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Random Politics & Religion #00
 Bahamut.Milamber
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-08-04 14:14:36
Practicing architect claiming to do actual construction?
First: it's licensed architect. Second...NO.
I didn't say "actual construction" I said "role in building construction". Lrn2RD! Architects have a huge role in building construction and they don't put a single piece together.
But by all means keep distorting what I said cause you can't overcome the knee jerk reaction that you might be wrong.
What role does the architect play in building construction?
By volkom 2014-08-04 14:15:31
architecting and supervision of construction
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 Ragnarok.Nausi
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-08-04 14:17:27
Practicing architect claiming to do actual construction?
First: it's licensed architect. Second...NO.
I didn't say "actual construction" I said "role in building construction". Lrn2RD! Architects have a huge role in building construction and they don't put a single piece together.
But by all means keep distorting what I said cause you can't overcome the knee jerk reaction that you might be wrong. You dont seem to have a very large conceptualized image of what you said to begin with, and are in fact distorting your own statement. BUILDING CONSTRUCTION implies actually constructing the building. An Architect is someone who designs the building in concerns to multiple factors presented by the client and in accordance to building code. The people that actually CONSTRUCT the structure are laborers aka "Construction Workers". Architects may actually go on site to interpret a blue print for a foreman but their job in that instance is nowhere near actually putting the building together.
You are relatively correct, they have a ROLE in the structure but its not construction.
Architect
Construction Worker,Laborer,Etc.
I make a comparison, you wildly misinterpret it, I call you on it you concede and tell me I'm correct. and Zero STILL tells me I'm wrong AFTER he [+]'s your comment telling me I'm correct.
Hilarious!
By Enuyasha 2014-08-04 14:20:02
Practicing architect claiming to do actual construction?
First: it's licensed architect. Second...NO.
I didn't say "actual construction" I said "role in building construction". Lrn2RD! Architects have a huge role in building construction and they don't put a single piece together.
But by all means keep distorting what I said cause you can't overcome the knee jerk reaction that you might be wrong. You dont seem to have a very large conceptualized image of what you said to begin with, and are in fact distorting your own statement. BUILDING CONSTRUCTION implies actually constructing the building. An Architect is someone who designs the building in concerns to multiple factors presented by the client and in accordance to building code. The people that actually CONSTRUCT the structure are laborers aka "Construction Workers". Architects may actually go on site to interpret a blue print for a foreman but their job in that instance is nowhere near actually putting the building together.
You are relatively correct, they have a ROLE in the structure but its not construction.
Architect
Construction Worker,Laborer,Etc.
I make a comparison, you wildly misinterpret it, I call you on it you concede and tell me I'm correct. and Zero STILL tells me I'm wrong AFTER he [+]'s your comment telling me I'm correct.
Hilarious! relatively being the key word there, but you arent entirely correct. They dont have any actual role in physical construction of a structure, they plan and oversee the buildings design and legality in concerns to regulations.
You made a wild misconception and now you're arguing your misconception instead of the actual argument.
Whats that internet fallacy called again?
Ragnarok.Nausi
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-08-04 14:21:19
Practicing architect claiming to do actual construction?
First: it's licensed architect. Second...NO.
I didn't say "actual construction" I said "role in building construction". Lrn2RD! Architects have a huge role in building construction and they don't put a single piece together.
But by all means keep distorting what I said cause you can't overcome the knee jerk reaction that you might be wrong.
What role does the architect play in building construction?
Well for one architects plan the building that is being constructed. They also oversee construction practices for the owners they work for ensuring constructors actually build what the architects intend to be built (that's actually a pretty big part of the job).
Should I go on?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-04 14:21:47
Practicing architect claiming to do actual construction?
First: it's licensed architect. Second...NO.
I didn't say "actual construction" I said "role in building construction". Lrn2RD! Architects have a huge role in building construction and they don't put a single piece together.
But by all means keep distorting what I said cause you can't overcome the knee jerk reaction that you might be wrong.
What role does the architect play in building construction? Planning the building.
If the building falls down because of poor planning, is it the construction company's fault or the architect?
Ragnarok.Nausi
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-08-04 14:22:44
Practicing architect claiming to do actual construction?
First: it's licensed architect. Second...NO.
I didn't say "actual construction" I said "role in building construction". Lrn2RD! Architects have a huge role in building construction and they don't put a single piece together.
But by all means keep distorting what I said cause you can't overcome the knee jerk reaction that you might be wrong. You dont seem to have a very large conceptualized image of what you said to begin with, and are in fact distorting your own statement. BUILDING CONSTRUCTION implies actually constructing the building. An Architect is someone who designs the building in concerns to multiple factors presented by the client and in accordance to building code. The people that actually CONSTRUCT the structure are laborers aka "Construction Workers". Architects may actually go on site to interpret a blue print for a foreman but their job in that instance is nowhere near actually putting the building together.
You are relatively correct, they have a ROLE in the structure but its not construction.
Architect
Construction Worker,Laborer,Etc.
I make a comparison, you wildly misinterpret it, I call you on it you concede and tell me I'm correct. and Zero STILL tells me I'm wrong AFTER he [+]'s your comment telling me I'm correct.
Hilarious! relatively being the key word there, but you arent entirely correct. They dont have any actual role in physical construction of a structure, they plan and oversee the buildings design and legality in concerns to regulations.
I didn't specify physical construction, you misread that all on your own. But if you meant they have no role in the actual construction phase of a building, you'd be dead wrong on that too.
By Enuyasha 2014-08-04 14:23:33
If the architect plans a building to only have one wall sure, if a worker doesnt insert an exact number of screws and the building collapses, no.
Practicing architect claiming to do actual construction?
First: it's licensed architect. Second...NO.
I didn't say "actual construction" I said "role in building construction". Lrn2RD! Architects have a huge role in building construction and they don't put a single piece together.
But by all means keep distorting what I said cause you can't overcome the knee jerk reaction that you might be wrong. You dont seem to have a very large conceptualized image of what you said to begin with, and are in fact distorting your own statement. BUILDING CONSTRUCTION implies actually constructing the building. An Architect is someone who designs the building in concerns to multiple factors presented by the client and in accordance to building code. The people that actually CONSTRUCT the structure are laborers aka "Construction Workers". Architects may actually go on site to interpret a blue print for a foreman but their job in that instance is nowhere near actually putting the building together.
You are relatively correct, they have a ROLE in the structure but its not construction.
Architect
Construction Worker,Laborer,Etc.
I make a comparison, you wildly misinterpret it, I call you on it you concede and tell me I'm correct. and Zero STILL tells me I'm wrong AFTER he [+]'s your comment telling me I'm correct.
Hilarious! relatively being the key word there, but you arent entirely correct. They dont have any actual role in physical construction of a structure, they plan and oversee the buildings design and legality in concerns to regulations.
I didn't specify physical construction, you misread that all on your own. But if you meant they have no role in the actual construction phase of a building, you'd be dead wrong on that too. Now you want to say "Physical Construction" because we are talking about the act of Construction!
The Architect is there for Design and execution of that design by overseeing the peons so they dont put a bathroom where a closet should be or make a wall less than regulation.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-08-04 14:28:14
Lol, what is even goin on here?
By Enuyasha 2014-08-04 14:28:33
Lol, what is even goin on here? Deflection.
 Lakshmi.Zerowone
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2014-08-04 14:33:24
To answer KNs question:
Planning department. Poorly designed buildings should never get through the municipal planning department. If its well planned and poorly constructed I.e cutting corners to use cheaper materials in order to pocket more money. The onus then falls on the construction team.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-04 14:33:30
Lol, what is even goin on here? Deflection. Strangely enough, that is correct.
At least we can agree that somebody here is deflecting.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-04 14:34:18
To answer KNs question:
Planning department. Poorly designed buildings should never get through the municipal planning department. If its well planned and poorly constructed I.e cutting corners to use cheaper materials in order to pocket more money. The onus then falls on the construction team. Twas a rhetorical question, but nevertheless.
By Enuyasha 2014-08-04 14:35:35
Lol, what is even goin on here? Deflection. Strangely enough, that is correct.
At least we can agree that somebody here is deflecting. 
Well, not entirely. You mean you right?
 Caitsith.Zahrah
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-08-04 14:38:53
Zero, what was it that your dad designed or had a hand in the design of again? I remember you mentioning it, but I don't feel like fishing for it.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2014-08-04 14:39:40
Lol, what is even goin on here?
player hating.
I told them to hate the game and not the player but they are ignoring my advice and are choosing hate the player anyways.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-04 14:40:08
Course not.
I, like other egotistical posters here, think that I'm the God of the Universe and that nothing I say is wrong and I'm the best thing to come to your unwashed souls since sliced pie.
And don't give me any of that cake business either!
edit: added sarcasm tags for the obtuse.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-04 14:40:56
Lol, what is even goin on here?
player hating.
I told them to hate the game and not the player but they are ignoring my advice and are choosing hate the player anyways. Actually, I'm waiting for the "semantics" excuse.
By Enuyasha 2014-08-04 14:41:59
Course not.
I, like other egotistical posters here, think that I'm the God of the Universe and that nothing I say is wrong and I'm the best thing to come to your unwashed souls since sliced pie.
And don't give me any of that cake business either!
edit: added sarcasm tags for the obtuse. but why would you not want Cake :( I could understand if it was whipped cream frosting though....whoever affronted butter cream with that garbage is a Satanist Commie Nazi.
Lol, what is even goin on here?
player hating.
I told them to hate the game and not the player but they are ignoring my advice and are choosing hate the player anyways. Actually, I'm waiting for the "semantics" excuse. I could announce the semantics issue between a Draftsmen and an Architect...but they are relatively the same except Architects require more schooling and draftsmen dont actually go to the site of construction. Architects also get paid more(?).
Bahamut.Milamber
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-08-04 14:42:44
Practicing architect claiming to do actual construction?
First: it's licensed architect. Second...NO.
I didn't say "actual construction" I said "role in building construction". Lrn2RD! Architects have a huge role in building construction and they don't put a single piece together.
But by all means keep distorting what I said cause you can't overcome the knee jerk reaction that you might be wrong.
What role does the architect play in building construction? Planning the building.
If the building falls down because of poor planning, is it the construction company's fault or the architect?
To my (limited) understanding, the architect is for design concept, elicitation of requirements/customer handholding, contracts/status/billing/execution. The actual design would be signed off (depending on scale) by a PE (either civil or structural). Frankly, I'll claim ignorance regarding the process of building commercial housing, but to my (again, limited) knowledge designs submitted to the city are reviewed by a PE.
But to summarize, if the fault is due to poor design, the design responsible is...responsible. If the fault is due to improper production, then it is the construction company.
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Lakshmi.Zerowone
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2014-08-04 14:43:51
Zero, what was it that your dad designed or had a hand in the design of again? I remember you mentioning it, but I don't feel like fishing for it.
Residential, Commercial and Hospitals.
Edit: More specifically Kaiser Permanente in Hollywood and Glendale/Pasadena CA. (Project Manager for WWCOT)
Also was involved in designing the majority of commercial structures in Venice/Santa Monica on Ocean Drive (Tolbin Design)
 Fenrir.Atheryn
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By Fenrir.Atheryn 2014-08-04 14:58:23
I could announce the semantics issue between a Draftsmen and an Architect...but they are relatively the same except Architects require more schooling and draftsmen dont actually go to the site of construction. Architects also get paid more(?).
Draftsmen essentially draw plans. Architects design, draw, make models, ensure building codes are being followed, and supervise the entire process of creating a building.
By Enuyasha 2014-08-04 15:01:41
I could announce the semantics issue between a Draftsmen and an Architect...but they are relatively the same except Architects require more schooling and draftsmen dont actually go to the site of construction. Architects also get paid more(?).
Draftsmen essentially draw plans. Architects design, draw, make models, ensure building codes are being followed, and supervise the entire process of creating a building. yes \('_____________')/
and so i dont just waste a post...
THANKS OBAMA [construction related] PICTURES!
By volkom 2014-08-04 15:20:27
I could announce the semantics issue between a Draftsmen and an Architect...but they are relatively the same except Architects require more schooling and draftsmen dont actually go to the site of construction. Architects also get paid more(?).
Draftsmen essentially draw plans. Architects design, draw, make models, ensure building codes are being followed, and supervise the entire process of creating a building. yes \('_____________')/
and so i dont just waste a post...
THANKS OBAMA [construction related] PICTURES!
all i got out of that was "never trust a woman to hang up a picture"
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By Enuyasha 2014-08-04 15:33:53
I could announce the semantics issue between a Draftsmen and an Architect...but they are relatively the same except Architects require more schooling and draftsmen dont actually go to the site of construction. Architects also get paid more(?).
Draftsmen essentially draw plans. Architects design, draw, make models, ensure building codes are being followed, and supervise the entire process of creating a building. yes \('_____________')/
and so i dont just waste a post...
THANKS OBAMA [construction related] PICTURES!
all i got out of that was "never trust a woman to hang up a picture" I was looking for something along the lines of "Thanks Obama - Female driver"...but google (or the internet) has failed me.
 Bismarck.Bloodrose
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-08-04 15:52:57
I could announce the semantics issue between a Draftsmen and an Architect...but they are relatively the same except Architects require more schooling and draftsmen dont actually go to the site of construction. Architects also get paid more(?).
Draftsmen essentially draw plans. Architects design, draw, make models, ensure building codes are being followed, and supervise the entire process of creating a building. yes \('_____________')/
and so i dont just waste a post...
THANKS OBAMA [construction related] PICTURES!
all i got out of that was "never trust a woman to hang up a picture" I was looking for something along the lines of "Thanks Obama - Female driver"...but google (or the internet) has failed me. Thou shalt go back to the basics of Google Fu.
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Ragnarok.Nausi
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-08-04 16:02:12
If the architect plans a building to only have one wall sure, if a worker doesnt insert an exact number of screws and the building collapses, no.
Practicing architect claiming to do actual construction?
First: it's licensed architect. Second...NO.
I didn't say "actual construction" I said "role in building construction". Lrn2RD! Architects have a huge role in building construction and they don't put a single piece together.
But by all means keep distorting what I said cause you can't overcome the knee jerk reaction that you might be wrong. You dont seem to have a very large conceptualized image of what you said to begin with, and are in fact distorting your own statement. BUILDING CONSTRUCTION implies actually constructing the building. An Architect is someone who designs the building in concerns to multiple factors presented by the client and in accordance to building code. The people that actually CONSTRUCT the structure are laborers aka "Construction Workers". Architects may actually go on site to interpret a blue print for a foreman but their job in that instance is nowhere near actually putting the building together.
You are relatively correct, they have a ROLE in the structure but its not construction.
Architect
Construction Worker,Laborer,Etc.
I make a comparison, you wildly misinterpret it, I call you on it you concede and tell me I'm correct. and Zero STILL tells me I'm wrong AFTER he [+]'s your comment telling me I'm correct.
Hilarious! relatively being the key word there, but you arent entirely correct. They dont have any actual role in physical construction of a structure, they plan and oversee the buildings design and legality in concerns to regulations.
I didn't specify physical construction, you misread that all on your own. But if you meant they have no role in the actual construction phase of a building, you'd be dead wrong on that too. Now you want to say "Physical Construction" because we are talking about the act of Construction!
The Architect is there for Design and execution of that design by overseeing the peons so they dont put a bathroom where a closet should be or make a wall less than regulation.
Still flailing away? Again this is what I said...
"Architects have no role in building construction because construction companies actually put the pieces together."
Yes yes, the architect takes on that role during building construction. Their role is quite a bit more detailed than that as well. Alternative design solutions often need to be integrated as the whole process of building is quite fluid. Sometimes when accelerated time-frames are sought, building AND design occur almost simultaneously with walls and floors being designed shortly after the foundation concrete is poured.
Ragnarok.Nausi
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-08-04 16:04:36
Course not.
I, like other egotistical posters here, think that I'm the God of the Universe and that nothing I say is wrong and I'm the best thing to come to your unwashed souls since sliced pie.
And don't give me any of that cake business either!
edit: added sarcasm tags for the obtuse. but why would you not want Cake :( I could understand if it was whipped cream frosting though....whoever affronted butter cream with that garbage is a Satanist Commie Nazi.
Lol, what is even goin on here?
player hating.
I told them to hate the game and not the player but they are ignoring my advice and are choosing hate the player anyways. Actually, I'm waiting for the "semantics" excuse. I could announce the semantics issue between a Draftsmen and an Architect...but they are relatively the same except Architects require more schooling and draftsmen dont actually go to the site of construction. Architects also get paid more(?).
Just quit, and cut your losses.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-08-04 16:08:51
Take your own advice nausi, nobody cares about the crap you are spewing.
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Lakshmi.Flavin
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-08-04 16:11:47
So back to the original point... What does this have to do with Obama again? lol...
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