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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2015-04-15 20:26:26
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Campaign staff DROVE 'ordinary' Iowans to Hillary's first campaign stop - including health care 'lobbyist in training' who was an Obama campaign intern and Biden chauffeur
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By EpicFantasy 2015-04-16 01:54:47
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
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Yes yes, we're all in awe of your wordsmithing skills, but can you at least see how constant jabs at her age and appearance could be interpreted as sexist?

When the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem is a nail. I suppose if someone is really looking for sexism they could see it anywhere. Kinda like racism...

Don't you know how this works? C'mon, you are smarter than that.

No, he isn't.

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Totes. Also really looking forward to at least four more years of top-notch conservative witticisms such as that, which totally couldn't be misconstrued as sexist.
Already getting your accusations ready?

If it's not racism to criticize the president, now it would be sexist to criticize a potential candidate....

Now, ask yourself this: If an African American criticizes/criticized Bush, is that racism?
If you want to lump any and all criticism into one category, then I guess you'd have a point. I'm not doing that.

Yes, you are.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-04-16 04:32:52
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Totes. Also really looking forward to at least four more years of top-notch conservative witticisms such as that, which totally couldn't be misconstrued as sexist.
Already getting your accusations ready?

If it's not racism to criticize the president, now it would be sexist to criticize a potential candidate....

Now, ask yourself this: If an African American criticizes/criticized Bush, is that racism?
If you want to lump any and all criticism into one category, then I guess you'd have a point. I'm not doing that.
You just did.
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By fonewear 2015-04-16 07:55:06
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TLDR:Hillary attack on the rich:(while being rich...don't think about it more than two seconds...)

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/04/hillary-clintons-wall-street-backers-we-get-it-117017.html?hp=t1_r


EW YORK — Hillary Clinton sounded like a woman on a mission after her long drive into the heartland: “There’s something wrong,” she told Iowans on Tuesday, when “hedge fund managers pay lower taxes than nurses or the truckers I saw on I-80 when I was driving here over the last two days.”

But back in Manhattan, the hedge fund managers who’ve long been part of her political and fundraising networks aren’t sweating the putdown and aren’t worrying about their take-home pay just yet.

It’s “just politics,” said one major Democratic donor on Wall Street, explaining that some of her Wall Street supporters doubt she would push hard for closing the carried interest loophole as president, a policy she promoted when she last ran in 2008.

“The question is not going to be whether or not hedge fund managers or CEOs make too much money,” said a separate Clinton supporter who manages a hedge fund. “The question is how do you solve the problem of inequality. Nobody takes it like she is going after them personally.”

Indeed, many of the financial sector donors supporting her just-declared presidential campaign say they’ve been expecting the moment when Clinton started calling out hedge fund managers and decrying executive pay all along — right down to the complaints from critics that such arguments are rich coming from someone who recently made north of $200,000 per speech, and who has been close to Wall Street since her days representing it as a senator from New York.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-04-16 09:51:15
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Heard about 2 million of her FB (or twitter) followers are fake as well.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2015-04-16 10:15:28
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
sometimes its like you're an innocent little lamb, so outraged when common known truths are revealed to you. Beware the mint jelly...
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-04-16 10:40:58
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You know, it's funny. The point is that this is yet another example (of probably hundreds) that she is the least "genuine" person in the pool. I don't think every twitter entity is real, but when you're running for pres, I would think it should be somewhat relevant that less than half of your following is apparently real.

Two different online audit tools say no more than 44 per cent of Hillary's 3.6 million Twitter fans are real people who participate in the platform
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-04-16 10:44:34
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fonewear said: »
TLDR:Hillary attack on the rich:(while being rich...don't think about it more than two seconds...)

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/04/hillary-clintons-wall-street-backers-we-get-it-117017.html?hp=t1_r


EW YORK — Hillary Clinton sounded like a woman on a mission after her long drive into the heartland: “There’s something wrong,” she told Iowans on Tuesday, when “hedge fund managers pay lower taxes than nurses or the truckers I saw on I-80 when I was driving here over the last two days.”

But back in Manhattan, the hedge fund managers who’ve long been part of her political and fundraising networks aren’t sweating the putdown and aren’t worrying about their take-home pay just yet.

It’s “just politics,” said one major Democratic donor on Wall Street, explaining that some of her Wall Street supporters doubt she would push hard for closing the carried interest loophole as president, a policy she promoted when she last ran in 2008.

“The question is not going to be whether or not hedge fund managers or CEOs make too much money,” said a separate Clinton supporter who manages a hedge fund. “The question is how do you solve the problem of inequality. Nobody takes it like she is going after them personally.”

Indeed, many of the financial sector donors supporting her just-declared presidential campaign say they’ve been expecting the moment when Clinton started calling out hedge fund managers and decrying executive pay all along — right down to the complaints from critics that such arguments are rich coming from someone who recently made north of $200,000 per speech, and who has been close to Wall Street since her days representing it as a senator from New York.


Right... a woman who got a 14 million dollar advance on a book nobody bought has any credibility on income inequality...
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-04-16 10:48:24
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Well, I suppose that depends entirely upon whether or not she includes herself and her campaign donors as people who need to pay more taxes.

Sadly, given her trying to appeal to those with limited disposable income as presenting herself as "one of them", I doubt she's going to practice what she preaches.

I find myself beginning to wonder if the country could socially stomach four to eight years of someone like Rubio just for the sake of maybe de-escalating some of this ridiculous ideologic extremism.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2015-04-16 10:49:12
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My point really was it shouldn't be a surprise or concern that politicians, or celebrities and even major brands have inflated social media numbers. It's fairly irrelevant in this day and age.

You're not going to find a politician who is genuine in 2015, regardless of political affiliation. Especially one who is a lawyer.

Politicians will tell you what they think you want to hear in order to secure a vote. Its nothing new.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-04-16 11:06:14
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My point really was it shouldn't be a surprise or concern that politicians, or celebrities and even major brands have inflated social media numbers. It's fairly irrelevant in this day and age.

You're not going to find a politician who is genuine in 2015, regardless of political affiliation. Especially one who is lawyer.

Politicians will tell you what they think you want to hear in order to secure a vote. Its nothing new.

Hey if you're comfortable voting for someone who stands for nothing, kudos on you. If it makes you feel better to state that it doesn't matter because everyone in politics doesn't stand for anything, have at it. We all know that some are more principled than others and at one end is Hil-dawg.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-04-16 11:06:58
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#itisokaywhenademocratdoesit

That should probably be the hashtag for Hillary's entire campaign, because we're going to hear a whole lot of "justify, justify, justify". There's sooooooo much looking the other way that has to happen to put Hillary down on your ballot.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-04-16 11:08:58
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
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My point really was it shouldn't be a surprise or concern that politicians, or celebrities and even major brands have inflated social media numbers. It's fairly irrelevant in this day and age.

You're not going to find a politician who is genuine in 2015, regardless of political affiliation. Especially one who is lawyer.

Politicians will tell you what they think you want to hear in order to secure a vote. Its nothing new.

Hey if you're comfortable voting for someone who stands for nothing, kudos on you. If it makes you feel better to state that it doesn't matter because everyone in politics doesn't stand for anything, have at it. We all know that some are more principled than others and at one end is Hil-dawg.
Who is more principled?
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-04-16 11:12:14
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#itisokaywhenademocratdoesit

That should probably be the hashtag for Hillary's entire campaign, because we're going to hear a whole lot of "justify, justify, justify". There's sooooooo much looking the other way that has to happen to put Hillary down on your ballot.
It is? It seems like they're saying that everyone seems to be doing something like this. Not that it is ok for anyone to actually be doing.

You certainly do like to cry about how you don't think things are fair though and I don't see you out attempting to crucify republicans. Kinda like when people were smashing Hillary for using personal emails but then seemed to not care that pretty much every other presidential potential did as well (except for lindsay graham).

It's pretty hard to cry foul when you're guilty of the same things you accuse others of lol.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-04-16 11:19:09
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#itisokaywhenademocratdoesit

That should probably be the hashtag for Hillary's entire campaign, because we're going to hear a whole lot of "justify, justify, justify". There's sooooooo much looking the other way that has to happen to put Hillary down on your ballot.
It is? It seems like they're saying that everyone seems to be doing something like this.

Not that it is ok for anyone to actually be doing. You certainly do like to cry about how you don't think things are fair though and I don't see you out attempting to crucify republicans. Kinda like when people were smashing Hillary for using personal emails but then seemed to not care that pretty much every other presidential potential did as well (except for lindsay graham).

It's pretty hard to cry foul when you're guilty of the same things you accuse others of lol.

No, you can't pull the hypocrisy card on me in this case. On numerous occasions I have come out against the bullcrap Boehner pulls, and I challenge you to find a post where I give a pass to politicians as a whole every time a Republican does something politician-y. Nice try, though.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2015-04-16 11:25:31
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My point really was it shouldn't be a surprise or concern that politicians, or celebrities and even major brands have inflated social media numbers. It's fairly irrelevant in this day and age.

You're not going to find a politician who is genuine in 2015, regardless of political affiliation. Especially one who is lawyer.

Politicians will tell you what they think you want to hear in order to secure a vote. Its nothing new.

Hey if you're comfortable voting for someone who stands for nothing, kudos on you. If it makes you feel better to state that it doesn't matter because everyone in politics doesn't stand for anything, have at it. We all know that some are more principled than others and at one end is Hil-dawg.

Never stated I was voting for her. If it helps you to place me at one end of the spectrum for the sake of your dichotomy; no ones going to stop you.

Doesn't matter if a Democrat or Republican inflates their social media numbers, for me, outside of jokes. But to say so and so has fake followers therefore they must lack integrity and character is really more of a reflection that the one who draws such a conclusion is inexperienced in the world.

Its irrelevant to any type of criteria one should base a reason to vote or not vote on any candidate.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-04-16 11:39:33
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I challenge you to find a post where I give a pass to politicians as a whole every time a Republican does something politician-y. Nice try, though.

I'll get right on that....
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-04-16 11:58:14
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I challenge you to find a post where I give a pass to politicians as a whole every time a Republican does something politician-y. Nice try, though.
I'll get right on that....

Well I know you won't, but don't you have a bunch of expendable henchmen for your more mundane tasks?
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-04-16 12:00:49
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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Totes. Also really looking forward to at least four more years of top-notch conservative witticisms such as that, which totally couldn't be misconstrued as sexist.
Already getting your accusations ready?

If it's not racism to criticize the president, now it would be sexist to criticize a potential candidate....

Now, ask yourself this: If an African American criticizes/criticized Bush, is that racism?
If you want to lump any and all criticism into one category, then I guess you'd have a point. I'm not doing that.
You just did.
Mmhmm. Pointing out a specific example is how one lumps everything together.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-04-16 12:04:36
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Shiva.Nikolce said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
I challenge you to find a post where I give a pass to politicians as a whole every time a Republican does something politician-y. Nice try, though.
I'll get right on that....

Well I know you won't, but don't you have a bunch of expendable henchmen for your more mundane tasks?

Here's one where you carry water for mittens.

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Kimble2013 said: »
Romney out right lying.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/opinion/19romney.html?_r=0

He totally said to liquidate the auto industry, lol.

Ummm, he not only never said the word "liquidate", he also said "The federal government should provide guarantees for post-bankruptcy financing and assure car buyers that their warranties are not at risk.
In a managed bankruptcy, the federal government would propel newly competitive and viable automakers, rather than seal their fate with a bailout check." This, btw, is exactly what he said in the debate and Obama called him a liar.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2015-04-16 12:04:41
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That's how it works in forums on the internet.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-04-16 12:06:55
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
My point really was it shouldn't be a surprise or concern that politicians, or celebrities and even major brands have inflated social media numbers. It's fairly irrelevant in this day and age.

You're not going to find a politician who is genuine in 2015, regardless of political affiliation. Especially one who is lawyer.

Politicians will tell you what they think you want to hear in order to secure a vote. Its nothing new.

Hey if you're comfortable voting for someone who stands for nothing, kudos on you. If it makes you feel better to state that it doesn't matter because everyone in politics doesn't stand for anything, have at it. We all know that some are more principled than others and at one end is Hil-dawg.
Who is more principled?

Pretty sure none of the other candidates have more than half their twitter following as phony.

Pretty sure none of the other candidates have lied about their grandparents being immigrants.
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By Siren.Mosin 2015-04-16 12:08:23
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
That's how it works in forums on the internet.

I have a post somewhere talking about how there's no way Obama will be a two-term president, lol
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-04-16 12:08:35
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
My point really was it shouldn't be a surprise or concern that politicians, or celebrities and even major brands have inflated social media numbers. It's fairly irrelevant in this day and age.

You're not going to find a politician who is genuine in 2015, regardless of political affiliation. Especially one who is lawyer.

Politicians will tell you what they think you want to hear in order to secure a vote. Its nothing new.

Hey if you're comfortable voting for someone who stands for nothing, kudos on you. If it makes you feel better to state that it doesn't matter because everyone in politics doesn't stand for anything, have at it. We all know that some are more principled than others and at one end is Hil-dawg.
Who is more principled?

Pretty sure none of the other candidates have more than half their twitter following as phony.

Pretty sure none of the other candidates have lied about their grandparents being immigrants.

18 more months of this "authenticity" to come.
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By fonewear 2015-04-16 12:10:19
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
My point really was it shouldn't be a surprise or concern that politicians, or celebrities and even major brands have inflated social media numbers. It's fairly irrelevant in this day and age.

You're not going to find a politician who is genuine in 2015, regardless of political affiliation. Especially one who is lawyer.

Politicians will tell you what they think you want to hear in order to secure a vote. Its nothing new.

Hey if you're comfortable voting for someone who stands for nothing, kudos on you. If it makes you feel better to state that it doesn't matter because everyone in politics doesn't stand for anything, have at it. We all know that some are more principled than others and at one end is Hil-dawg.
Who is more principled?

Pretty sure none of the other candidates have more than half their twitter following as phony.

Pretty sure none of the other candidates have lied about their grandparents being immigrants.

18 more months of this "authenticity" to come.

18 months to figure out she is the nominee seems like a pointless campaign to me !
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2015-04-16 12:11:55
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If it makes you feel better Nausi, Obama has something around 10-15M fake internet followers.
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By fonewear 2015-04-16 12:12:51
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The fact that the POTUS tweets makes me feel old and out of touch !

*** all that ***give me a newspaper and a bottle of scotch !
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-04-16 12:22:52
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
Here's one where you carry water for mittens.
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Kimble2013 said: »
Romney out right lying. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/opinion/19romney.html?_r=0 He totally said to liquidate the auto industry, lol.
Ummm, he not only never said the word "liquidate", he also said "The federal government should provide guarantees for post-bankruptcy financing and assure car buyers that their warranties are not at risk. In a managed bankruptcy, the federal government would propel newly competitive and viable automakers, rather than seal their fate with a bailout check." This, btw, is exactly what he said in the debate and Obama called him a liar.

I was clarifying a statement, because the word "liquidate" wasn't even in their linked article. Keep going, though. If you keep searching my posts from years ago I'm sure you're bound to find something.
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By fonewear 2015-04-16 12:24:23
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It's 2015 why is Mitt Romney news from 2008 relevant ?

As for Detroit they have been lead by a democrat for over 50 years and people wonder why it is a failed city !
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-04-16 12:25:32
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fonewear said: »
The fact that the POTUS tweets makes me feel old and out of touch ! *** all that ***give me a newspaper and a bottle of scotch !

I still don't have a Twitter account....
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