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Remind me later will ya? I just can't be bothered doing it on my phone.

Yeah I agree. We have no illegal immigrants in the US.

The guy was British, and it's funny because most of the British people I know -- while not big on Trump, because they're super liberal -- are actually pretty anti-Hillary and "meh" Trump. To them he's just another piece of ***American politician, where she's a war-mongering murderer.

Pleebo meanwhile subscribes to the same "pants wetting" rhetoric of "guns are bad" propagated by the left ad nauseum.

Guns are bad drugs are bad so don't do guns !

Interesting enough, I succesfully drove home while eating some fatt food with a concealed weapong to immedately smoke and drink on my porch and
Oh this argument. Yeah, then we should just open more doors to harm people. While we are at it we should let the rapists and murders go. Chances of them actually doing anything to YOU is statistically lower than everything you listed.

Do you think if a tea partier tried to assassinate Clinton, it would be more than 30 minutes before we knew about it?

My post got messed up. Honestly no idea what happened lol.

I've never been witness to this claim in 3-4 years hanging around this stupid site.

Ya quoted twice, chief, a mod might come by and fix it for ya.

The point Ramy was making is that the threat of terrorism is highly emotional despite the significantly lower frequency when compared to things we can anticipate and more easily mitigate like poor health or natural hazards.

Which claim specifically? Pleebo certainly loves him some more gun control.

-63% of the United States population is White.
-76% or so of the United States population is Christian.
-At least 43% of all violent crimes are committed by White Americans. 8% of crimes have no race attributed.
-83% of White Americans murdered were murdered by another White American.

-Islamic practitioners make up 0.9% of the population.
-Muslims fall into the 12% of violent crimes committed by every demographic that isn't White/Black/Latino.

While it's an assumption, like yours, mine is backed by hard numbers and statistics from the FBI.

I will throw you a bone though. If you're a Black American, chances are you'll be killed by a Black Christian before a White Christian. Both of which are still massively more likely to occur than being killed my a Muslim.

Besides, who said anything about devout Christians? A devout Christian wouldn't murder someone in the first place.

If you think ISIS and similar groups are devout Islamic practitioners, you're severely misguided. That's akin saying some guy who blew up Notre-Dame Cathedral is a devout Catholic.

Obviously I'm referring to refugees since that was the central discussion.
I don't have a strong opinion on the gun debate because I think it's a more futile argument than most others we have here. And I haven't said anything remotely like what you're saying.

I can see that point.

Btw, towards some of my argument. I believe in helping people where you can, including refugees. I don't believe any group of people should be cut off from being able to enter the US, though I wish they were better at weeding at the bad ones. I like to play devils advocate sometimes. I really enjoy these conversations.

So the answer is yes. You do assume any murder that isn't a Muslim is a devout practicing Christian.

Wanna know how to get rid of all illegal immigrants? Because I know how and it's very simple.

Just open up the borders and let them come and go as they please, that way it's not illegal.

As a devout Muslim I can attest to this 8% of the time.

Do you work for the Obama administration cause it sounds like you do !

Any? Nope. Most likely? Staticstics say it sure the *** is.

Math is confusing. It's super easy to not like people that don't look like me.

So it wasn't 100% safe when we had way more data on Iraq refugees. Got ya, that's somehow supposed to make me feel better about trying to push 65000 refugees that we have much less information from? Also, I don't think any of these people are trying to say that they want 100% accuracy.


Correct, highly valuable information....like the name of who they say they are... You can deny it all you want to, and bring in someone from 2004, but no matter what you say, I'm going to take the advice given from the people that are tasked with the Syrian refugees today.

I used to be strongly against Guns, I'm actually finding out right now that I'm neutral. I think all the recent footage of cops abusing their authority and office has swung me around to be pro-guns.
I mean if the cops act this bad when Americans still have the right to arms, what are they going to be like when the american people don't have guns?

It might be the news blowing things out of proportion, but every day it seems like there is some video of some cop acting like an SS trooper.

Your argument is practically meaningless, though. Okay, yeah, we're all super shocked that the demographical majorities commit a majority of the crimes. You've hammered the most obvious nail into the ground. Now give us something that actually creates meaningful comparison between the demographics.

You say that 63% of the country is white but only 43% of the violent crimes are committed by white Americans? That tells me that there are other demographics that have a higher violent crime rate per person. What are those demographics? How do they compare? What are the root causes?

The average person is far more likely to die from heart disease than from being mauled to death by a lion. That doesn't mean that you can let lions roam freely in the middle of a crowded city. Yeah this is an extreme example, but it makes the point that you can't just look at general, wide statistics and ignore functions of rate and pretend that you have a good argument.

I absolutely did. Violent crimes by Muslims are such an incredibly small number they don't get an individual data set.

Claiming we'll be letting even more terrorist flow in than we currently are (LOL) by not having a more stringent screening process then we currently do has no statistical validation. And to me, it looks like waste of resources that could be better spent dealing with internal issues, and causing needless suffering for people trying to escape a war torn country they want to part of.

want no part of*

Again, GDI Rooks.

I don't get how having a less gun laws would solve the issue of police acting out of bounds. Would you threaten the officers with your own guns? You're gonna get shot/arrested. Would you shoot the officer when he draws his gun on you after you've drawn your weapon on him? Congratulations, you're a cop killer. Enjoy either dying via bullets to your vulnerable areas, or getting arrested and spending the rest of your productive life in jail.

No way you can get off of pointing a gun a cop. Doesn't matter if the cop is busting your chops or if he has a good reason to. It just gives him the (rightful) reason to arrest you. Because you're threatening an officer of the law with a gun. You just made him in the right by pointing a gun at him.

Using my imagination - I can't see a couple of cops strolling up to a person's house without a warrant and entering his house if he has a firearm and makes it known to them.

Cops drive up to an estate or some form of private property knowing that the owners/residents/employees/security have firearms =/= cops profiling an african american driver.

My point was that IF COPS are THIS brutal, knowing that the citizenry of the US have the rights to arms, what would they be like without any possibility of reprisal.

Sorry but if I lived in the US I would have a ***ton of guns in my house, with clear as day warning signs that tresspassers would be shot. I'd have another sign that said "Cops stay the *** out unless you have a warrant. I will shoot on sight ALL illegal tresspassers be they cops or gangsters".

As far as I know that would be my right as a citizen. It is most certainly my right in an arab muslim country. The state isn't allowed into my private residence or within my private property (that includes my person and my vehicle) without a warrant signed by a judge and the general attorney.

If a cop enters your house here without a warrant, his death is on him.

and you think i'm trolling?

people just really really hope that's what you're doing. the alternative...