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By Ruaumoko 2017-05-09 10:51:51
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DEF:166 HP+533 STR+48 DEX+34 VIT+30 AGI+21 INT+25 MND+25 CHR+24
Accuracy+47 Evasion+70 Magic Evasion+117 Haste+3%
Scythe Skill+56 Weaponskill Damage+10%
Damage Taken+14% Converts Damage Taken to TP+10%
DRK Lv99
Dear *** god. That is insanely broken.
Imagine this with 9999 HP and Dread Spikes.

That absolutely demolishes the DRK AF+3 body from Omen when using a Scythe.
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By Chyula 2017-05-09 10:55:18
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Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
Leviathan.Celebrindal said: »
If these are synergy, heads gonna roll.
From what we've seen, even the highest level synergies are 10-15% HQ rate. Certainly would be better than having it be a T0 craft where all you can do is throw gil and pray. Wouldn't count on it though, been ages since they did anything with synergy.

They don't grow gil, they group Torque/shield in every slot.
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By Asura.Hopefulki 2017-05-09 10:56:52
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Maybe SE will have mercy and all SU3 is whitebox and there is no NQ. Or maybe NQ turns HQ by dumping 1000 JP into the item through an angry goblin!
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By Asura.Neufko 2017-05-09 11:20:41
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Asura.Hopefulki said: »
Maybe SE will have mercy and all SU3 is whitebox and there is no NQ. Or maybe NQ turns HQ by dumping 1000 JP into the item through an angry goblin!

That would be a mistake imo :)
I can already see the yells :

CP party (do you need it) BLM SCH GEO (Master) (can I have it)?
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By Asura.Hopefulki 2017-05-09 11:25:49
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Asura.Neufko said: »
Asura.Hopefulki said: »
Maybe SE will have mercy and all SU3 is whitebox and there is no NQ. Or maybe NQ turns HQ by dumping 1000 JP into the item through an angry goblin!

That would be a mistake imo :)
I can already see the yells :

CP party (do you need it) BLM SCH GEO (Master) (can I have it)?

You forgot the Idris and RMEA!
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By Asura.Tuvae 2017-05-09 11:29:01
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Anything on DRG yet?
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By clearlyamule 2017-05-09 11:31:29
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Asura.Tuvae said: »
Anything on DRG yet?
Probably wont see anything till update time. Jp side does these sneak peak live videos that sometimes showcase tidbits of the update but that's it. They might have said something in it but it's often hard to get info since they usually done during jp times in Japanese and videos are only uploaded around the update itself
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By clearlyamule 2017-05-09 11:32:44
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Asura.Hopefulki said: »
Maybe SE will have mercy and all SU3 is whitebox and there is no NQ. Or maybe NQ turns HQ by dumping 1000 JP into the item through an angry goblin!
Given I already have like 20k stored up and the other items on it are fairly worthless and ridiculously costed otherwise I wouldn't mind... of course they'd make it so that category didn't open up till you delivered all the other goods to him and unlocked everything else first
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By Blazed1979 2017-05-09 12:05:40
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Bahamut.Tychefm said: »
Body+1 DRK Lv99 Su3
DEF166 HP+533 STR+48 DEX+34 VIT+30 AGI+21 INT+25 MND+25 CHR+24
ACC+47 EVA+70 MEVA+117 Haste+3%
Scythe Skill+56 WeaponskillDamage+10%
DamageTaken+14% DamageTaken to TP+10%


Body+1 RNG COR Lv99 Su3
DEF149 HP+111 STR+38 DEX+30 VIT+26 AGI+49 INT+21 MND+21 CHR+26
RAAC+47 ACC+42 EVA+65 MEVA+106 MDB+9
StoreTP+10 Snapshot+14 Doubleshot+8% Tripleshot+7%


Body+1 SMN Lv99 Su3
DEF142 HP+83 MP+123 STR+23 DEX+24 VIT+39 AGI+25 INT+42 MND+39 CHR+30
EVA+55 MEVA+122 MDB+9 Haste+3%
Summonerskill+37 FastCast+12%
Summoning Magic: 100% Spell interruption Down

I just had an erection.
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By Sylph.Parshias 2017-05-09 12:20:29
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Yeah, I mean... That equipment is pretty good. I guess.
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-05-09 12:26:57
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Ruaumoko said: »
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DEF:166 HP+533 STR+48 DEX+34 VIT+30 AGI+21 INT+25 MND+25 CHR+24
Accuracy+47 Evasion+70 Magic Evasion+117 Haste+3%
Scythe Skill+56 Weaponskill Damage+10%
Damage Taken+14% Converts Damage Taken to TP+10%
DRK Lv99
Dear *** god. That is insanely broken.
Imagine this with 9999 HP and Dread Spikes.

That absolutely demolishes the DRK AF+3 body from Omen when using a Scythe.

How? That's Damage Taken as in you take more damage and then some is converted back into TP. This means you need to take hits in it meaning your TPing in it. AF+3 seems to be a better WS piece. Is is nothing but a SD macro piece, you put it on with SD up and them once something hits you you remove it, assuming you survive the hit.

Overall it's just bleh, now maybe the other slots have something interesting for builds but the body isn't one of them.
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By Asura.Toralin 2017-05-09 12:29:02
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need to be master and then you buy them with 500JP must be on that job
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By eliroo 2017-05-09 12:30:38
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Asura.Saevel said: »
Ruaumoko said: »
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DEF:166 HP+533 STR+48 DEX+34 VIT+30 AGI+21 INT+25 MND+25 CHR+24
Accuracy+47 Evasion+70 Magic Evasion+117 Haste+3%
Scythe Skill+56 Weaponskill Damage+10%
Damage Taken+14% Converts Damage Taken to TP+10%
DRK Lv99
Dear *** god. That is insanely broken.
Imagine this with 9999 HP and Dread Spikes.

That absolutely demolishes the DRK AF+3 body from Omen when using a Scythe.

How? That's Damage Taken as in you take more damage and then some is converted back into TP. This means you need to take hits in it meaning your TPing in it. AF+3 seems to be a better WS piece. Is is nothing but a SD macro piece, you put it on with SD up and them once something hits you you remove it, assuming you survive the hit.

Overall it's just bleh, now maybe the other slots have something interesting for builds but the body isn't one of them.

Correct me if I'm wrong but this comes with +56 Scythe skill, 48 STR and 47 Accuracy.

Isn't the 56 skill essentially attack + 56/ Accuracy + 56 ?
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By Fenrir.Sathicus 2017-05-09 12:33:48
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eliroo said: »
them once something hits you you remove it, assuming you survive the hit.

Probably closer to ~45/45 but yeah still a good chunk.
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By Odin.Geriond 2017-05-09 12:35:57
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Asura.Saevel said: »
Ruaumoko said: »
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DEF:166 HP+533 STR+48 DEX+34 VIT+30 AGI+21 INT+25 MND+25 CHR+24
Accuracy+47 Evasion+70 Magic Evasion+117 Haste+3%
Scythe Skill+56 Weaponskill Damage+10%
Damage Taken+14% Converts Damage Taken to TP+10%
DRK Lv99
Dear *** god. That is insanely broken.
Imagine this with 9999 HP and Dread Spikes.

That absolutely demolishes the DRK AF+3 body from Omen when using a Scythe.

How? That's Damage Taken as in you take more damage and then some is converted back into TP. This means you need to take hits in it meaning your TPing in it. AF+3 seems to be a better WS piece. Is is nothing but a SD macro piece, you put it on with SD up and them once something hits you you remove it, assuming you survive the hit.

Overall it's just bleh, now maybe the other slots have something interesting for builds but the body isn't one of them.
Scarlet Delirium's damage bonus depends on the amount of damage you take compared to your max HP, so swapping this body in would actually lower how much of a bonus it gives because of the HP +533. If you want a body swap for Scarlet Delirium, you'd be better off unequipping the slot or using Plastron.

As for the piece itself, it's amazing for accuracy when using a scythe, and is ever so slightly better than Ignominy body +3 in terms of damage (while giving a lot more accuracy) for scythe WSs.
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By Fenrir.Sathicus 2017-05-09 12:37:54
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Actually, in that train of thought, I know that in the past we modeled a value "n" for skills at which the 1:1 ratio started to decay through to ~1:.9 or so, maybe even less. It was pretty clear relationship between increasing skill and decreasing ratio.

Do we have updated numbers for that scaling? Off the top of my head I've been considering skill values over cap + merit + AG relic (say adding comb. torque on top of that all) as ~ .8:1 ratio, but I don't actually have any numbers to back that up.
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By Odin.Geriond 2017-05-09 12:40:39
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Above 600 skill, 1 Skill gives 0.9 accuracy and 1 attack.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Khajit 2017-05-09 12:45:41
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Asura.Saevel said: »
Ruaumoko said: »
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DEF:166 HP+533 STR+48 DEX+34 VIT+30 AGI+21 INT+25 MND+25 CHR+24
Accuracy+47 Evasion+70 Magic Evasion+117 Haste+3%
Scythe Skill+56 Weaponskill Damage+10%
Damage Taken+14% Converts Damage Taken to TP+10%
DRK Lv99
Dear *** god. That is insanely broken.
Imagine this with 9999 HP and Dread Spikes.

That absolutely demolishes the DRK AF+3 body from Omen when using a Scythe.

How? That's Damage Taken as in you take more damage and then some is converted back into TP. This means you need to take hits in it meaning your TPing in it. AF+3 seems to be a better WS piece. Is is nothing but a SD macro piece, you put it on with SD up and them once something hits you you remove it, assuming you survive the hit.

Overall it's just bleh, now maybe the other slots have something interesting for builds but the body isn't one of them.
He's probably thinking more along the lines of actually tping/tanking in it with 999999 HP after mbing drain 3 like the dacnomania video except now the damage the mob is doing is losing at least one X-hit during any rounds that you're hit.
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-05-09 12:51:26
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Just looked over the DRK AF +3 body and their about the same.

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DEF:166 HP+164 MP+122 STR+46 DEX+29 VIT+39 AGI+29 INT+29 MND+29 CHR+29
Accuracy+50 Attack+48 Evasion+61 Magic Evasion+68 "Magic Def. Bonus"+5 Enfeebling magic skill +22 Haste+3%
Weapon Skill Damage +10%

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DEF:166 HP+533 STR+48 DEX+34 VIT+30 AGI+21 INT+25 MND+25 CHR+24
Accuracy+47 Evasion+70 Magic Evasion+117 Haste+3%
Scythe Skill+56 Weaponskill Damage+10%
Damage Taken+14% Converts Damage Taken to TP+10%
DRK Lv99

AF+3 has more INT/MND/VIT 2 less STR 5 less DEX and doesn't have the scythe skill. Scythe WS's tend to be stuff like 60% STR/MND, 85% INT, 60% STR/INT, 20% STR/INT and so forth. Torcleaver is a one hit WS with 80% VIT. Because of those you still need the DRK AF +3 body so this basically becomes a high accuracy piece (sameish attack) and a macro piece for SD.

The bonus for SD is determined by the percentage of lost HP not the actual numerical amount. A 500HP DRK taking a 250HP hit will receive the same (25%) bonus as a 9999HP DRK taking a 4499HP hit (25%). Maxing HP out to 9.9K actually lowers the bonus from SD but increase's survivability, something DRK desperately struggles with. A DRK at 2.1K HP taking 1500 damage hit will receive a 35% damage bonus for 90s, a 9999K HP DRK taking the same 1500 damage hit will receive a 7.5% damage bonus.

I only see two situations where this is useful. First is for SD macro, when you see it reading a big TP move you put it on and hope you don't die. The second is after NV DS Drain III when your riding high HP and you can afford to play dangerous for a bit so you toss this on every time the NM readies a TP move or looks in your direction. It's lack of other stats hurts it here, I really wish it had like DA/TA or even Store TP so that it didn't screw with TP sets you could benefit from random splash AoE damage.
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-05-09 12:54:21
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Quetzalcoatl.Khajit said: »
Asura.Saevel said: »
Ruaumoko said: »
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DEF:166 HP+533 STR+48 DEX+34 VIT+30 AGI+21 INT+25 MND+25 CHR+24
Accuracy+47 Evasion+70 Magic Evasion+117 Haste+3%
Scythe Skill+56 Weaponskill Damage+10%
Damage Taken+14% Converts Damage Taken to TP+10%
DRK Lv99
Dear *** god. That is insanely broken.
Imagine this with 9999 HP and Dread Spikes.

That absolutely demolishes the DRK AF+3 body from Omen when using a Scythe.

How? That's Damage Taken as in you take more damage and then some is converted back into TP. This means you need to take hits in it meaning your TPing in it. AF+3 seems to be a better WS piece. Is is nothing but a SD macro piece, you put it on with SD up and them once something hits you you remove it, assuming you survive the hit.

Overall it's just bleh, now maybe the other slots have something interesting for builds but the body isn't one of them.
He's probably thinking more along the lines of actually tping/tanking in it with 999999 HP after mbing drain 3 like the dacnomania video except now the damage the mob is doing is losing at least one X-hit during any rounds that you're hit.

That doesn't make it broken unless he's using it on CL140~150 content, hell even Omen MB's (CL139). Nobody cares what people do with trusts in a corner, if stuff like that is important to someone they need to play a single player RPG which has a far better environment for that stuff.
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By Shiva.Siviard 2017-05-09 12:58:54
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My sweet Altana look at that gear! Looking forward to seeing the PUP gear and what it brings to the table.
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By Odin.Geriond 2017-05-09 13:02:52
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When you're not under the influence of NV Drain III, putting this on before being hit will actually reduce or break even on SD's bonus.

Let's say you have 2100 HP in a normal body, and you take 1000 damage. That gives a +23.8% SD.

Now, if you swap this body in, you have ~2570 HP and take ~1140 damage. That gives a +22.2% SD. Even if we assume the attack was magical, the missing MDB over Valorous or Emicho/+1 would bring the damage to ~1180, giving a +23.0% SD.

If you have more base HP from Ionis or HP Vorseals, it'll fare a little better, but still doesn't quite catch up.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Khajit 2017-05-09 13:03:08
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I was just explaining his logic since it appeared his line of thought flew past your head to me. I wasn't agreeing about it being a good idea and it's not like the main stuff you would use it on doesn't resist darkness anything out the ***.
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By eliroo 2017-05-09 13:03:10
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Maybe you could use it some obtuse world where you have a Catastrophe DRK Drain tanking?
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By Asura.Syto 2017-05-09 13:06:29
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I think SMN is going slip through untouched in this coming PUPdate..
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-05-09 13:10:35
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Quetzalcoatl.Khajit said: »
I was just explaining his logic since it appeared his line of thought flew past your head to me. I wasn't agreeing about it being a good idea and it's not like the main stuff you would use it on doesn't resist darkness anything out the ***.

<.< >.>

I play with Rua on a near daily basis.
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By Ruaumoko 2017-05-09 13:26:07
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Wonder if we're going to see an Su3 Barone Corazza for Dragoon.

Su3 Noble's Tunic?
Su3 Hachiman Domaru?
Su3 Lord's Cuirass?
Su3 Dragon Harness?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Khajit 2017-05-09 13:34:58
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Asura.Saevel said: »
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I was just explaining his logic since it appeared his line of thought flew past your head to me. I wasn't agreeing about it being a good idea and it's not like the main stuff you would use it on doesn't resist darkness anything out the ***.

<.< >.>

I play with Rua on a near daily basis.
I retract my statement. I couldn't imagine wanting to use it during tp instead of stp or multi-attack unless everything was ultra dire.
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By Odin.Geriond 2017-05-09 13:37:20
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It gives 98 accuracy when using a scythe, so that's something.
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-05-09 13:38:03
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Ruaumoko said: »
Wonder if we're going to see an Su3 Barone Corazza for Dragoon.

Su3 Noble's Tunic?
Su3 Hachiman Domaru?
Su3 Lord's Cuirass?
Su3 Dragon Harness?

Would love to see more Job Specific gear that actually benefited that job and things it does. So tired of gear that costs millions of gil and is super situational.
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