Random Politics & Religion #00
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Random Politics & Religion #00
Drama Torama said: » Seriously, someone out there likes him, and I want to know why. There has to be a reason, and I haven't followed this closely enough so far to know what it is. - Very hawkish towards ISIS (the "carpet bomb them into oblivion" thing) - Unwilling to compromise, extremely partisan - Seems to tag his Christianity into his talking points more than any other candidate These seem to be his biggest selling points, which says quite a bit about his supporters. Bahamut.Ravael said: » fonewear said: » I've asked this about Hillary countless times and other than women voting for her I just don't see the appeal... - Generally similar to Obama in policy - Seen as less partisan and more center-aligned than Bernie, giving her more of a pragmatist approach compared to Bernie's idealist approach - First female president (eyeroll all you want, but that does carry cultural significance)
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Valefor.Sehachan said: » Don't fool yourselves, in the end it will be Jeb Bush vs O'Malley! I found like 3 people that plan on voting for O Malley ! 
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Shiva.Viciousss said: » I can't think that's ok buddy, you tried
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Sylph.Jeanpaul said: » Drama Torama said: » Seriously, someone out there likes him, and I want to know why. There has to be a reason, and I haven't followed this closely enough so far to know what it is. - Very hawkish towards ISIS (the "carpet bomb them into oblivion" thing) - Unwilling to compromise, extremely partisan - Seems to tag his Christianity into his talking points more than any other candidate These seem to be his biggest selling points, which says quite a bit about his supporters. Bahamut.Ravael said: » fonewear said: » I've asked this about Hillary countless times and other than women voting for her I just don't see the appeal... - Generally similar to Obama in policy - Seen as less partisan and more center-aligned than Bernie, giving her more of a pragmatist approach compared to Bernie's idealist approach - First female president (eyeroll all you want, but that does carry cultural significance) That is exactly why I wouldn't vote for her. I don't vote for "symbolic" leaders.
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fonewear said: » That is exactly why I wouldn't vote for her. I don't vote for "symbolic" leaders.
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Asura.Kingnobody said: » Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: » a candidate both Republicans and Democrats can like. Hillary Clinton will never be a candidate any Republican can like. She is just too much like Obama. You're a partisan, so of course you'd never like Clinton. Her policies are generally center-right on most foreign policy/fiscal/healthcare related issues, leaning predictably left on social ones. It's why she gets so much flak from Sanders supporters because if she wasn't Hillary Clinton she'd look more like a moderate Kaisch-esque Republican than the standard bearer of liberalism. All the Wall Street support only confirms this. She doesn't intend to rock the boat, social liberals enjoy the fact she isn't overtly hostile towards their causes and Republicans would enjoy a Clinton who would most likely ramp up a hawkish stance on Nat. Security and be as business friendly as Obama / Clinton v.1. So yeah. To most middle voters, she's got appeal. Care to sell the Cruz appeal outside hardcore partisans? Or why Cruz would even be a good candidate?
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Plus she is a grandma pretty sure there is an amendment that says grandma's can't be President.
Sylph.Jeanpaul said: » Bahamut.Ravael said: » fonewear said: » I've asked this about Hillary countless times and other than women voting for her I just don't see the appeal... - Generally similar to Obama in policy - Seen as less partisan and more center-aligned than Bernie, giving her more of a pragmatist approach compared to Bernie's idealist approach - First female president (eyeroll all you want, but that does carry cultural significance) For the bolded, I've done that plenty. Mostly because there have been months and months of defending everything she's done wrong with nobody pointing out anything she's done right. The DNC held her up Rafiki-style and everyone bowed. I'm just glad she has an actual challenger at this point so that the Sanders supporters can finally vote for someone they like instead of voting for
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For years, whenever someone on TV said "partisan" I thought of this...
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Do you mean to say that party, policies, character, etc aside, you would not vote for a female on the grounds that you have beef with electing the first female president? Or is it more that you just hate when people use that as a reason to vote for a female?
I wouldn't vote for a woman it is really that simple.
1. She is a woman 2. She is a woman. 3. Because she is a woman. However if she pulls a Bruce Jenner I would re consider it cause she would no longer be a woman. I already distilled Clinton:
She promises more of the same in a relatively safe choice for POTUS compared to all of her opposition. Sanders is an idealist aiming for massive change that may/may not happen but has general appeal in voters frustrated in a gov't subservient to the rich. Clinton's not going to dove on national security, is moderate on social issues (even if she pulled the same evolve *** Obama did), is business friendly by Democratic standards and generally comes off as being a pragmatic leader with the experience to back it up. fonewear said: » I wouldn't vote for a woman it is really that simple. 1. She is a woman 2. She is a woman. 3. Because she is a woman. However if she pulls a Bruce Jenner I would re consider it cause she would no longer be a woman. Anna Ruthven said: » For years, whenever someone on TV said "partisan" I thought of this... You aren't the only one.
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Drama Torama said: » Honest question: does anyone here actually like Cruz? And if so, why? He seems like a thoroughly repulsive human being, and there's nothing I've seen in his policy so far that you can't get from one of the others in the field. I'm serious, I want to know the appeal. Help me out here. Reasons why Cruz is popular. #1 He is not Trump. #2 Nobody in either party likes him. At all.. Not even a little.. #3 Far as I've been able to find out, he hasn't outright lied like Rubio. Politics is one thing, Rubio simply lied. It will be hard defending that if he is the nominee. #4 All democrats hate him and think he is crazy. #5 He is not Trump.. and mostly all of trumps followers will back him. I say mostly all because many of Trumps followers have never voted before and if he drops out they may continue the habit. Hopefully Trump either fully endorses Cruz or accepts being the VP. Cruz/Trump or Trump/Cruz will be unstoppable with all the anti-government and anti-establishment feeling this election. Did I mention he isn't Trump? This is a good thing:
Women in the U.S. Congress 2015. In 2015, 104 (76D, 28R) women hold seats in the United States Congress, comprising 19.4% of the 535 members; 20 women (20%) serve in the United States Senate, and 84 women (19.3%) serve in the United States House of Representatives. Altimaomega said: » he hasn't outright lied Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: » You're a partisan, so of course you'd never like Clinton. Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: » Her policies are generally center-right on most foreign policy/fiscal/healthcare related issues, leaning predictably left on social ones. It's why she gets so much flak from Sanders supporters because if she wasn't Hillary Clinton she'd look more like a moderate Kaisch-esque Republican than the standard bearer of liberalism. She is for amnesty, which is a liberal concept. She is for tax and spend, which is also a liberal concept. She is for Obamacare, which (regardless of the defenders of the law say) is a heavy liberal concept. She is about as far left as Obama, and that's when you actually place them in the right side of the political spectrum and don't move the goalposts to put everyone but Sanders to the right. Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: » be as business friendly as Obama Obama has been nothing but business unfriendly since he was elected. Unless the only businesses you look at are his donors and "green" companies (that ultimately fail due to bad business practices and corruption). You are as much out of touch of reality as Vic and Jet.
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Is there any way to tell someone they look like a Dukes of Hazzard villain?
Cause James Traficant looks like one.
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It's bad enough we let women vote now one is asking us to vote for her ! Oh how times have changed.
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: » I already distilled Clinton: She promises more of the same in a relatively safe choice for POTUS compared to all of her opposition. Sanders is an idealist aiming for massive change that may/may not happen but has general appeal in voters frustrated in a gov't subservient to the rich. Clinton's not going to dove on national security, is moderate on social issues (even if she pulled the same evolve *** Obama did), is business friendly by Democratic standards and generally comes off as being a pragmatic leader with the experience to back it up. More of the same? *Looks around.* No thanks. But that's at least a better answer than what I've heard lately. She's bland, business friendly (supposedly), and the "safe" choice. Kinda like the female version of Mitt Romney, I guess?
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If Hillary is such a good candidate why didn't she win in 2008 ?
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: » Is there any way to tell someone they look like a Dukes of Hazzard villain? Cause James Traficant looks like one. fonewear said: » If Hillary is such a good candidate why didn't she win in 2008 ? One word: Charisma. She doesn't have it.
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