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Random Politics & Religion #00
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By Bahamut.Kara 2014-07-26 15:54:37
I thought this was interesting
Quote: Men who have recovered from the disease (ebola)can still transmit the virus through their semen for up to 7 weeks after recovery from illness.
It made me wonder about women who are infected and pregnant. The first woman to recover and still carry her baby happened during this outbreak (from what I could find). Otherwise miscarriages happen and there is a higher mortality rate.
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/pregnant-woman-victoria-yillah-first-to-survive-ebola-in-sierra-leone/story-fneuz9ev-1226954032393
http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/179/Supplement_1/S11.long
Edit: huh seems to be a sperm day on random p&r
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-07-26 18:18:01
Men who have recovered from the disease (ebola)can still transmit the virus through their semen for up to 7 weeks after recovery from illness. Three pages with discussion of sperm! Loves it!
Either I am misunderstanding it (which is certainly possible), or it seems to be a strangely distinguished specialization of a sacrifical strategy. Or simply a frame of reference problem. The way I've always been taught and read altruism is that it's a particular behavior that benefits another organism by reducing one's own fitness. The link below does a pretty good job of explaining altruism in biology, but also has a nice part But is it ‘Real’ Altruism? at the end.
Biological Altruism
Quote: In evolutionary biology, an organism is said to behave altruistically when its behaviour benefits other organisms, at a cost to itself. The costs and benefits are measured in terms of reproductive fitness, or expected number of offspring. So by behaving altruistically, an organism reduces the number of offspring it is likely to produce itself, but boosts the number that other organisms are likely to produce. This biological notion of altruism is not identical to the everyday concept. In everyday parlance, an action would only be called ‘altruistic’ if it was done with the conscious intention of helping another. But in the biological sense there is no such requirement. Indeed, some of the most interesting examples of biological altruism are found among creatures that are (presumably) not capable of conscious thought at all, e.g. insects. For the biologist, it is the consequences of an action for reproductive fitness that determine whether the action counts as altruistic, not the intentions, if any, with which the action is performed.
I think it's important to note that in the slime mold example. The amoebas that comprise the slime mold are fully functional unicellular organisms unlike the Wood mouse sperm. The Amoebas are able to perform binary fission and survive independently of the slime-mold/slug.
That article above also touches on another concept gene-centered view of evolution
Quote: This is in contrast to the organism-centered viewpoint adopted historically by biologists. Proponents of the gene-centered viewpoint argue that it permits understanding of diverse phenomena such as altruism and intragenomic conflict that are otherwise difficult to explain from an organism-focused perspective.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-07-26 18:35:23
I'm telling you, that definition of Altruism was inserted into the biological text by surreptitious means by creationists or creationist apologists like Ben Stein. They seek to muddy the debate and create reactionary alcoves in discussion where they can retreat. No Biologist I've ever spoken to, including my Bio102 Evolutionary Biology professors considered the definition you are bringing in here to have a valid and traceable source.
But in a synergistic manner with the whole Politically correct debate, people are somewhat afraid to stand up and say it's ***.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-07-26 18:40:05
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2014-07-26 18:40:07
Why is that definition of biological altruism erroneous? I see nothing wrong with it, and it perfectly fits the concept, in my opinion.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-07-26 18:46:55
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »Why is that definition of biological altruism erroneous? I see nothing wrong with it, and it perfectly fits the concept, in my opinion.
There's nothing wrong with it, I'm just having fun debating semantics for literally the same reason I put in my last comment. You can infinitely find places to hide in based on personal interpretation.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2014-07-26 19:46:33
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-07-26 22:22:48
No Biologist I've ever spoken to, including my Bio102 Evolutionary Biology professors considered the definition you are bringing in here to have a valid and traceable source.
To stab the dead horse one last time lol
Genetics of Mutualism: The Evolution of Altruism between Species
STEVEN A. FRANK
Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, University of California, Irvine,
By Jetackuu 2014-07-26 22:43:21
To be fair: a low level biology prof isn't really all that credible.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-07-26 22:51:33
Professors will usually teach a variety of courses unless their research only so it isn't really an indication of qualifications by itself.
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By Jetackuu 2014-07-26 22:53:23
Professors will usually teach a variety of courses unless their research only so it isn't really an indication of qualifications by itself.
typically, I'd like one of those nice tenure research only positions, man I'm in the wrong field.
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By Anna Ruthven 2014-07-28 19:14:51
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-07-28 20:05:42
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By Bismarck.Magnuss 2014-07-29 08:43:12
The hell did we do to Greece? Also, even though we hate France, apparently the feeling isn't mutual.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-07-29 08:48:57
I'm surprised that Germany isn't higher.
But we need to start shitting on more countries. Like Vietnam, I guess they forgot what we did to them 30-40 years ago. Time for Vietnam War II: This Time ***Gets Real!
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By Leviathan.Redherring 2014-07-29 08:57:05
Why is the Philippines so high? is it cause of aid like the red cross or just that they really like american pop culture?
i know they really like clash of clans in the Philippines.
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By Bahamut.Alukat 2014-07-29 08:58:12
I'm surprised that Germany isn't higher.
well, seems like the citizens have been asked and not only our politicians....
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-07-29 08:59:32
Leviathan.Redherring said: »Why is the Philippines so high? is it cause of aid like the red cross or just that they really like american pop culture?
i know they really like clash of clans in the Philippines. American Fetishism.
A lot of American culture is influenced by what seems exotic, or can be made to seem exotic.
Also, the international funding and aid.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2014-07-29 09:16:37
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »Also, the international funding and aid.
it hasn't helped us any in egypt. I find your reasoning flawed
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-07-29 09:19:01
You find anything coming from a Canadian flawed, because you are Canada's jean shorts.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-07-29 09:25:13
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »You find anything coming from a Canadian flawed, because you are Canada's jean shorts I am America's hat. ftfy
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2014-07-29 09:32:34
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »You find anything coming from a Canadian flawed.
amen
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By Anna Ruthven 2014-07-29 09:43:01
I hate maple syrup.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-07-29 09:43:56
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »You find anything coming from a Canadian flawed, because you are Canada's jean shorts I am America's hat. ftfy
One way or the other, based on the clothing listed here, we're looking at full frontal nudity at the border, and that's not a bad thing.
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By Anna Ruthven 2014-07-29 09:45:14
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »You find anything coming from a Canadian flawed, because you are Canada's jean shorts I am America's hat. ftfy
One way or the other, based on the clothing listed here, we're looking at full frontal nudity at the border, and that's not a bad thing. Carly Rae Jepsen is Canadian so I'm cool with that.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-07-29 12:48:06
Random Politics & Religion Update
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2014-07-29 12:52:19
Did anyone ever request a cease fire from the us during any of the iraq/afganastan wars?
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-07-29 12:52:34
Leviathan.Redherring said: »Why is the Philippines so high? is it cause of aid like the red cross or just that they really like american pop culture?
i know they really like clash of clans in the Philippines.
We have armed and trained their entire military for one, and we rescued them from the Japanese 70 years ago for two.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-07-29 12:55:01
Did anyone ever request a cease fire from the us during any of the iraq/afganastan wars? Didn't the US offer ceasefire negotiations for the apprehension and overturning of high profile targets, that were ultimately refused?
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