administrator for Administration and Resources Management at the Environmental Protection Agency;
· John Berry, Assistant Secretary for Policy, Management and Budget for the Department of Interior;
· Robert Raben, nominee for Assistant Attorney General for Legislative Affairs, Department of Justice;
· Harold Creel, Jr., Chairman, Federal Maritime Commission;
· Todd Dickinson, Deputy Assistant Secretary of Commerce and Deputy Commissioner, Patent and Trademark Office;
· Elaine Kaplan, Special Counsel, Office of Special Counsel;
· Jesse White, Jr., Federal Co-Chairman, Appalachian Regional Commission;
· Todd Summers, Deputy Director of the White House Office of National AIDS Policy; and
· Daniel C. Montoya, Executive Director of the Presidential Advisory Council on HIV/AIDS.
and this isn't everything
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