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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-08-23 20:39:52
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Donald Trump’s God Problem
Newsweek. A powerful condemnation from a true Christian.

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To House Speaker Paul Ryan and James Dobson:

In recent months, each of you has endorsed Donald Trump in his campaign to become president of the United States. Mr. Speaker, you undoubtedly took this action in hopes of preserving unity within the Republican Party. Mr. Dobson, because you are the founder of Focus on the Family and arguably the most influential evangelical Christian in America, it is much harder to understand your decision, as I will detail below. In this, my third open letter to Speaker Ryan and my first to Mr. Dobson, I urge you both to withdraw your endorsements to save this country and the movements you two men represent.

I want to first state that this letter is not intended to suggest Donald Trump (or any candidate) must be an evangelical or even a Christian to be president. Nor am I implying that his faith or lack thereof should determine how anyone votes this November. Rather, I am discussing what evangelists purport to believe, compared with who and what Trump is. The primary issue here is the credibility of evangelicalism, particularly as it relates to politics. For years, there has been a logic to the evangelists’ support of the Republican Party: Both held similar views on most social issues, and there was more public discussion by conservative candidates about how faith informed their policies. This year, that is not true. Instead, you have a man whose positions on important social issues have changed, whose faith is obviously shallow and who seems to know nothing about even the basics of evangelicalism, Christianity or the Bible. Mr. Dobson, if Donald Trump represents Christian values, those values mean nothing. By endorsing him, evangelists are creating the image that what matters to them is political influence, not the word of God.

Weigh those words against the words of Trump, uttered as he was going through his first divorce: “You know, it doesn’t really matter what [the media] write as long as you’ve got a young and beautiful piece of ***.” This, Mr. Dobson, is your man of the Bible?

Trump’s connection to evangelical beliefs is weak, at best. He has never before expressed any serious connection to the Bible or even a basic understanding of it. He has made occasional holiday appearances at the Marble Collegiate Church in Manhattan, but that fact raises even more questions as to why evangelicals—whether out of habit or hypocrisy—would embrace the Republican candidate this year. Marble earned fame because of its half-century of leadership by Norman Vincent Peale, known best for blending pop psychology with spirituality in a form of Christianity centered on the self. As a child, Trump toddled along with his family to Peale’s sermons, hearing such messages as the one that opens the pastor’s best-selling book The Power of Positive Thinking: “Believe in yourself!” He clearly learned that one.

It’s clear that Trump has had virtually no other exposure to Christianity, with the possible exception of Joel Osteen, another feel-good-about-yourself TV preacher he counts as a friend. How many churchgoers would call Second Corinthians “Two Corinthians,” as he did earlier this year? The name of that epistle from Paul is mentioned whenever passages from it are read during services, yet when caught in the error, Trump didn’t say, “Oops, I have a lot to learn.” Instead, as is his wont, he lied, claiming that lots of Christian churches around the world call the book “Two Corinthians.”

This wasn’t the first time he has lied about the Bible to gain an advantage. In August 2015, after his presidential campaign had begun, Trump said his favorite book is the Bible. In 2007, Trump told Forbes his favorite book was The Art of the Deal, by Donald J. Trump, saying, “It was a great read in 1987, a No. 1 best-seller then, and nothing has changed.” What changed is that he decided to run for president and knew he needed the evangelical vote.

It is a very good bet that Trump has never read the Bible and knows little about even the basics of Christian theology. During the campaign, when asked whether he preferred the Old Testament or New Testament, he replied, “Probably equal.” These are not the words of a man who understands or cares about Christianity.

Asked in 2015 for his favorite biblical passage, he refused to respond, saying it was too personal. Seriously? Later, when pressed again for a biblical passage that influenced him, he latched on to a few words from the Old Testament known even to heretical 6-year-olds. “Well, I think many,’’ he said. “When we get into the Bible, I think many, so many. And some people, look, an eye for an eye, you can almost say that.’’

Of all the words Trump could possibly have selected, he chose some of the few from Mosaic law specifically repudiated by Jesus. Matthew 5: 38-41 quotes Jesus as saying, “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles.” Trump is famous for seeking revenge against anyone who opposes him—including you, Mr. Speaker—and suing rather than handing over his coat, so it is not surprising he doesn’t know that the Old Testament passage of vengeance was supplanted by Jesus’s New Testament message of love and forgiveness.

Trump has referred to the symbolic—or, for you, Mr. Speaker, as a practicing Catholic, the literal—blood and body of Christ taken in communion as “my little wine and my little cracker.” He has also declared that he never asked God for forgiveness because he could handle things himself. That goes against everything in the teachings of Jesus (1 John 1:9, Romans 5:8, Matthew 6:14-15 and so on.)

And this is a man who, according to the beliefs of evangelicals, needs a lot of forgiveness. Just take the Ten Commandments prohibition against adultery. In a sealed deposition taken during divorce proceedings in 1991, Trump refused to answer questions 97 times, the vast majority of which were about various infidelities and suspected mistresses. (Everybody knew the identity of his mistress, since it was daily fodder for the New York tabloids.) Now this was not a criminal case, in which he would have the right to take the Fifth Amendment—he was refusing to answer questions that, if the case went much further, he couldn’t avoid. Trump avoided ever answering those questions by settling instead of going to court, giving up a lot more money than was required under his prenuptial agreement. He went on to marry that mistress. Later he divorced her and married a third time.

As you know, Mr. Dobson, the hypocrisy of divorce among evangelicals has been discussed as a crisis by many of the movement’s leaders, and even Peale said divorce makes someone unfit for the presidency. Are “feel-good” pop-Christians more devoted to the Bible than evangelists?

When standing in front of evangelicals earlier this month, Trump said he needed to win the presidency because “I figure it is probably, maybe the only way I'm going to get to heaven.” I know you understand what that means, Mr. Dobson. Trump does not see faith in Christ as the path to the afterlife. This runs counter to everything taught by the Apostle Paul and by evangelism.

How can a man who claims to be devout know so little about Christianity? There is a term for this, one usually used to describe situations in which the religious are taken financially by someone professing the same faith: affinity fraud. By pretending to be a religious Christian, Trump has fooled those who want to believe he is like them. They are being conned, into giving up not their money but their vote. A man—one who has repeatedly lied after swearing to God to tell the truth, who regularly walks away from financial and personal obligations, who knows nothing about Christianity—has tricked them. He publicly proclaimed his commitment to abortion rights and gay rights when it helped his reputation in New York City and now has reversed himself on both issues while running for president. He declared his own book the best he has ever read, until he realized he needed to praise the Bible to win the support of evangelicals. He is human Silly Putty, endlessly flexible and bearing the imprint of whatever surface he last touched. Mr. Speaker and Mr. Dobson, you have no reason to believe that, once in office, he would not again change his beliefs—on abortion, on homosexuality, on anything of value to evangelicals—with the ease others change their clothes.

What about the Democratic candidate for president, Hillary Clinton? Numerous biographies have detailed her deep religious belief. She maintained a spiritual relationship with the Reverend Don Jones, the youth pastor in her Methodist church during her childhood in Park Ridge, Illinois, for 20 years. She carried a Bible while working on the presidential campaigns of 1972 and 1992. She taught Sunday school. She gave sermons about Methodist theology when she was the first lady of Arkansas. She says grace before meals, she has joined prayer groups. When faced with troubles in her marriage, she stuck with her philandering husband rather than seek a divorce. (Amazingly, evangelicals ridiculed her for not ending her marriage, rather than following the teachings of the Bible on this point.) I am not suggesting that you support Clinton; rather, the point is, if you are going to claim that faith is a primary basis for judging a candidate, then you have to explain why Clinton falls short. There is nothing to suggest her devotion is shallow, while Trump’s purported faith is an obvious fraud.

Speaker Ryan and Mr. Dobson, you are both welcome to gamble on Trump—as a casino operator (hardly a job of the spiritually driven), he is well-trained at taking bets. But should you continue to do so, you will be exposed as fools who can be tricked by any carnival barker or, worse, prove the critics of evangelism right: that it has become an empty shell of political babble that has sacrificed its commitment to the Bible for secular power.

Gentlemen, the choice is stark: Withdraw your endorsements or lose all your credibility. If you want to save what you purport to value dearly, you must condemn Donald Trump.
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2016-08-23 21:08:48
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Yo Bloodrose I don't feel like the establishment Democrat and Republican political parties are traitors.

I know they are.

Globalist like your self and George Soros ilk have tried to paint a picture that the term sovereignty is a bad word and compare it to a nation that cut itself off from the world like Japan did in the past.

The United States of America was never a secluded State that cut itself from the world and it never will be. We as a nation do not depend on the rest of the world. We have and still traded globally in the past without free trade deals and did great. We can do so again without them going forward into the future.

The supreme Court justices are not the final interpreters and arbiters of the Constitution. Because the American people are when they serve as Jurors and Grand Jurors.

As far as this establishment is coming for the american peoples guns they absolutely have with 20,000 laws restricting them. We don't need 19,999 laws restricting our Rights when we already have Law with the Constitution that are inalienable and shall not be infringed upon.

On another note vote for Trump 2016
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-08-23 21:10:09
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Real talk; let's quit posting penises.
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By Phoenix.Xantavia 2016-08-23 21:12:27
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Siren.Lordgrim said: »
Anna Ruthven said: »
I mean... I would block the import but only long enough to make it to where US-made firearms don't have to be import marked. I hate seeing a vintage pistol or rifle with "CAI Georgia VT" etched into it.

Yeah, let's import mark the Statue of Liberty or a priceless painting or something...

Wouldn't have to worry about imports if we cut 20,000 laws restricting our 2nd amendment rights . Doing that alone would would bring back the gun making factories providing jobs to Americans in America and providing economic growth in arms sales in our own nation and abroad with that beautiful Made In the USA.

Not only does that promote making our nation safer from invasion, it would lower crime rates from what we are seeing today. Lastly it's our right to be armed it's not a privilege. That's the American way.
How exactly would repealing 20,000 laws bring factories back to the US? Until it becomes cheaper to make in the US instead of overseas, they are never coming back.
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-08-23 21:15:43
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Phoenix.Xantavia said: »
Siren.Lordgrim said: »
Anna Ruthven said: »
I mean... I would block the import but only long enough to make it to where US-made firearms don't have to be import marked. I hate seeing a vintage pistol or rifle with "CAI Georgia VT" etched into it.

Yeah, let's import mark the Statue of Liberty or a priceless painting or something...

Wouldn't have to worry about imports if we cut 20,000 laws restricting our 2nd amendment rights . Doing that alone would would bring back the gun making factories providing jobs to Americans in America and providing economic growth in arms sales in our own nation and abroad with that beautiful Made In the USA.

Not only does that promote making our nation safer from invasion, it would lower crime rates from what we are seeing today. Lastly it's our right to be armed it's not a privilege. That's the American way.
How exactly would repealing 20,000 laws bring factories back to the US? Until it becomes cheaper to make in the US instead of overseas, they are never coming back.
Also, a lot of our police forces and gun rights activists carry and swear by Glocks....from Austria. Smith & Wesson makes the M&P series right here in 'Murica.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-08-24 10:26:36
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Phoenix.Xantavia said: »
How exactly would repealing 20,000 laws bring factories back to the US? Until it becomes cheaper to make in the US instead of overseas, they are never coming back.

oh don't you go worrying about the details now...in the course of making america great again, president trump will fix all the broken things and stuff....

how come everyone had no problem at all believing that obama, with almost no experience, was going to "fundamentally change the way that we do business in Washington"

but are now absolutely convinced that it's totally impossible trump is going to make any of his lunatic schemes work?
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2016-08-24 15:32:31
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The Donald only has one God ma'am and it's his reflection in the mirror.
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-08-24 15:44:07
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
president trump
Emperor Trump*
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2016-08-24 15:57:26
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
Phoenix.Xantavia said: »
How exactly would repealing 20,000 laws bring factories back to the US? Until it becomes cheaper to make in the US instead of overseas, they are never coming back.

oh don't you go worrying about the details now...in the course of making america great again, president trump will fix all the broken things and stuff....

how come everyone had no problem at all believing that obama, with almost no experience, was going to "fundamentally change the way that we do business in Washington"

but are now absolutely convinced that it's totally impossible trump is going to make any of his lunatic schemes work?
Because gullible?
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-08-24 18:27:08
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How credible is The Daily Beast? Because they are reporting this...

Toppest of kek if it's true.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-08-24 20:03:28
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Anna Ruthven said: »
How credible is The Daily Beast? Because they are reporting this...

Toppest of kek if it's true.
That bit is true.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-08-24 20:25:31
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Sometimes even Texas goes a bit too far...

Travis GOP chairman pokes Donald Trump with 'child rapist' allegation outside Austin rally
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If Donald Trump thought Texas was safe Republican territory in which to campaign, he apparently didn't account for Travis County GOP Chairman Robert Morrow.

Morrow, a far-right wing conservative and avowed #NeverTrump guy, popped up at Tuesday's Trump rally in Austin bearing a sign reading "Trump is a child rapist."

The sign is a reference to a lawsuit filed earlier this year in federal court in New York. A woman filing under the pseudonym "Jane Doe" accused Trump and an associate, Jeffrey Epstein, of raping her multiple times during the summer of 1994, when she was 13.

The accuser, now an adult, said in an affidavit attached to the lawsuit that she and Trump had sex four times in the summer of 1994, with the candidate tying her down and raping her during the last encounter. Trump has denied the allegations.

Morrow is no stranger to making bold accusations about politicians he doesn't like. He's taken on big targets, including former President Bill Clinton, whom he accused of raping a woman in 1978, and ex-Texas Gov. Rick Perry, whom he called "a rampaging bisexual adulterer." (How, exactly, Morrow would have this alleged knowledge is unclear, but he put it out there.)

Morrow, wearing a multi-colored jester hat with bells on the tips, joined a group of other protesters outside of Trump's rally at Luedecke Arena.

Morrow also opted to announce his protest plans on Twitter, prompting several people to a tweet calls for his resignation.

"You are not a Republican," wrote public relations consultant and Trump supporter Nolan Schultz.

A person tweeting under the name of "Slouch" tweeted a picture of a smiling Trump with the words "I am going to be your next president and all you can do is cry about it hahahahaha"

A third person under the handle "Obamatron" tweeted at Morrow the phrase, "@RobMorroLiberty salty *** lil ***"

By Wednesday morning, Morrow posted several anti-Trump tweets and a YouTube video of himself being kicked off the grounds of Trump's rally.

The video shows what appears to be Trump security and, later, Austin police ordering Morrow from the area around the arena, as Hillary Clinton supporters, reporters and other protesters watched, took video and shot pictures.

As for whom he would back for president, Morrow is clear on Twitter: "Vote for 3rd Party. Trump 90% chance of losing anyhow. and if he won - so what?"
The dude's trolley has flat jumped the tracks...

But amusingly so. And he does dress for the part.
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2016-08-24 20:46:51
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Anna Ruthven said: »
How credible is The Daily Beast? Because they are reporting this...

Toppest of kek if it's true.

The daily beast is controlled by the Clinton family.

Chelsea Clinton is on the board of directors of the company that owns the daily beast.
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-08-24 22:14:57
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Something, something, he won't survive the campaign, blah blah blah.

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Here’s where the Trump campaign has spent money on Trump brands
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TLDR: Its a typical Trump operation. Trump spends on Trump products.

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From the moment he announced his candidacy, Donald Trump's campaign for president has been a Trump-branded affair. He slipped down a golden escalator at Trump Tower, wife Melania Trump at his side, for an introduction by daughter Ivanka Trump. He has held subsequent events at Trump properties, bought food from Trump restaurants and kept folks hydrated with Trump Ice water.

Through July, Trump's campaign has spent just shy of $7.7 million on Trump-branded products, including reimbursements to Trump-named surrogates. (July data thanks to Derek Willis of ProPublica and the site's excellent itemizer tool.

(There is a REALLY neat graph that I can't copy.)

The majority of the spending -- $5.6 million of it -- was spent on TAG Air, Trump's private airplanes. That's likely mostly for fuel costs.

The next biggest category is rent for office space at Trump Tower. The Huffington Post reported Monday that the rent had increased substantially in recent months, pointing out that it overlapped with Trump's decision to stop funding his own campaign. It's not entirely clear why the rent increased, though the campaign recently opened office space on the 14th floor of the building. Update: The AP reports that the expansion of the space was most of the reason. (It's also worth noting that Trump didn't start seeing an influx of contributions until July. He only began raising large numbers of contributions for a little over a week at the end of June.) Note that some months show no spending on rent in Trump Tower. For February, rent was paid at the end of January, for example.

One of Trump's biggest single expenses was paying more than $400,000 to his Mar-A-Lago club in Florida in May for facility rental and catering. The campaign has spent about $200,000 at other Trump properties, too, including hotels in New York and Chicago and several of his golf clubs.

A smattering of Trump food brands have gotten money from the campaign, including Trump Ice (as noted above) and Trump Wine (which is owned by son Eric). Eric and Donald Jr. both also received travel reimbursements from the campaign. It's not clear if the money spent at Trump Grill includes 12 bucks for a taco bowl.

This by no means suggests that Trump made money off of his campaign. He himself spent tens of millions of dollars over the first year or so, a debt that he subsequently forgave(*). (His most recent fundraising report indicates that he gave another $2 million to the effort in July.) He'd need to do an awful lot of flying and facility rental to make up for what he has already contributed from his own bank accounts.

What Trump is doing instead is much more obvious: He's hoping to impress voters with the breadth and scale of his business empire. If that means plying them with Trump Wine at Trump National, then so be it.
(*He has yet to file the paperwork with the FEC to forgive the loan.)
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-08-25 20:11:17
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
12 bucks for a taco bowl.
...No.

Also, you never answered me on you distaste for the M1 Garand, grandma Chanti. You hate it because you hurt your thumb, don't you? >.>
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I did answer I thought. Too heavy in the forestock, hard to hold still from a standing pose.
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-08-25 22:29:29
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
I did answer I thought. Too heavy in the forestock, hard to hold still from a standing pose.
Oh. Ehh, I hunt with a Lee-Enfield, full stock and it's the perfect weight to me. Maybe I just like a heavier gun.

The Garand was great for what it was, when it was in service but the reasoning that people here might buy them for criminal use seems idiotic.

For one, they are heavy, only hold 8 rounds and you can lose your clip making the gun into a club, and finally M1 Garands need modification to the gas system to cycle modern ammo iirc. Only an idiot would spend twice the money on a gun and ammo that will perform half as well...if modernized. I don't thing the reasoning holds water. Especially because the government sells these guns via the Civilian Marksmanship Program.
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I love the Garand and its history, its one of the 4 guns I own. But it has no use in modern times. Just loading it is archaic.
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'Mr. Brexit' Nigel Farage Speaks at Donald Trump Rally in Jackson, MS
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-08-26 07:00:05
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Shiva.Viciousss said: »
I love the Garand and its history, its one of the 4 guns I own. But it has no use in modern times. Just loading it is archaic.
Yeah. Would be fun to take out and shoot but hunting with it could be problematic.
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Shiva.Viciousss said: »
I love the Garand and its history, its one of the 4 guns I own. But it has no use in modern times. Just loading it is archaic.
Yeah. Would be fun to take out and shoot but hunting with it could be problematic.
Think there was a mythbuster or something to see what can go further underwater. If I remember right the bullets from the Garand went the furthest and also went through bulletproof glass.

I laughed at that.
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A collection of antique, historical, and influential firearms is something I always would have enjoyed having, but I only have so much space and my sword collection is hard enough to display and keep pristine.
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hard enough for my wife to display and keep ours pristine.

Adjusted for honesty. I'm a guy. It's not that I don't see the value in dusting and polishing, it's just that my wife realizes it needs done about 20% faster than I do and she just does it.
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Ramyrez said: »
A collection of antique, historical, and influential firearms is something I always would have enjoyed having, but I only have so much space and my sword collection is hard enough to display and keep pristine.
Still loving my Lee-Enfield.

Ackeron said: »
Anna Ruthven said: »
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
I love the Garand and its history, its one of the 4 guns I own. But it has no use in modern times. Just loading it is archaic.
Yeah. Would be fun to take out and shoot but hunting with it could be problematic.
Think there was a mythbuster or something to see what can go further underwater. If I remember right the bullets from the Garand went the furthest and also went through bulletproof glass.

I laughed at that.
I could see .30-06 FMJ ball rounds going further underwater than a HP .44 Mag or something but I doubt it'd go through bulletproof glass.
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-08-26 07:41:04
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hard enough for my wife to display and keep ours pristine.

Adjusted for honesty. I'm a guy. It's not that I don't see the value in dusting and polishing, it's just that my wife realizes it needs done about 20% faster than I do and she just does it.
You seem to have found a good one.
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Ramyrez said: »
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hard enough for my wife to display and keep ours pristine.

Adjusted for honesty. I'm a guy. It's not that I don't see the value in dusting and polishing, it's just that my wife realizes it needs done about 20% faster than I do and she just does it.
You seem to have found a good one.

The best one!
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Ramyrez said: »
Anna Ruthven said: »
Ramyrez said: »
Ramyrez said: »
hard enough for my wife to display and keep ours pristine.

Adjusted for honesty. I'm a guy. It's not that I don't see the value in dusting and polishing, it's just that my wife realizes it needs done about 20% faster than I do and she just does it.
You seem to have found a good one.

The best one!
Easy now, Trump.
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Easy now, Trump.

*shrug*
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