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By Odin.Jassik 2015-03-09 21:42:09
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Bartender! I'll have what he's having.
Be careful, facts can be intoxicating.
Facts? All you did was declare she did nothing illegal while completely ignoring the laws she broke.
smh
You cited a regulation that excludes electronic mail and directs to NARA's guidelines which specifically exclude what she did.
You are claiming she did something illegal, but the only thing you've provided is something that says it wasn't illegal. Back up your claims.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-03-09 21:45:02
The only problem I see with Hillary's e-mail situation is that what has been turned over so far clearly is not complete. It will take subpoenas and a fair amount of time to finally get everything handed over. Well, you know, everything that hasn't been destroyed already, of course.
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By Bloodrose 2015-03-09 21:48:26
The only problem I see with Hillary's e-mail situation is that what has been turned over so far clearly is not complete. It will take subpoenas and a fair amount of time to finally get everything handed over. Well, you know, everything that hasn't been destroyed already, of course. I destroy my emails by submerging my laptop in battery acid.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-03-09 21:48:44
The only problem I see with Hillary's e-mail situation is that what has been turned over so far clearly is not complete. It will take subpoenas and a fair amount of time to finally get everything handed over. Well, you know, everything that hasn't been destroyed already, of course.
I don't know if they have the right to subpoena them, as she isn't legally compelled to share them. Either way, I'd rather she turned nothing over out of principal than picking and choosing what she turned over.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2015-03-09 21:49:47
Aman has never been able to back up his claims, he will type an unsourced sentence and just expect everyone to take his word for it.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2015-03-09 21:49:52
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Bartender! I'll have what he's having.
Be careful, facts can be intoxicating.
Facts? All you did was declare she did nothing illegal while completely ignoring the laws she broke.
smh
You cited a regulation that excludes electronic mail and directs to NARA's guidelines which specifically exclude what she did.
You are claiming she did something illegal, but the only thing you've provided is something that says it wasn't illegal. Back up your claims.
Read th fk'n thing already. You are stating the exact opposite of what the regulations are.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-09 21:50:30
Feel free to post the laws she broke, as you have yet to do that. , as enacted by the Federal Records Act of 1950, amended to include electronic records in 1986.
I'm sure you are going to ignore that little tidbit. But hey, she did commit a felony. I guess she will get a pass.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2015-03-09 21:51:19
Aman has never been able to back up his claims, he will type an unsourced sentence and just expect everyone to take his word for it.
I posted the regulations in their entirety but feel free to further diminish what little credibility you may have left.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-09 21:54:25
You are going about it all wrong.
I'm surprised that nobody bothered to mention the Federal Records Act at all. Since it requires agencies (and heads of agencies) to maintain all records of government business in a public database unless deemed classified for security purposes.
Which she shouldn't have the ability to claim (she may have security clearance, but not the ability to create secret or above documents).
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-03-09 21:54:27
The only problem I see with Hillary's e-mail situation is that what has been turned over so far clearly is not complete. It will take subpoenas and a fair amount of time to finally get everything handed over. Well, you know, everything that hasn't been destroyed already, of course. I don't know if they have the right to subpoena them, as she isn't legally compelled to share them. Either way, I'd rather she turned nothing over out of principal than picking and choosing what she turned over.
Yeah, the whole cherry picking thing is going to cause her more troubles than anything else. I know people like to say that Benghazi isn't a scandal, but when 50,000 emails get handed over by Hillary and not even one mentions Benghazi, it's going to look suspicious and it's going to continue to haunt her campaign. A perceived scandal can be just as damaging as a real one, so regardless of where one stands on the issue it must be acknowledged as a problem.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-09 21:57:08
I'll give you guys all night to read over the law. I expect people to admit that she did break it, and give various reasons why she deserves a pass for something anybody with a (R) next to their name would have been convicted already.
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By Bloodrose 2015-03-09 21:57:18
The only problem I see with Hillary's e-mail situation is that what has been turned over so far clearly is not complete. It will take subpoenas and a fair amount of time to finally get everything handed over. Well, you know, everything that hasn't been destroyed already, of course. I don't know if they have the right to subpoena them, as she isn't legally compelled to share them. Either way, I'd rather she turned nothing over out of principal than picking and choosing what she turned over.
Yeah, the whole cherry picking thing is going to cause her more troubles than anything else. I know people like to say that Benghazi isn't a scandal, but when 50,000 emails get handed over by Hillary and not even one mentions Benghazi, it's going to look suspicious and it's going to continue to haunt her campaign. A perceived scandal can be just as damaging as a real one, so regardless of where one stands on the issue it must be acknowledged as a problem. In regards to perception versus reality, perception is often more damaging than reality. Whether what is perceived is the truth, fabrication of the truth (truth based lies), outright slander/libel, defamation of character, or other, as it goes through the grapevine, facts, truths, and lies become distorted and bigger than what actually happened.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2015-03-09 21:59:35
I don't how anyone can defend what she did. I really don't. If you find yourself defending the illegal actions of a politician because you've been told she is your next President then it's probably time to look inward at wtf is wrong with yourself and what they have done to you.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-03-09 21:59:53
I'll give you guys all night to read over the law. I expect people to admit that she did break it, and give various reasons why she deserves a pass for something anybody with a (R) next to their name would have been convicted already.
Looks like I have some "light" reading to do!
By Bloodrose 2015-03-09 22:01:03
I've already skimmed over the important parts, and points of interest.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-03-09 22:01:41
I'll give you guys all night to read over the law. I expect people to admit that she did break it, and give various reasons why she deserves a pass for something anybody with a (R) next to their name would have been convicted already.
That's NARA, which SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDES confidential communique. It also states that the head of any agency can alter their reporting policies without notifying.
She didn't break any law by not disclosing the emails. Does 2016 already have all you reactionaries so freaked out?
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2015-03-09 22:02:44
You are going about it all wrong.
I'm surprised that nobody bothered to mention the Federal Records Act at all. Since it requires agencies (and heads of agencies) to maintain all records of government business in a public database unless deemed classified for security purposes.
Which she shouldn't have the ability to claim (she may have security clearance, but not the ability to create secret or above documents).
Is that a joke? You don't think the Secretary of State has the ability to create top secret documents? Pretty much all outgoing correspondence from the State Dept. is going to be classified. The public is not entitled to see the conversations between foreign leaders. This is exactly why no one is mentioning the Federal Records Act.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-03-09 22:04:56
The only problem I see with Hillary's e-mail situation is that what has been turned over so far clearly is not complete. It will take subpoenas and a fair amount of time to finally get everything handed over. Well, you know, everything that hasn't been destroyed already, of course. I don't know if they have the right to subpoena them, as she isn't legally compelled to share them. Either way, I'd rather she turned nothing over out of principal than picking and choosing what she turned over.
Yeah, the whole cherry picking thing is going to cause her more troubles than anything else. I know people like to say that Benghazi isn't a scandal, but when 50,000 emails get handed over by Hillary and not even one mentions Benghazi, it's going to look suspicious and it's going to continue to haunt her campaign. A perceived scandal can be just as damaging as a real one, so regardless of where one stands on the issue it must be acknowledged as a problem.
It's not mentioned whether her personal emails ever included communication about it and they haven't disclosed what extent her official email was used, either. But, yes, all these perceived scandals have had their intended result; making anyone associated with Obama look bad to uneducated and uninformed people.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2015-03-09 22:11:56
Ahh there's that elistist attitude wafting their own farts with a smile while they are wrong time and time again.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2015-03-09 22:14:34
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Ahh there's that elistist attitude wafting their own farts with a smile while they are wrong time and time again.
Yes, you have still failed to show she broke a law. Feel free to post the actual law that she broke at anytime. The law that KN posted was wrong, so, try again.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-03-09 22:15:20
Textbook projection... If you're so much smarter and more informed that everyone else, why does the opposite of your proclamations almost always happen?
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2015-03-09 22:17:51
Such as Jassik? I recall you pretending, already, that you didn't vote for Obama.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2015-03-09 22:18:33
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Ahh there's that elistist attitude wafting their own farts with a smile while they are wrong time and time again.
Yes, you have still failed to show she broke a law. Feel free to post the actual law that she broke at anytime. The law that KN posted was wrong, so, try again.
Backread a few pages already you re-re. Try and keep up. kbye
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2015-03-09 22:21:25
Still waiting for that citation from Aman, as I said, he can never provide it. He falsely claims to have done so, but it hasn't happened.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-03-09 22:25:17
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Such as Jassik? I recall you pretending, already, that you didn't vote for Obama. 
You're losing your edge, jimbob.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2015-03-09 22:26:42
Still waiting for that citation from Aman, as I said, he can never provide it. He falsely claims to have done so, but it hasn't happened.
Isn't that just like Vic expecting to have life handed to him, too lazy to even click back 5 pages. I'm sorry brah I will not be posting it again. Get your first exercise in a decade and click back 5 pages.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2015-03-09 22:29:06
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Such as Jassik? I recall you pretending, already, that you didn't vote for Obama.
You're losing your edge, jimbob.
And with no ammunition left Jassik takes his last desperate gasp and all the escapes is a queef of a taunt.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2015-03-09 22:30:12
Right on cue, falsely claims to have done it, says he won't do it again, so he remains holding absolutely nothing. Classic Aman. Still no evidence presented by anyone that Hillary broke any laws. Of course, it isn't going to happen, considering if evidence existed, it would have been presented already by some Republican in Congress.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-03-09 22:32:21
Right on cue, falsely claims to have done it, says he won't do it again, so he remains holding absolutely nothing. Classic Aman. Still no evidence presented by anyone that Hillary broke any laws. Of course, it isn't going to happen, considering if evidence existed, it would have been presented already by some Republican in Congress.
And he's resorting to pathetic baiting and playing the victim in record time.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2015-03-09 22:33:04
Right on cue, falsely claims to have done it, says he won't do it again, so he remains holding absolutely nothing. Classic Aman. Still no evidence presented by anyone that Hillary broke any laws. Of course, it isn't going to happen, considering if evidence existed, it would have been presented already by some Republican in Congress.
And he's resorting to pathetic baiting and playing the victim in record time.
Thats all he ever does, its like he follows the same script everyday.
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