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 Cerberus.Pleebo
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-04-16 23:19:40
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This is the exact reason I mention how many generations I have overseen. It's not about how many vaccinations and antibiotics you can pump into your herd to keep it healthy. It how Healthy you can keep your herd without using as many vaccines and antibiotics that you can.

The Healthiest animals have the least amount of vaccines and antibiotics! Now, am I gonna tell you vaccines and antibiotics are bad, don't use them! No! I'm going to tell you to
No one cares about your eyeballed experiences and recollection bias. Vaccines are incredibly effective at preventing disease. Motherfucking period. End of story.
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By Altimaomega 2016-04-16 23:21:57
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A greater proportion of a population being vaccinated reduces the ability of a disease to travel through that population.

Wonder how many of the 20+million illegal aliens and refugees we let in our country are vaccinated..
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By Altimaomega 2016-04-16 23:23:22
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Altimaomega said: »
This is the exact reason I mention how many generations I have overseen. It's not about how many vaccinations and antibiotics you can pump into your herd to keep it healthy. It how Healthy you can keep your herd without using as many vaccines and antibiotics that you can.

The Healthiest animals have the least amount of vaccines and antibiotics! Now, am I gonna tell you vaccines and antibiotics are bad, don't use them! No! I'm going to tell you to
No one cares about your eyeballed experiences and recollection bias. Vaccines are incredibly effective at preventing disease. Motherfucking period. End of story.

You are not listening to what is being said.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-04-16 23:25:03
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Altimaomega said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
A greater proportion of a population being vaccinated reduces the ability of a disease to travel through that population.

Wonder how many of the 20+million illegal aliens and refugees we let in our country are vaccinated..
This is actually an argument FOR vaccination, lol.
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By Altimaomega 2016-04-16 23:25:05
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I've held off on my usual "shoot first, ask questions never" on this topic. That was obviously a mistake, and that particular bit of leniency is over.
I could have told you that. xD

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Both of you need to spend some time in the public health journals.
Who says I/we don't?
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By Altimaomega 2016-04-16 23:26:05
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A greater proportion of a population being vaccinated reduces the ability of a disease to travel through that population.

Wonder how many of the 20+million illegal aliens and refugees we let in our country are vaccinated..
This is actually an argument FOR vaccination, lol.

No, it is an argument about Herd Immunity and how to keep it viable. Try and keep up.
 
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By Drama Torama 2016-04-16 23:32:00
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If you're going to do the smug Pete Carroll, you really have to use this one:

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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-04-16 23:32:20
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Altimaomega said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Altimaomega said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
A greater proportion of a population being vaccinated reduces the ability of a disease to travel through that population.

Wonder how many of the 20+million illegal aliens and refugees we let in our country are vaccinated..
This is actually an argument FOR vaccination, lol.

No, it is an argument about Herd Immunity and how to keep it viable. Try and keep up.
I can't even with this.

So I won't.
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By Odin.Slore 2016-04-16 23:35:29
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Altimaomega said: »
This is the exact reason I mention how many generations I have overseen. It's not about how many vaccinations and antibiotics you can pump into your herd to keep it healthy. It how Healthy you can keep your herd without using as many vaccines and antibiotics that you can.

The Healthiest animals have the least amount of vaccines and antibiotics! Now, am I gonna tell you vaccines and antibiotics are bad, don't use them! No! I'm going to tell you to
No one cares about your eyeballed experiences and recollection bias. Vaccines are incredibly effective at preventing disease. Motherfucking period. End of story.

I cannot believe that Pleebo and I are agreeing on something. Buy a lotto ticket.
 
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By Jetackuu 2016-04-16 23:42:08
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Am I the only one who doesn't know who that Pete guy is?
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By Altimaomega 2016-04-16 23:43:04
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Am I the only one who doesn't know who that Pete guy is?

You'd have to care. I don't either.
 
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2016-04-16 23:46:31
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cows!
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By Altimaomega 2016-04-16 23:46:45
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Am I the only one who doesn't know who that Pete guy is?

You'd have to care. I don't either.

What do you care about that makes sense?

Perhaps you should be asking yourself that question.
 
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By Altimaomega 2016-04-16 23:55:04
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Am I the only one who doesn't know who that Pete guy is?

You'd have to care. I don't either.

What do you care about that makes sense?

Perhaps you should be asking yourself that question.

Well, I know that only irresponsible parents don't vaccinate their kids. I care about the dumb people spreading disease needlessly.

Yeah, I care about that. I think most sane people do.

Good thing mine are vaccinated then huh.
 
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By Altimaomega 2016-04-17 00:05:03
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Fairly certain that is uncalled for.
 
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By Altimaomega 2016-04-17 00:12:50
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HA! GL with that.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-04-17 00:14:43
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Its like you post just so you can be "herd"
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-04-17 00:22:19
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By Asura.Saevel 2016-04-17 00:41:26
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Oh, so, you do understand how herd immunity works, and just reject your personal role in it? Holy ***. That's so much worse.

It's not immunity, it does jack ***for others.

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Because your only infected for two to forty eight hours, there is less time for you to spread the infection which lowers the total number of infected. You don't need the entire population vaccinated for this, not even half, and proper prevention and care achieves the same result without requiring forced vaccination.

Again highly misunderstood concept. Vaccinating people doesn't protect non-vaccinated from the virus. If you are vaccinated and come into contact with that virus, you will still contract it and if afterward you come into contact with another person, they will still contract it from you. If that other person is unvaccinated they will get sick, regardless of you being vaccinated. Your antibodies do nothing for them.

The only difference is that you will be contagious for a day or less instead of a week. That will alter how many total infections, but it doesn't "protect the old / young / weak". If one of them comes into contact with a vaccinated yet infected person it's no different then if they come into contact with a unvaccinated person.

Mass vaccinations are only really important in third world countries where living conditions are so unsanitary that epidemics decimate the population. Basic sanitation and clean living conditions make "herd immunity" a complete *** excuse used to drum of fear. "If Mr Burns doesn't get little Johny vaccinated then it will hurt my son Benjamin". Which is the line that has been pushed so far.
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By Asura.Saevel 2016-04-17 00:44:47
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Again don't straw-man. This isn't about whether vaccines are good or not, anyone who thinks they are bad is an idiot. It's about whether it's appropriate to spread fear and *** to scare people into vaccinating their kids. Or worse, whether it's "ok" to force someone to be vaccinated, against their will / without their consent.

See people keep dancing around that part, the suggestion that there should be no choice in the matter. Some pretty immoral and horrific ***right there.
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