Random Politics & Religion #00

You ***the bed, it's my fault. Okay.

I also now wonder if you know what intellectual integrity implies, but hey. I'm done, carry on with your snarky circle-jerk.

I'm still trying to figure out why something that a Massachusetts governor did for his particular state is suddenly something that Republicans as a whole came up with. Regardless, it was never designed to be national, and the abomination that it has become is evidence of that.

Welcome to life, where the only things guaranteed are death and taxes. Should I be able to withhold my tax money if I don't agree with a war effort? No. How is this any different?

I wonder if you know what intellectual integrity implies

Lets see here. Your thought process somehow comes to the conclusion that defending America and her interests is the same as forcing people with jobs to pay for people without jobs or low-income.

Lets see here. Your thought process somehow comes to the conclusion that defending America and her interests is the same as forcing people with jobs to pay for people without jobs or low-income.

Then you have to imagine how someone is unwilling to pay for an option for the health of their fellow countrymen, but will begrudgingly pay for utilities and public works. Except like food stamps and stuff, cause im privileged and wont ever have a probability of falling on my *** so hard that i need them.

You forgot gov. subsidized housing and obama phones. Hell, no need to work at all tbh. I mean why? With all of the above why the hell should anyone even try?

Because the requirement to retain such benefits is to be actively seeking employment, maintain employment, or be seeking enrollment in education (Or having persons within a household doing the same)?

Do you like, actually think the welfare queen is real? That theres people living under section 8 that ONLY live off food stamps and section 8 gratuities? Cuase even though there are abusers, arguing that the system is solely filled with jobless layabouts is stereotyping a whole lot. Even then, the problem would be a lack of enforcement not the system itself.

Because the 6 billion dollars worth of medicaid, food stamps, and welfare that went to the full-time employees of a single corporation in 2014 were working people being forced to pay for people without them? This issue is so much more complex than you seem to understand.

maintain employment

You come to the conclusion that the military actually defends America and her interests at the same time, or that "Interests" are any really valid input in the use of ones military which is constitutionally not allowed to interfere in the affairs of other countries unless a viable threat to America is presented (Other than, "they gon take muh oilz").

Full-time at wal-mart is 32hrs. To they do not even need a full time job.

This issue is so much more complex than you guys seem to understand.

Full-time at wal-mart is 32hrs. To they do not even need a full time job.

This issue is so much more complex than you guys seem to understand.

Yup, because it was all for oil. smh.

Full-time at wal-mart is 32hrs. To they do not even need a full time job.

This issue is so much more complex than you guys seem to understand.

Moreover, why do they consider 32 hours full time?

A same-sex couple from St. John's is upset after discovering the jewelry store that sold them their engagement rings has posted a sign that seems to oppose same-sex marriage — but one of the store's owners says he's allowed to post his religious beliefs.

When Nicole White and Pam Renouf went looking for engagement rings a few months ago, the pair couldn't find anything they liked. The couple was eventually referred to Today's Jewellers in the Mount Pearl area because the store offers custom-made rings.

White and Renouf visited the store and later gave specifications and a price range for potential rings.

"They were great to work with. They seemed to have no issues. They knew the two of us were a same-sex couple," White said.

"I referred some of my friends to them, just because I did get some good customer service and they had good prices."

That was before one friend went in to purchase a ring for his girlfriend — and instead found a distressing sign.

It reads: "The sanctity of marriage is under attack. Let's keep marriage between a man and a woman."

The friend took a picture of the poster, which made its way back to White.

"I had no idea about the sign up until that point," she said.

"It was really upsetting. Really sad, because we already had money down on [the rings]

, and they're displaying how much they are against gays, and how they think marriage should be between a man and a woman."

The couple went to the store the following day, and asked about the sign.

"They just said that that's their beliefs, and they think they can put up whatever they want. I just said it was very disrespectful, it's very unprofessional and I wanted a refund," White said.

"I have no issues with them believing in what they believe in. I think everyone's entitled to their own opinion. But I don't think they should put their personal beliefs inside their business."

White and Renouf hope to get a refund when the man who sold them the rings returns to town next month — but it's not guaranteed.

White said the rings were meant to be a symbol of love, but now the bands seem tainted.

"I think every time I look at that ring, I'll probably think of what we just went through," White said.

Esau Jardon, the co-owner of Today's Jewellers, said he posts several signs in his store throughout the year.

"I have been posting different aspects of my religious beliefs the last 11 years, and I've never had one single problem with any of my customers," he said.

"It seems to be a Canadian right to post what you believe."

Jardon said the sign in question was posted for Mother's Day, because it had to do with families. They also have pamphlets and cards that they hand out at the store as well.

Jardon said he's an immigrant, and feels blessed to live in Canada.

"One of the reasons my family chose to come to Canada was the freedom of rights," he said, noting the freedom of religion and freedom of speech.

"Nothing in that shop or in these posters is against the law... There's nothing there that means to discriminate or to hate anybody else."

Jardon said he won't apologize for his beliefs.

"I feel really bad that [White] feels that we would in any way try to hurt or discriminate against her, but we will not retract from what we believe. I cannot say, 'Well because you feel bad, I will stop believing what I believe,'" he said.

"When I walk on Church Street in Toronto, where I am right now, and I see [LGBT rainbow flags], and I see a lot of signs and a lot of things on public property, I don't have a problem with them. I accept it. I chose to come to Canada... and we accept the whole package... I don't discriminate against that, nor do I come and tell them to take them down. For the same reason, I ask to have the same respect in return, especially when it's in my own business."

Jardon said he's getting a big backlash from social media.

"I had to shut down the Facebook page because of so many hate emails and phone calls and just, really nasty stuff," he said.

When asked if he would offer a refund to the couple, Jardon said he won't be bullied into apologizing for his beliefs or to work for free.

He said the finished rings are ready to be picked up; White and Renouf just have to pay the balance.

There really is very little truly liberal media. There's plenty of left leaning media, but the media being leftist is the result, not the cause.

I've been in consistently conservative on fiscal matters and bordering on libertarian on social. Don't redefine ideologies then try to pull a no real Scotsmen on me. Hence why I call you pseudo-conservative.

That would rely on you accepting evidence for the first time ever.

Um... isn't ACA literally a copy-paste of Romneycare? And basically the same plan that Republicans had been suggesting since the mid-90s at least? The only time the RNC finally backed away from it was when someone with (D) after his name raised his hand and said, "Can we do this?"

Democrats and liberals only accepted ACA as the wedge to open the door. And, despite alarmist predictions and dire warnings, it's been a net positive. It's not nearly good enough (it's frankly disgusting), but it was the first step.

(Liberalism is a mental disorder)

best healthcare system in the world

who doesn't want it

You know Nausi, every single time you say that, it hurts your arguments (and mine by default) significantly.

That's right.

Every
Single
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Time
Period

Stop it. Seriously. People who do not agree with you aren't suffering from a mental disorder.

Because that argument can and will be used against you (in a court of internet forums).

Elected representatives aren't supposed to make laws based on what people want, not in the US at least.

Elected representatives aren't supposed to make laws based on what people want, not in the US at least.

So, it's perfectly ok to make a system where people absolutely hates it from the start, in your mind.

Even though that system is supposed to help but the people are smart enough to see the *** in that law that the authors of the law itself couldn't understand it until they passed it.

Makes sense. Obama's legacy, where even though he had the first 2 years of his presidency to do anything he wanted and still *** it up.

They're supposed to make laws based on who buys them out.

Seriously though, laws/lawmakers are supposed to consider the will of the people but not be utterly bound to it.

I understand the urge to distance yourself from me KN, but the rational is folly. Those whom you argue against will not give you any kind of "points" or currency for "playing nice". They don't want you to play nice, they just want you to shut up. For the life of me I really wish you'd just grasp this concept.

People who think republicans and conservatives own the ACA DO suffer from a mental disorder. I don't care who's feelings are bruised by pointing it out, the truth sometimes hurts.