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Random Politics & Religion #03
By Ramyrez 2016-04-26 14:02:54
What's annoying with y'all is when one of us West Coast folk ask you how far a is location from a place and you answer in time.
"about 3hrs".
Ok but how far is it?
"Around 3hrs'... I swear.
MILES DON'T MEAN ANYTHING WHEN THE ROAD CURVES AROUND MOUNTAINS AND YOU'RE STUCK BEHIND A LOGGING TRUCK.
By Ramyrez 2016-04-26 14:03:35
Looking back on it, caps lock was probably unnecessary, but I regret nothing.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-04-26 14:06:32
As the crow flies over said truck it poops on your windshield...er caps locked post.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2016-04-26 15:05:38
http://www.dol.gov/whd/overtime/nprm2015/
Quote: Today the Department of Labor has announced a proposed rule that would extend overtime protections to nearly 5 million white collar workers within the first year of its implementation. Failure to update the overtime regulations has left an exception to overtime eligibility originally meant for highly-compensated executive, administrative, and professional employees now applying to workers earning as little as $23,660 a year. For example, a convenience store manager, fast food assistant manager, or some office workers may be expected to work 50 or 60 hours a week or more, making less than the poverty level for a family of four, and not receive a dime of overtime pay. Today’s proposed regulation is a critical first step toward ensuring that hard-working Americans are compensated fairly and have a chance to get ahead. Long, long overdue.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2016-04-26 15:11:27
http://www.dol.gov/whd/overtime/nprm2015/
Quote: Today the Department of Labor has announced a proposed rule that would extend overtime protections to nearly 5 million white collar workers within the first year of its implementation. Failure to update the overtime regulations has left an exception to overtime eligibility originally meant for highly-compensated executive, administrative, and professional employees now applying to workers earning as little as $23,660 a year. For example, a convenience store manager, fast food assistant manager, or some office workers may be expected to work 50 or 60 hours a week or more, making less than the poverty level for a family of four, and not receive a dime of overtime pay. Today’s proposed regulation is a critical first step toward ensuring that hard-working Americans are compensated fairly and have a chance to get ahead. Long, long overdue.
Ideas like that a ludicrous. Never in my post college career have I been paid extra for anything over 40 hours.
Welcome to the real world where you're expected to work a little harder if the job demands it.
By fonewear 2016-04-26 19:58:41
This thread isn't locked yet ?
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-04-26 20:10:21
http://www.dol.gov/whd/overtime/nprm2015/
Quote: Today the Department of Labor has announced a proposed rule that would extend overtime protections to nearly 5 million white collar workers within the first year of its implementation. Failure to update the overtime regulations has left an exception to overtime eligibility originally meant for highly-compensated executive, administrative, and professional employees now applying to workers earning as little as $23,660 a year. For example, a convenience store manager, fast food assistant manager, or some office workers may be expected to work 50 or 60 hours a week or more, making less than the poverty level for a family of four, and not receive a dime of overtime pay. Today’s proposed regulation is a critical first step toward ensuring that hard-working Americans are compensated fairly and have a chance to get ahead. Long, long overdue.
This is nice to see. And yeah, long time coming.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-04-26 20:10:51
No Fone but I am sure you can help.
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By Cruz Missive 2016-04-26 20:15:47
Ideas like that a ludicrous. Never in my post college career have I been paid extra for anything over 40 hours.
Welcome to the real world where you're expected to work a little harder if the job demands it.
Counterpoint: people should be paid for the work they do.
If a $40k salary is negotiated with the expectation of 40 hrs/wk, and you're working 60 routinely? That's bad faith on the part of the employer.
Your limited time on this planet is what you sell to companies. Don't give them a *** discount.
By fonewear 2016-04-26 20:21:03
I heard Bernie won...most likely to not win any highly populated state today !
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-04-26 20:25:00
Bernie wins hearts and minds. His voters are passionate.
Hill's voters are resigned.
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By Sylph.Jeanpaul 2016-04-26 20:25:09
Ideas like that a ludicrous. Never in my post college career have I been paid extra for anything over 40 hours.
Welcome to the real world where you're expected to work a little harder if the job demands it. Counterpoint: people should be paid for the work they do.
If a $40k salary is negotiated with the expectation of 40 hrs/wk, and you're working 60 routinely? That's bad faith on the part of the employer.
Your limited time on this planet is what you sell to companies. Don't give them a *** discount. I quit the first job I had out of college for being this exact situation. Wasn't helping that they didn't like me having a life and interests outside of work that would conflict with me staying late either.
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By fonewear 2016-04-26 20:25:13
Ideas like that a ludicrous. Never in my post college career have I been paid extra for anything over 40 hours.
Welcome to the real world where you're expected to work a little harder if the job demands it.
Counterpoint: people should be paid for the work they do.
If a $40k salary is negotiated with the expectation of 40 hrs/wk, and you're working 60 routinely? That's bad faith on the part of the employer.
Your limited time on this planet is what you sell to companies. Don't give them a *** discount.
I think we need to raise taxes on the 1% to say 90% of income !
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-04-26 20:30:49
I think we need to raise taxes on the 1% to say 90% of income ! We did that once you know. In the mid 20th century. 92% marginal. (I am sure King will explain if asked.)
Those years are considered golden years by the ... I want to say GOP but it isn't just them, by a whole fricking lot of us. Me included.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-04-26 20:41:03
You need to go back to negotiating school you got taken like a chump!
Get a real job you hippie!
boycott p&r3!
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By Cruz Missive 2016-04-26 20:48:12
You need to go back to negotiating school you got taken like a chump!
Get a real job you hippie!
I was making the math obvious, since a couple pages of reading prove there's a lot of basic mathematical deficiency floatin' around here
And welcome back to P+R! I knew you wouldn't leave us forever.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-04-26 20:51:12
I think we need to raise taxes on the 1% to say 90% of income ! We did that once you know. In the mid 20th century. 92% marginal. (I am sure King will explain if asked.)
Those years are considered golden years by the ... I want to say GOP but it isn't just them, by a whole fricking lot of us. Me included. You mean the magical time where everything was deductible?
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-04-26 20:51:43
You need to go back to negotiating school you got taken like a chump! To do what? Negotiate a refund?
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2016-04-26 22:14:47
Ideas like that a ludicrous. Never in my post college career have I been paid extra for anything over 40 hours.
Welcome to the real world where you're expected to work a little harder if the job demands it.
Counterpoint: people should be paid for the work they do.
If a $40k salary is negotiated with the expectation of 40 hrs/wk, and you're working 60 routinely? That's bad faith on the part of the employer.
Your limited time on this planet is what you sell to companies. Don't give them a *** discount.
And if I''m am employer why would I pick the guy willing to only work 40 hours a week when someone else will be more competitive and work until the job is done? Why shouldn't I have that choice?
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-04-26 22:19:14
That choice still exists.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2016-04-26 22:22:39
That choice still exists.
No, it doesn't, not if they want to pay them the same.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-04-26 22:25:19
It's getting harder and harder to exploit people these days.
By Altimaomega 2016-04-26 22:32:20
This is an interesting topic.
If you negotiate a salary with the expectation of 40 hrs/wk and your boss is demanding 60. Grow some balls and say no.
Oh wait.. Can't do that anymore because hundreds of people are waiting in line for your shitty 40 hr/wk (which is really 60 hr/wk) job.. Gee! Wonder how that happened..?
Saying that however does not make up for it being a massive *** move to not pay overtime.
But what are we discussing here? Being told you have to work 60hrs when the job required 40hrs to start or being stupid enough to sign onto a salary with the small print saying you'll be working 60hrs most the time with no overtime?
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By Altimaomega 2016-04-26 22:32:51
It's getting harder and harder to exploit people these days.
Not really...
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2016-04-26 22:36:01
There's also been various sociological studies indicating correlation to higher education levels and lower crime rates.
Forgive me. I don't feel up to linking every single study and article at the moment.
To singularly applaud gun-ownership as a crime deterrent and call it a day is a far too simplistic and self-serving answer.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2016-04-26 22:37:03
Grrr...Wrong thread.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2016-04-26 22:38:04
It's getting harder and harder to exploit people these days.
Does anyone honestly start a job and act surprised when they need to work longer when deadlines approach?
Did you automatically get better grades if you sat in the library after school? Or did you actually need to, you know, study something to make that work?
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By Cruz Missive 2016-04-26 22:38:07
Nah, the gun discussion should come in here anyway, it's not really Trump related.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-04-26 22:41:00
This is an interesting topic.
If you negotiate a salary with the expectation of 40 hrs/wk and your boss is demanding 60. Grow some balls and say no.
Oh wait.. Can't do that anymore because hundreds of people are waiting in line for your shitty 40 hr/wk (which is really 60 hr/wk) job.. Gee! Wonder how that happened..?
Saying that however does not make up for it being a massive *** move to not pay overtime.
But what are we discussing here? Being told you have to work 60hrs when the job required 40hrs to start or being stupid enough to sign onto a salary with the small print saying you'll be working 60hrs most the time with no overtime?
Apparently we are discussing that in the real world, you should just work overtime without raising the alarm, because reasons. When I worked for the VA we had to do mandatory paid overtime. I would never have done it for free, I am not that charitable. If the work can't get done in a 40 hour work week, thats not my problem. I got my caseload done without issue. I don't see the negative of this proposed rule.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-04-26 22:42:51
It's getting harder and harder to exploit people these days.
Does anyone honestly start a job and act surprised when they need to work longer when deadlines approach?
Did you automatically get better grades if you sat in the library after school? Or did you actually need to, you know, study something to make that work?
How are these two related exactly? I don't see the connection between studying for tests and paid overtime.
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