Do You Think America Has A War On Christmas?

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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-12-24 14:17:40
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Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
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It is not about what I celebrate. You don't know anything about the other person. So instead of being presumptuous you can say happy holidays as there are other holidays.

I wouldn't tell an orthodox Jew "Merry Christmas" because that is just silly. I might as well ask him if he likes bacon and shrimp.

Your argument comes down to "don't wish someone a holiday if they don't celebrate it".

How do you know anyone celebrates any holiday? Some people don't celebrate st patricks day, are you not suppose to say happy st patty's day when it's st patty's day? Some people hate valentines day, so that means you shouldn't wish anyone a happy valentines day?

Do people still say happy holidays on new year's eve?

I don't celebrate St Patrick's day because St Patrick was a ***. Same for Columbus.

Anyway, yes New Years is part of the "Happy Holidays" line as its only 6 days apart.

What is wrong with not wishing people this or that? We don't tell Europeans "Happy Thanksgiving" or "4th of July" because that is just silly.

We have plenty of nondenominational holidays like the three just mentioned. I just personally don't want to be presumptuous as I am one of those who doesn't give a rats *** about the ridiculous nativity scenes people put up.
I am not saying there is anything wrong with sending warm regards, but in a global society within America in December. There is more than Santa going on.

Well there we have it folks. He's offended at St Patrick's Day and Columbus Day, so keep it to yourself.

I would wish any foreigner a happy fourth of July.

I don't get offended when people wish me a happy Haunnaka. I don't really say it back because I don't really celebrate them. However, it's entirely appropriate from one person to say Merry christmas and the other to respond with Happy Haunnaka.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2015-12-24 14:31:50
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He never said he was offended by it. I think Columbus Day is a joke because the guy got lost and discovered an inhabited island. That doesn't mean it offends me.
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By Phoenix.Xantavia 2015-12-24 14:35:05
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I take offense at the people who wish me a Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays on the 25th, followed up by a "It's a shame that make you work today. Smile, its Christmas. Now gimme two tickets for Star Wars"
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By Phoenix.Demonjustin 2015-12-24 14:43:12
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Another one who doesn't get it.

You're not endorsing someone's holiday when you wish them a merry Christmas, you're telling them you are celebrating Christmas. When you wish someone a happy birthday you're celebrating their birthday.
That comparison is complete ***...

I walk up to you, I say Merry Christmas, and going by what you said, I'm informing you that I am celebrating Christmas.
I walk up to you, I say happy birthday, and apparently, I am informing you that I am celebrating my birthday? No, no I'm not, no one says that.

Generally, when you say "happy/merry something" you're hoping that they enjoy that specific occasion, not that you're celebrating that occasion yourself. By saying Merry Christmas, you're wishing them to have a Merry Christmas, but if they don't celebrate the day it's little different than saying merry Tuesday. It shouldn't be offensive, but it also isn't quite normal nor what you actually meant. This is the reason Happy Holidays works much more effectively, because you're wishing them to enjoy their holiday regardless of what it is.

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The reason people say happy holidays instead of saying merry Christmas is because there are people who are simply offended at Christmas. Yes they do exist, but in a country where over 95% of people celebrate the holiday, it's stupid that we need to water it down a bit as to not offend anyone.
As I said, they're morons. I don't know what more need be said.

I say Happy Holidays, why? Because I like to include everyone and have no religious ties to any holiday, so why not do so? If you wanna say Merry Christmas then do so, I don't care, nor should anyone else.
 
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-12-24 16:17:00
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Phoenix.Demonjustin said: »
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Another one who doesn't get it.

You're not endorsing someone's holiday when you wish them a merry Christmas, you're telling them you are celebrating Christmas. When you wish someone a happy birthday you're celebrating their birthday.
That comparison is complete ***...

I walk up to you, I say Merry Christmas, and going by what you said, I'm informing you that I am celebrating Christmas.
I walk up to you, I say happy birthday, and apparently, I am informing you that I am celebrating my birthday? No, no I'm not, no one says that.

Generally, when you say "happy/merry something" you're hoping that they enjoy that specific occasion, not that you're celebrating that occasion yourself. By saying Merry Christmas, you're wishing them to have a Merry Christmas, but if they don't celebrate the day it's little different than saying merry Tuesday. It shouldn't be offensive, but it also isn't quite normal nor what you actually meant. This is the reason Happy Holidays works much more effectively, because you're wishing them to enjoy their holiday regardless of what it is.

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The reason people say happy holidays instead of saying merry Christmas is because there are people who are simply offended at Christmas. Yes they do exist, but in a country where over 95% of people celebrate the holiday, it's stupid that we need to water it down a bit as to not offend anyone.
As I said, they're morons. I don't know what more need be said.

I say Happy Holidays, why? Because I like to include everyone and have no religious ties to any holiday, so why not do so? If you wanna say Merry Christmas then do so, I don't care, nor should anyone else.
If you tell someone "Happy Birthday" you are celebrating their birthday.

If you tell someone "merry Christmas" again you are the one celebrating the event.

Do you say happy holidays on new years eve?
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By Bismarck.Magnuss 2015-12-24 16:22:08
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Again, though...

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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-12-24 16:35:37
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Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
Never said the days offend me and everyone should keep it to themselves.

How is it not rude of you to not really say anythong back when those great Jewish vibes and warm wishes come your way, Nausi? It is just about wishing someone well right?!

See I also don't want to be wished a happy Ramadan for example because I'm not a Muslim and it is stupid.
It doesn't offend me or anything. Not much really does, but I would rather someone just wished me a good *** day/weekend instead.

Because it isn't rude of me to not recognize or celebrate any particular holiday.
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By Jassik 2015-12-24 16:44:38
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
If you tell someone "Happy Birthday" you are celebrating their birthday.

If you tell someone "merry Christmas" again you are the one celebrating the event.

Do you say happy holidays on new years eve?

While I don't necessarily disagree, birthdays and new years are both secular holidays.

At least in the case of Christmas, the way Americans celebrate it has as much to do with the religious holiday as it does with auto-repair.
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By Phoenix.Demonjustin 2015-12-24 16:51:08
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
If you tell someone "Happy Birthday" you are celebrating their birthday.
Weird, I thought it meant you were wishing them a happy birthday, which is why they generally say thank you in return.

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If you tell someone "merry Christmas" again you are the one celebrating the event.
I thought you were wishing them good tidings in regards to Christmas, not simply saying "I am celebrating Christmas".

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Do you say happy holidays on new years eve?
Up to, and on, yeah. I tend to say it regarding every holiday from Thanksgiving through New Years, past that they're too spread.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-12-24 16:55:22
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Merry Christmas Everyone! It's that time where I am.








And Happy Holidays!



And God Bless everyone here on FFIXAH!
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-12-24 16:56:49
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Jassik said: »
At least in the case of Christmas, the way Americans celebrate it has as much to do with the religious holiday as it does with auto-repair.

That's not true. I'm pretty sure there's an account in the Bible of the Wise Men trampling each other and fistfighting over who gets to purchase the last Balaam's Donkey Action Figure in stock. You can't beat those day-after-Rosh-Chodesh-Kislev deals, man.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-12-24 17:00:41
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Jassik said: »
At least in the case of Christmas, the way Americans celebrate it has as much to do with the religious holiday as it does with auto-repair.

That's not true. I'm pretty sure there's an account in the Bible of the Wise Men trampling each other and fistfighting over who gets to purchase the last Balaam's Donkey Action Figure in stock. You can't beat those day-after-Rosh-Chodesh-Kislev deals, man.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2015-12-24 17:30:39
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Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
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I wouldn't tell an orthodox Jew "Merry Christmas" because that is just silly. I might as well ask him if he likes bacon and shrimp.
There is a great Xmas tradition among us Jews of going out to Chinese restaurants for dinner. There are two reasons for this.

1, They are open.

2, A chance to eat treif. Which means unclean. (Kosher translates to clean.)

All my orthodox uncles used to love to eat oysters at Conney Island, and shrimp is some kind of stereotypical food for Jewish Princess. Hint, both are treif.

Many of us do celebrate Xmas. My personal problems with Xmas come from having been forced to "celebrate" it in public school.
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By fonewear 2015-12-24 18:33:25
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Only 4 pages this thread needs global warming. It is in the 60 degree range on Christmas we are all doomed I tells ya !


http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/23/study-global-warming-will-be-a-mass-christmas-tree-killer-by-2100/

http://phys.org/news/2015-12-climate-grinch-stole-europe-christmas.html
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By fonewear 2015-12-24 18:35:38
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How the Grinch stole climate change a modern take on a Dr. Seuss classic !
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By Garuda.Chanti 2015-12-24 18:42:30
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fonewear said: »
Only 4 pages this thread needs global warming. It is in the 60 degree range on Christmas we are all doomed I tells ya !


http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/23/study-global-warming-will-be-a-mass-christmas-tree-killer-by-2100/

http://phys.org/news/2015-12-climate-grinch-stole-europe-christmas.html
Wrong thread Fone, should be in AGW Theory - Discussion.

Indeed I think I will copypasta it there.
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By fonewear 2015-12-24 18:53:27
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That is true but all roads lead to global warming !
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By fonewear 2015-12-24 18:54:09
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The happy holidays to me is fine but to me a holiday makes me think of Holiday Inn...which isn't too happy !
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fonewear said: »
The happy holidays to me is fine but to me a holiday makes me think of Holiday Inn...which isn't too happy !
One of the two worst hotel / motel experiences of my entire life was in a Holiday Inn.

Some fricking holiday....
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By fonewear 2015-12-24 19:33:14
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When I think of holiday I think of vacation like going somewhere warm too. Not necessarily of Christmas.
 
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By Jassik 2015-12-24 21:26:10
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I don't believe in any deity but I still say Merry Christmas freely to people because I'm just wishing them well on the date "December 25th."

Just like the majority also follow a Gregorian calendar and so I wish them a happy new year on january 1st; since it's the internationally majority accepted "new year" I know that everyone will understand the goodwill I'm trying to convey etc

Really, I have never met a person who was offended by "merry christmas", I've only ever heard about them from religious people who claim they're being persecuted because they're no longer solely considered when holiday wishes and decorations are the subject.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2015-12-24 22:09:35
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Which other holidays do you celebrate?
Winter Solstice
St. Lucia's day
Yule
New Years

Many people also celebrate Adevent, St. Nicholas day, Boxing Day, and a variety of other Christian and other religions holidays that occur throughout the month of December.

Unless it is Christmas Eve, Christmas day 1., or Christmas Day 2. I wish everyone happy holidays.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-12-24 22:27:49
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Jassik said: »
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I don't believe in any deity but I still say Merry Christmas freely to people because I'm just wishing them well on the date "December 25th."

Just like the majority also follow a Gregorian calendar and so I wish them a happy new year on january 1st; since it's the internationally majority accepted "new year" I know that everyone will understand the goodwill I'm trying to convey etc

Really, I have never met a person who was offended by "merry christmas", I've only ever heard about them from religious people who claim they're being persecuted because they're no longer solely considered when holiday wishes and decorations are the subject.
Floppy is entirely offended by merry Christmas. He thinks anyone who says it is only thinking about themselves.