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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-28 12:52:16
As for the *** you posted: it seems like the corporations that are reaping profits out the *** are going to pass the tax to the end consumer, instead of cutting into their ridiculously high bottom line (like they should).
Not to mention that I've always considered regular gas taxes to be asinine in the first place, and an unstable state based income (hello problems the Governator had).
That's not even getting into the stupidity that is carbon credits, but hey. Let me ask you this then: Do you consider a 7% Net Profit to be, as you put it, a ridiculously high bottom line?
Heck, they pay federal income tax at a higher percentage then that.
Oh wait, I forgot, you believe that they don't pay federal income tax......
Considering that's still like 32 billion dollars (if the source I just looked up quick is accurate, don't really care to double check it with this massive headache).
http://news.exxonmobil.com/press-release/exxon-mobil-corporation-announces-estimated-fourth-quarter-2013-results
I'm sure it's probably in your report too, but too lazy to read the whole thing. You have the Cliff's notes version.
7% net income is still 7% net income. That means that for every $1 they receive, 93 cents is automatically taken as part of their expenses.
Not exactly "reaping profits" or have a "ridiculously high bottom line."
Most companies can't grow on only a 7% profit. Exxon Mobil can because of the amount of business they do, but it is still a smaller percentage than the average business does.
But let me ask you this, since you consider businesses to be bad and evil: What makes them evil, and how do you quantify it? Remember that your answer cannot include any human factors in it, as it has been stated many times that corporations and companies are not human. You have to quantify evil by removing the humans out of it.
I don't give a *** if it's .01%, 32 billion dollars is reaping profits.
I'd say polluting the world, and avoiding taxes that are levied against you for that pollution is a pretty good indicator of not being "good" but we're getting into some fuzzy ***here. In that case, Exxon Mobil is an outstanding company.
They paid well over their 7% net profit margin in federal income taxes alone, plus all other taxes and levies made by local and international governments.
Exxon Mobil's effective tax rate was 48% in 2013. That's nearly half of their income before taxes. Can you honestly state that they are avoiding taxes?
As for the polluting the world, who's really the culprit in this: the producer or the consumer?
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By Jetackuu 2014-08-28 12:53:41
No, conservatives install solar panels and other alternative energy equipment on their property to reduce their energy bill.
In some cases (like mine, but only because I have enough property to do it) we sell the energy back to the company/county. My investment will be paid off next year.
Has nothing to do with the perceived science of global warming or climate science that this technology is in connection with. Pure expense reduction and/or additional income. Mmm, wasn't the point but regardless, this point could be extended to any conservation effort associated with climate change yet the conservative/denier pushback continues since they insist on making it a political issue when it can plainly be reduced to simple conservation. All we ask is undeniable proof that climate change is not a natural occurring event, is 100% man made, and the policies in place would reverse (assuming) said man made events. Scientists have yet to even provide any of these three requests, and that's why most of us are skeptical of the whole science.
You are trying to force this down our throats before you can prove anything. That is just as bad as passing a law just to read what's in it.....oh wai....
It's both, and the policies would limit the effect, effectively letting humans live longer, and it has been proven, but you and your ilk keep ignoring the evidence.
You're in denial because your talking heads demand that you be, because they're paid to keep you that way to further the agenda of their owners.
By Jetackuu 2014-08-28 12:54:32
As for your other crap: yes, passing taxes on the consumer is avoiding taxes, and it's still the producer.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2014-08-28 12:56:46
All we ask is undeniable proof that climate change is not a natural occurring event, is 100% man made, and the policies in place would reverse (assuming) said man made events. Scientists have yet to even provide any of these three requests, and that's why most of us are skeptical of the whole science.
Yes, this is not asking for much at all.
Come on, Pleebo, you need to whip out the 100% proof and figure out how to reverse it, then everyone will agree.
After you've finished that small request you need to find my invisible pink unicorn.
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By Jetackuu 2014-08-28 12:59:09
I mean I guess he'll ask for undeniable proof for gravity, or that the moon isn't made of cheese.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2014-08-28 13:01:02
oh c'mon, they could have god burn it into stone tablets with lightning bolts and I still wouldn't budge...
I'M NOT INTERESTED IN ANYTHING YOU ARE SELLING!!!!
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-28 13:06:43
No, conservatives install solar panels and other alternative energy equipment on their property to reduce their energy bill.
In some cases (like mine, but only because I have enough property to do it) we sell the energy back to the company/county. My investment will be paid off next year.
Has nothing to do with the perceived science of global warming or climate science that this technology is in connection with. Pure expense reduction and/or additional income. Mmm, wasn't the point but regardless, this point could be extended to any conservation effort associated with climate change yet the conservative/denier pushback continues since they insist on making it a political issue when it can plainly be reduced to simple conservation. All we ask is undeniable proof that climate change is not a natural occurring event, is 100% man made, and the policies in place would reverse (assuming) said man made events. Scientists have yet to even provide any of these three requests, and that's why most of us are skeptical of the whole science.
You are trying to force this down our throats before you can prove anything. That is just as bad as passing a law just to read what's in it.....oh wai....
It's both, and the policies would limit the effect, effectively letting humans live longer, and it has been proven, but you and your ilk keep ignoring the evidence.
You're in denial because your talking heads demand that you be, because they're paid to keep you that way to further the agenda of their owners. I have no qualms about improving the way of life of people, and if liberals were honest in this aspect, then there honestly would not be a problem. I conserve energy, I recycle, I do pretty much everything asked of me to help reduce pollution that pertains to improving the quality of life.
But I will not support policies that run under the pretense of reduction of pollution but in honesty limiting businesses and contracting the economy, and it is so obvious that even those who's heads are not planted in their *** in this regard can see it. Unfortunately, you fall out of that category.
Unlike you, I am able to discern what is spin and what is intent. As for somebody accusing me of following what others say, you certainly are a parrot of liberal and socialist practices.
All we ask is undeniable proof that climate change is not a natural occurring event, is 100% man made, and the policies in place would reverse (assuming) said man made events. Scientists have yet to even provide any of these three requests, and that's why most of us are skeptical of the whole science.
Yes, this is not asking for much at all.
Come on, Pleebo, you need to whip out the 100% proof and figure out how to reverse it, then everyone will agree.
After you've finished that small request you need to find my invisible pink unicorn. It truly is not much, if what these climate scientists claim that they have already answered it and to damn to any evidence stating otherwise.
There are multiple papers that state that global cooling warming is manmade, and yet, cannot answer simple historical discrepancies to their research.
Until then, we will disagree on the policies and their effectiveness.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2014-08-28 13:06:48
No, conservatives install solar panels and other alternative energy equipment on their property to reduce their energy bill.
In some cases (like mine, but only because I have enough property to do it) we sell the energy back to the company/county. My investment will be paid off next year.
Has nothing to do with the perceived science of global warming or climate science that this technology is in connection with. Pure expense reduction and/or additional income. Mmm, wasn't the point but regardless, this point could be extended to any conservation effort associated with climate change yet the conservative/denier pushback continues since they insist on making it a political issue when it can plainly be reduced to simple conservation. All we ask is undeniable proof that climate change is not a natural occurring event, is 100% man made, and the policies in place would reverse (assuming) said man made events. Scientists have yet to even provide any of these three requests, and that's why most of us are skeptical of the whole science.
You are trying to force this down our throats before you can prove anything. That is just as bad as passing a law just to read what's in it.....oh wai.... Science never says anything is 100%, ever.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-28 13:08:21
As for your other crap: yes, passing taxes on the consumer is avoiding taxes, and it's still the producer. Do you have anything else to add to your blind and ignorant hatred of businesses?
I mean, you have yet to add a rebuttal to anything I said.
I'm pretty sure that, by your definitions of "evil", the company you work for is more "evil" than Exxon Mobil.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-28 13:10:23
No, conservatives install solar panels and other alternative energy equipment on their property to reduce their energy bill.
In some cases (like mine, but only because I have enough property to do it) we sell the energy back to the company/county. My investment will be paid off next year.
Has nothing to do with the perceived science of global warming or climate science that this technology is in connection with. Pure expense reduction and/or additional income. Mmm, wasn't the point but regardless, this point could be extended to any conservation effort associated with climate change yet the conservative/denier pushback continues since they insist on making it a political issue when it can plainly be reduced to simple conservation. All we ask is undeniable proof that climate change is not a natural occurring event, is 100% man made, and the policies in place would reverse (assuming) said man made events. Scientists have yet to even provide any of these three requests, and that's why most of us are skeptical of the whole science.
You are trying to force this down our throats before you can prove anything. That is just as bad as passing a law just to read what's in it.....oh wai.... Science never says anything is 100%, ever. I'm sorry, I should have said 97%. That is the magic number for the Church of Climate Science Al Gore followers here.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-08-28 13:11:49
All we ask is undeniable proof that climate change is not a natural occurring event, is 100% man made, and the policies in place would reverse (assuming) said man made events. Scientists have yet to even provide any of these three requests, and that's why most of us are skeptical of the whole science. Wat.
You do know that you pretty much have zero areas with 100% proof on any of the theories provided by science, right? That's why we get all excited when we get new tools/techniques, and can see that the results match for the next 5 significant digits.
By that criteria, you essentially revoke the amassed knowledge of the human race. Oh, and that religous babble can go right out the window too.
Do scientists always get it right? Hell no. They rarely get it right, but they learn from when they got it wrong. The process of scientific inquiry allows for corrections, refinement, and improvement over time. And the corrections, refinement, and improvement over time generally allow us to approximate the physical world to an extent to be able to understand and manipulate it.
I'd like undeniable proof that hiring you to work on my tax returns will put more money in my pocket, is 100% proof against audits, and that the savings provided will enlarge my penis.
By fonewear 2014-08-28 13:12:11
Anything is possible... in theory !!
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2014-08-28 13:12:22
Science does not work in absolutes. I'm sorry that's a point of contention for you. Church does work in absolutes however, so maybe that would be a better place for you to hang your hat.
By Altimaomega 2014-08-28 13:13:07
However, when the shepherd starts butchering his herd I'll still have my power, food, and water. Will you?
Yeah...I'm sure no one will notice yours is the only house with the lights on in the neighborhood >.>
What makes you think I live in a neighborhood? Why does everyone automatically assume electricity = lights? My two well pumps require power and so does my wood furnace blower. Not to mention my PS4 and Nintendo.
By Jetackuu 2014-08-28 13:15:43
As for your other crap: yes, passing taxes on the consumer is avoiding taxes, and it's still the producer. Do you have anything else to add to your blind and ignorant hatred of businesses?
I mean, you have yet to add a rebuttal to anything I said.
I'm pretty sure that, by your definitions of "evil", the company you work for is more "evil" than Exxon Mobil. Oh look at the parrot calling somebody else a parrot...
I'm actually unemployed, and the last company I worked for was a non-profit healthcare organization, so very much not so.
But go on trying to ad-hominem when you really have nothing.
The fact is that you're a denier of cold hard scientific fact, and that's just delusional.
By Jetackuu 2014-08-28 13:17:39
No, conservatives install solar panels and other alternative energy equipment on their property to reduce their energy bill.
In some cases (like mine, but only because I have enough property to do it) we sell the energy back to the company/county. My investment will be paid off next year.
Has nothing to do with the perceived science of global warming or climate science that this technology is in connection with. Pure expense reduction and/or additional income. Mmm, wasn't the point but regardless, this point could be extended to any conservation effort associated with climate change yet the conservative/denier pushback continues since they insist on making it a political issue when it can plainly be reduced to simple conservation. All we ask is undeniable proof that climate change is not a natural occurring event, is 100% man made, and the policies in place would reverse (assuming) said man made events. Scientists have yet to even provide any of these three requests, and that's why most of us are skeptical of the whole science.
You are trying to force this down our throats before you can prove anything. That is just as bad as passing a law just to read what's in it.....oh wai.... Science never says anything is 100%, ever. I'm sorry, I should have said 97%. That is the magic number for the Church of Climate Science Al Gore followers here.
Which is even funnier thing to say, as I don't think anyone here even likes Al Gore.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-08-28 13:17:44
However, when the shepherd starts butchering his herd I'll still have my power, food, and water. Will you?
Yeah...I'm sure no one will notice yours is the only house with the lights on in the neighborhood >.>
What makes you think I live in a neighborhood? Why does everyone automatically assume electricity = lights? My two well pumps require power and so does my wood furnace blower. Not to mention my PS4 and Nintendo. You have electric well pumps, an electric furnace blower, a PS4 and a Nintendo? What kind of Amish are you?
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-08-28 13:18:48
You act like solar energy is a conservative ideal lol... It's not. It's also dependent on where you live, how much land you have and if you have the capital to make the initial investment. Some people are blocked by simple HOA by-laws. Oh well sorry you can't install those in the front of your home... Oh you can't get enough light on the back? Too bad! Didn't say that it was. I was trying to show judgmental reasoning in why conservatives install this.
Liberals do it to be all touchy/feely and think they are saving the world.
Conservatives are more practical and do this to conserve costs and energy consumption, sometimes even providing energy to the community.
I'm sorry that you automatically assumed that I was making this into a conservative only idea. lol... liberals and conservatives usally all do it for the same reasons... money.
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By Altimaomega 2014-08-28 13:19:20
As for your other crap: yes, passing taxes on the consumer is avoiding taxes, and it's still the producer. Do you have anything else to add to your blind and ignorant hatred of businesses?
I mean, you have yet to add a rebuttal to anything I said.
I'm pretty sure that, by your definitions of "evil", the company you work for is more "evil" than Exxon Mobil.
Jet doesn't add rebuttal he flails around uncontrollably calling names and fixing everyone's grammar. When that doesn't work he stomps his feet and does it all over again. Its fairly easy to notice his pattern after a few threads of watching him repeat it over and over.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-28 13:19:24
However, when the shepherd starts butchering his herd I'll still have my power, food, and water. Will you?
Yeah...I'm sure no one will notice yours is the only house with the lights on in the neighborhood >.>
What makes you think I live in a neighborhood? Why does everyone automatically assume electricity = lights? My two well pumps require power and so does my wood furnace blower. Not to mention my PS4 and Nintendo. You have electric well pumps, an electric furnace blower, a PS4 and a Nintendo? What kind of Amish are you?
The Amish don't actually shun electricity. The shun "frivolity".
You can use electricity to survive, or to make money.
Just not to have fun.
Poor Amish women.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-08-28 13:20:46
However, when the shepherd starts butchering his herd I'll still have my power, food, and water. Will you?
Yeah...I'm sure no one will notice yours is the only house with the lights on in the neighborhood >.>
He's likely got guns too! Solar energy in its current form has trade offs. They aren't environment friendly to make, and they don't have a very long lifespan before needing replacement.
Good setups can last 20 or 30 years, that doesn't seem that bad. But every energy source has pros and cons, that's why diversity is key to sustainability.
But yeah, the manufacturing cost in terms of energy used reduces the overall gain considerably. The same is true with Hybrid Cars. While they may get great gas mileage, all those toxic batteries and the production process generally makes just owning a decent used car more "Green." On the whole, I think the planet is much more adept at handling a little bit of carbon emissions than a mound of toxic lithium batteries, but I couldn't prove that.
By Altimaomega 2014-08-28 13:20:54
As for your other crap: yes, passing taxes on the consumer is avoiding taxes, and it's still the producer. Do you have anything else to add to your blind and ignorant hatred of businesses?
I mean, you have yet to add a rebuttal to anything I said.
I'm pretty sure that, by your definitions of "evil", the company you work for is more "evil" than Exxon Mobil. Oh look at the parrot calling somebody else a parrot...
I'm actually unemployed, and the last company I worked for was a non-profit healthcare organization, so very much not so.
But go on trying to ad-hominem when you really have nothing.
The fact is that you're a denier of cold hard scientific fact, and that's just delusional.
^ See my point.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-08-28 13:22:34
By volkom 2014-08-28 13:22:55
I think the planet is much more adept at handling a little bit of carbon emissions than a mound of toxic lithium batteries, but I couldn't prove that.
i'm curious. If you take a common houseplant or some simple to grow plant that you can keep indoors, i wonder what would happen if you grow it while a lithium battery is in the pot
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-08-28 13:23:37
However, when the shepherd starts butchering his herd I'll still have my power, food, and water. Will you?
Yeah...I'm sure no one will notice yours is the only house with the lights on in the neighborhood >.>
What makes you think I live in a neighborhood? Why does everyone automatically assume electricity = lights? My two well pumps require power and so does my wood furnace blower. Not to mention my PS4 and Nintendo. You have electric well pumps, an electric furnace blower, a PS4 and a Nintendo? What kind of Amish are you?
The Amish don't actually shun electricity. The shun "frivolity".
You can use electricity to survive, or to make money.
Just not to have fun.
Poor Amish women.
Spare them your tears.
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By Jetackuu 2014-08-28 13:23:38
As for your other crap: yes, passing taxes on the consumer is avoiding taxes, and it's still the producer. Do you have anything else to add to your blind and ignorant hatred of businesses?
I mean, you have yet to add a rebuttal to anything I said.
I'm pretty sure that, by your definitions of "evil", the company you work for is more "evil" than Exxon Mobil.
Jet doesn't add rebuttal he flails around uncontrollably calling names and fixing everyone's grammar. When that doesn't work he stomps his feet and does it all over again. Its fairly easy to notice his pattern after a few threads of watching him repeat it over and over.
Somebody is partially projecting, and just mad at the rest.
Here's an idea: if you (and others) didn't use English at the level of an inbred hillbilly, it wouldn't need to be corrected all the damn time.
At least I don't make threads that say one thing in the title, and use an article that says the exact opposite.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-28 13:25:10
Quote: was a non-profit healthcare organization
Yeah...about that.
These "non-profit" healthcare systems are big business. Ask UPMC.
Or, better yet, ask someone who knows about UPMC, as UPMC likely won't say peep.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-08-28 13:25:56
However, when the shepherd starts butchering his herd I'll still have my power, food, and water. Will you?
Yeah...I'm sure no one will notice yours is the only house with the lights on in the neighborhood >.>
What makes you think I live in a neighborhood? Why does everyone automatically assume electricity = lights? My two well pumps require power and so does my wood furnace blower. Not to mention my PS4 and Nintendo. You have electric well pumps, an electric furnace blower, a PS4 and a Nintendo? What kind of Amish are you?
The Amish don't actually shun electricity. The shun "frivolity".
You can use electricity to survive, or to make money.
Just not to have fun.
Poor Amish women.
Spare them your tears.
By Jetackuu 2014-08-28 13:26:27
Quote: was a non-profit healthcare organization
Yeah...about that.
These "non-profit" healthcare systems are big business. Ask UPMC.
Or, better yet, ask someone who knows about UPMC, as UPMC likely won't say peep.
While I have qualms with paying ceos of said companies huge amounts, at least it's better than for-profit healthcare.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-28 13:26:47
I'm failing to see how you'd use that without assistance.
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