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George Takei vs Hobby Lobby
By fonewear 2014-07-16 08:48:18
Leviathan.Redherring said: »or just Bush lied them that seems to make them more valid.
George Bush doesn't care about black people and birth control!
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By Siren.Mosin 2014-07-30 09:50:31
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By Garuda.Chanti 2014-07-30 12:00:26
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I'd like to know why the belief of when a pregnancy occurs rather than the medical defination of what constitutes a pregnancy was a valid argument for injury.... Five Catholic males....
But in the news today....
Hobby Lobby Allegedly Fired Employee Due to Pregnancy
Just in case you thought they were actually Christian. Or believed in anything other than profits.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-07-30 12:05:19
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I'd like to know why the belief of when a pregnancy occurs rather than the medical defination of what constitutes a pregnancy was a valid argument for injury.... Five Catholic males....
But in the news today....
Hobby Lobby Allegedly Fired Employee Due to Pregnancy
Just in case you thought they were actually Christian. Or believed in anything other than profits.
I'm pretty sure that we all knew this was happening and going to continue to happen.
Because "Christian business" is a crock of ***phrase. It offends me and I don't even *** believe in divinity.
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By Siren.Mosin 2014-07-30 12:07:23
maybe you are just offended too easily.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-07-30 12:11:57
maybe you are just offended too easily.
Maybe businesses who want to be considered Christian should partake in Christian acts of charity, not secular acts of greed.
Oh wait. Christianity in the American context was never about Christ's teachings, was it?
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By Siren.Mosin 2014-07-30 12:13:36
what did jesus ever do to you, man?
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-07-30 12:17:37
what did jesus ever do to you, man?
My problem isn't with Jesus.
I simply don't believe in his divine nature.
As I've said numerous times, I believe in the teachings attributed to him. I believe in them deeply, in fact, because I view them not as a religious thing, but as a fundamentally appropriate way for humans to treat each other in order to attain a peaceful society in which people can live without fear of being harmed or ostracized.
And we have concrete evidence that these supposed "Christian" business do not behave in a fashion commensurate to what Jesus expected of people.
For ***'s sake. Most churches that claim to be Christian don't believe -- or, at least, don't practice the beliefs -- of Jesus. You see that every time some evangelical minister opens his fat white mouth to denounce gays or other groups that "aren't living by god's will". In the meantime, that *** has been divorced twice and he's cheating on his third wife.
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By Siren.Mosin 2014-07-30 12:29:39
You see that every time some evangelical minister opens his fat white mouth to denounce gays or other groups that "aren't living by god's will". In the meantime, that *** has been divorced twice and he's cheating on his third wife.
if you expect your fellow citizens to not be hypocrites or idiots, you're gonna have a bad time.
It wasn't all that serious of a question on my end, sorry, a bit bored over here.
you just make me laugh sometimes with how venomous you feel towards organized religion. I'm slightly jealous I guess, I don't get worked up about anything.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-07-30 12:39:00
You see that every time some evangelical minister opens his fat white mouth to denounce gays or other groups that "aren't living by god's will". In the meantime, that *** has been divorced twice and he's cheating on his third wife.
if you expect your fellow citizens to not be hypocrites or idiots, you're gonna have a bad time.
It wasn't all that serious of a question on my end, sorry, a bit bored over here.
you just make me laugh sometimes with how venomous you feel towards organized religion. I'm slightly jealous I guess, I don't get worked up about anything.
In moments of levity I'm myself amused with how angry they make me. Or, rather, I'm amused at how exactly un-Christian these religious organizations and establishments behave.
I'll never say that religion hasn't brought the world many beautiful things, because it has. And there are lessons of value to be learned from all of the holy teachings in the world, not just Christianity. Because many of them started with good intentions at heart.
But cultures rarely use religions as a means of peace or cohesion. They use them as divisive wedges to seperate people into "us and them". They use them to excuse things like slavery, bigotry, theft, rape, and murder. They use them as an excuse to send children off to war to kill other children.
And, oh. Yeah. They use it as a method to make money.
Religion has never been anything more than a business and a tool for the obtainment and maintenance of power, even when there are valuable lessons within.
I just feel it's time -- as a human race -- we seperate the valuable parables of religion from the useless dogma and separatist claptrap.
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By Siren.Mosin 2014-07-30 12:44:28
I just feel it's time -- as a human race -- we seperate the valuable parables of religion from the useless dogma and separatist claptrap.
give it a few millennium.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-07-30 12:46:13
I just feel it's time -- as a human race -- we seperate the valuable parables of religion from the useless dogma and separatist claptrap.
give it a few millennium.
I don't believe in an afterlife and I want to see it happen.
So I'm impatient.
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By Siren.Mosin 2014-07-30 12:49:00
I don't believe in an afterlife and I want to see it happen.
So I'm impatient.
well....
we should find you a new goal then, I could see that one as being aggravating...
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-07-30 12:50:36
I don't believe in an afterlife and I want to see it happen.
So I'm impatient.
well....
we should find you a new goal then, I could see that one as being aggravating...
Clearly.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-07-30 13:07:45
I just feel it's time -- as a human race -- we seperate the valuable parables of religion from the useless dogma and separatist claptrap.
How will they make any money then?
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-07-30 13:16:48
I just feel it's time -- as a human race -- we seperate the valuable parables of religion from the useless dogma and separatist claptrap.
How will they make any money then?
Yeah, well.
That's the crux of the problem, apparently.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2014-07-30 15:07:58
Its not just about money you know.
Its about power and control as well.
Wow he isn't giving up!
George Takei: What if Muslims Owned Hobby Lobby and Tried Imposing Sharia Law on Employees?
Quote: I’ve often said that these conservatives wading into the tricky waters of claiming “religious freedom” to justify breaking (or passing) laws should really be careful what they wish for. It’s advice I’d give to all of those conservatives who are celebrating the Supreme Court’s Hobby Lobby ruling.
And based on his brilliant response to that ruling, George Takei seems to be an individual who understands this as well.
Posting his response on the website for his play Allegiance, Takei made several fantastic points concerning not only the hypocrisy of this ruling, but the dangerous precedent it could set going forward.
Takei wrote, “The ruling elevates the rights of a FOR-PROFIT CORPORATION over those of its women employees and opens the door to all manner of claims that a company can refuse services based on its owner’s religion.”
“Think about the ramifications: As Justice Ginsberg’s stinging dissent pointed out, companies run by Scientologists could refuse to cover antidepressants, and those run by Jews or Hindus could refuse to cover medications derived from pigs (such as many anesthetics, intravenous fluids, or medications coated in gelatin).” he continued.
And that’s the slippery slope for which this ruling potentially opens the door. Where will the line be drawn where you say to a company, “Sorry, but your religious beliefs aren’t protected?”
What if someone who owns a corporation is anti-vaccine? What if they then say it’s against their religious beliefs for their company to offer health care that covers vaccines? Based upon this Supreme Court ruling, they could theoretically be within their rights to claim that.
But the best point Takei made was in a direct shot at right-wing ignorance. He wrote, “In this case, the owners happen to be deeply Christian; one wonders whether the case would have come out differently if a Muslim-run chain business attempted to impose Sharia law on its employees.”
As we all know, when these conservatives talk about “religious freedoms” they’re really only referring to Christianity.
He also went on to make the point that Hobby Lobby has invested in companies which produce the morning after pill and it gets much of its inventory from China, a country where forced abortions are common.
In other words, they’re blatant hypocrites.
“Hobby Lobby is not a church. It’s a business — and a big one at that,” Takei continued. “Businesses must and should be required to comply with neutrally crafted laws of general applicability. Your boss should not have a say over your healthcare. Once the law starts permitting exceptions based on “sincerely held religious beliefs” there’s no end to the mischief and discrimination that will ensue. Indeed, this is the same logic that certain restaurants and hotels have been trying to deploy to allow proprietors to refuse service to gay couples.”
Once again, he’s absolutely right.
For some reason conservatives seem to think that a lack of options equates to “more” freedom. Before this ruling, women working at Hobby Lobby had the option to have access to these contraceptives. Now they won’t.
If the owners of Hobby Lobby reject specific types of contraceptives, that’s fine. They don’t have to use them. But now their beliefs are being imposed on women who might not share those same beliefs.
Take a good look, because that’s how an employer can determine an employee’s health care coverage. Because a woman working at Hobby Lobby now can’t get health care coverage for certain contraceptives, not because she’s against them, but because her employer is.
How exactly is that respecting her religious freedoms?
Takei also points out religion is a way many conservatives have tried justifying discrimination against homosexuals. These “religious freedom” bills that essentially give businesses the right to deny service to homosexuals based on their religious beliefs.
The bottom line is, religion has no place in government or in business. If someone wants to express their religious views to others, they need to start a church – not a for-profit corporation.
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