Killer Instinct: The Beastmaster Compendium

White damage would naturally be higher as /war. Fencer build and war sub is slightly higher crit rate and attack (with trait and Aspis) and between the two melee sets you have 7% TA, 34% DA (including sub) on all on your Axe MH as /WAR vs nearly no multiattacks from your main hand as /nin and a lot of very weak swings with an offhand Kraken Club. Your effective TP is also 400 difference of 2000 with kraken club vs 2400 single wielding.

Seems right to me?

What Buuki said basically.

But why no AM3?

For Calamity spam only, no Farsha and subbing nin, I'd try using Tri-Edge/Ikenga (you have +1000 TP right there) and a multi attack tp build if you have one.
Im curious to see if it outperforms Axe/Kc.

Any particular reason why you didn't use KI?

Bare minimum totally legit settings. Doesn't matter when you're five levels deep in inception.

Totally legitimate 5hr EP-ing that's why.

Silly me

What's the best shield to go with when /war?
Bst hasn't got offensive shields, does it?
I mean, the only one i can think of is the Thorfinn shield but...yeah

If no bonanza shield you have amazing picks like the unity shields, and adapa or sacro bulwark. Amazing choices really

Try running /nin back with a 119 offhand instead of having to heavily overcompensate accuracy to make the KC only whiff ~18% of the time instead of the expected 5%, which you can replace with more multiattack and storeTP equipment and get that white damage up while not really sacrificing WS frequency?

Weird test considering the number difference of the other jobs
And not using all the stuff you didn’t use

I’ve always been pro /war since r15s

At this point in 11 when I am subbed I just try to make it feel like a fun game and not a stressful job that doesn’t pay
Which to me means joining an ls party on whatever job I feel like playing and trying to enjoy my time after waiting 3-18 hours to find a pt to begin with because for whatever reason if a party is already going they do not reply to tells
If anything it shows you could have been a lot stronger
And I always find it fun reading parse data about my favorite job
Around 10m an hour is what I remember getting in krt and real dds around 17-25m
Doesn’t discourage me because I don’t even try to be the best I just want to have fun and fit in enough to get accepted for the next pt
Thank you for your data

For war and bst im not sure theres a DW setup that can beat single wield if you have a full potency haste samba going. Being 2% off delay cap but not losing 25~30% of your TP gained(with /nin you're actually 19% overcap with samba) is a very nice trade and that's before the TP bonus/crit boost of fencer unless you're using a WS that has no scaling maybe

Haste Samba from DNC is a complete game changer for Fencer build. For example on WAR it pushes Farsha AM3 fencer build from being significantly behind 2handers to being significantly ahead of them.

Yeah that was my feeling too, hence a test to see the difference. I thought /war was better but not 24% better. The other job's dps is fairly similar in the two runs.

I don't think /Nin with something like ikenga's axe will be better than /war. Fencer gives you an added 630 tp bonus including JP gifts. Even at r30 ikenga's will give you 500 (and 5wsd). Mine is at r25 so 300 not 500.

If no haste samba from dnc main, someone would do haste samba from /dnc instead.

Once you factor in /war JAs and AM3 /war can get pretty beefy.

Without haste samba at all the sim shows almost identical dps.

TL;Dr - kclub offhand probably isn't worth it just for bst.

It won't unless you're using lolTri-Edge and stick with Calamity only (and mistral axe i suppose).

So today I took BST to Dyna-D Windy to unlock the BST relic head upgrade.

Used Vivacious Vickie for a lot of Wave 2. Gave Zealous Snort a go, figuring it'd be no issue. Get Haste 2 on Vickie and alliance RDM's Haste 2 would get me...

Only...

RDM Haste 2 had got the message:

Sexydan's Haste II had no effect.

Zealous Snort literally blocked RDM Haste 2. Wiki says that Haste 2 overwrites Snort, but that does not seem to be the case.

Why? lmao

Snort is the highest priority haste buff, you wont get haste II but you also wont get slowed by anything unless its an aura or also a high priority slow

Oh shi.
I had no idea, that's bad.

Of course, if you're relying on another player using Haste Samba, have to factor in that you need to actually be fighting the same mob and they have hit it first to apply the daze effect.

Not saying that changes your overall conclusion, especially if you're already getting nearly equivalent DPS without samba when comparing subjobs. But it's something I think about in any event where there are lots of mobs that don't last a long time or where players might pick different targets.

They should just bump that up to 30% Haste. 25% is awkward and makes using Vickie less useful for that reason alone.

25% really is awkward, and meaningfully so in some cases. For instance, with trust bards who use Victory March +0 for 15.92% haste - leaving you uncapped unless you get both Marches (good luck with that).

Sometimes it still works, like I can get Honor March (w/ Marcato or SV) from an actual player BRD and that + Vickie is enough to cap with no other haste songs/spells needed. But yeah, 30% sure would be nice.

That is true. However, being /dnc and doing samba yourself means

* You need DW in gear to cap delay
* You're using a JA every 2min and use TP to do samba with

Not having to do a JA and using more MA/storetp in gear comes out on top, as long as someone else is doing samba.

I'll want to test without samba at all at some point. The simulator says their dps is equivalent without samba, but the simulator also says /war is ahead by 200dps with haste samba while it's actually ahead by ~600dps.

Is there any particular reason to use Onslaught at 1000tp on /nin? It looks like it's almost as good as Calamity at 1750. Plus self SC

If there were more cases of frequent slow id call it a pretty great buff, already gives you mdb+25/counter/guard+25 and it being 5% worse than the haste II would be a fine trade off. May see some use cases in limbus NMs, maybe. But for now best use case i think is something like kei(which a lot of jobs have enough meva to make the spikes enslow somewhat infrequent already)

Pretty much this. It's consistently competitive and puts out reasonable damage, it's the Kikoku question just with BST instead. I prefer double Onslaught when making SC, because most of BST other options with Axe use some horrible WS as a linker.

Heeeey guys, how did you deal with Battleclad Chariot x 3 for Aymur trials? Which pets did you use?

if I remember correctly, discoid only gets used if you stand in front. it can turn quickly and use it, but most of the time you're fine just going ham from behind. just take it slow under 25% if you're concerned.

Yeah in the end I used Sultry Patrice, oneshotted everything except Chariots and the final boss.
GG I guess!

Got Discoid a few times, but with DT and Shell2 it was survivable with me and the pet sharing the damage.

This is good to know! In the past, I would use BST (hoping for a random ammo slot to become unlocked). If I needed to guarantee a win because I couldn't get an ammo unlock (which has happened more than once), then I would go in as MNK + Shell 2 + Inner Strength and a TP Wing below 50%. Good times.

Couldn't you get Shell 3 with the Curio Moogle scroll? Or is that only Shell 2?

I had to did 4 runs in the end instead of 3.
Runs 2-4 have been super duper fast, the path I followed was the following:

Floor 1: Open the chest and then go up in the NE room
Floor 2: That way you arrive in floor 2 in the room that drops undulatus cell (ranged). Normally I was waiting until I had Radiatus too (if not in in the initial chest) to use Beast Loyalty at full potency and not waste the Broth (I'm super stingy!)
Floor3: go in the West/South part until I unlock all stats cells, then proceed up from the East/North path (it's faster! I think? I dunno, no big difference maybe)
Floor4: Kill the right rampart, then go up
Floor5: Train gears then AoE them with Fluid Spread
Floor6: Aggro the Chariot, train everything and AoE, then kill Chariot
Floor7: Engage boss with the pet, kill kill

I went in as BST/WHM for Dia2/Diaga (not necessary at all...) for Sneak/Invi (meeeeh lol, only useful on floor1) and Reraise because I was afraid of dying.

In my first run it took me only 1 hour and in the end I DCed with the boss at 5%, came back up online with Reraise dispelled (WTF?!) and had to home point.
This run took me AGES because I couldn't unlock Undulatus. I forgot that on floor 2 to open the other room, you have to do a full clear on the first room.
Result? I ended up on doing the whole run with just Body, Head, Neck and weapons unlocked.
Lmao, was super slow.

Maybe? I dunno I didn't bother. I just used Prot3 and Shell2 from /WHM