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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-12-18 16:16:19
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-12-18 16:17:22
Figures I would page with that.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2015-12-18 16:18:59
Figures I would page with that.
It's all about Gardevoir!
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2015-12-18 17:16:44
For Democrats it was 19 percent yes and 36 percent no
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-12-18 19:30:47
I support bombing Agrabah. Jafar's a dirty terrorist.
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By Siren.Akson 2015-12-18 23:44:02
Paul sounds better then them all.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2015-12-18 23:44:21
Not if the information was gathered by another candidate. They aren't out there spending money on research to share it with their competition. I expect this issue to be resolved by the end of the day, once again Aman is delusional.
Looks like a resolution has been reached that allows Sanders' campaign access to the previously withheld information. Fortunately, I live in the central time zone!
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By Valefor.Endoq 2015-12-19 00:01:53
Mew killed PnR... Good job Mew, good job...
By fonewear 2015-12-19 09:40:33
So am I the only one going to watch the Democratic debate tonight ?
I need my fix of crazy Bernie Sanders.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2015-12-19 11:15:55
So am I the only one going to watch the Democratic debate tonight ?
I need my fix of crazy Bernie Sanders.
Debate buried on Saturday night versus NFL football. The DNC plot to protect Hillary continues. The real competition was paid off a long time ago anyway. If Bernie holds out long enough he will have a nice salary for life at the Clinton Foundation; 2mil a year at least.
Democrat voters never had a choice.
By fonewear 2015-12-19 11:21:29
Football or Bernie Sanders that is a tough call...
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2015-12-19 11:27:17
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »If Bernie holds out long enough he will have a nice salary for life at the Clinton Foundation; 2mil a year at least.
You sure about that? As of yesterday, Sanders is suing the DNC for actively trying to sabotage his campaign in favor of Clinton.
By maldini 2015-12-19 11:33:29
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By fonewear 2015-12-19 11:33:48
Bernie Sanders is suing the DNC so the press will give him some coverage !
By fonewear 2015-12-19 11:35:13
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Video won't play for us here is one that will:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2015/12/17/furor-over-arabic-assignment-leads-virginia-school-district-to-close-friday/
A Virginia county closed all of its schools Friday because of intense backlash over a class assignment about Islam, with some parents alleging that their children were being subjected to Muslim indoctrination and educators emphasizing the importance of exposing U.S. students to the world’s fastest-growing religion.
A high school geography teacher in rural Augusta County asked students to try their hand at writing the shahada, an Islamic declaration of faith, in Arabic calligraphy. The task, community reaction to it, and a sudden influx of outrage from around the country — including angry emails, phone calls and threats to put the teacher’s head on a stake — led the school district to close rather than risk disruption or violence.
By maldini 2015-12-19 11:54:46
By fonewear 2015-12-19 11:56:17
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I didn't listen to the woman in the video cause her clothes were on !
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By maldini 2015-12-19 12:05:57
I didn't listen to the woman in the video cause her clothes were on !
you need to listen to get their clothes off, dude.
Join my "how to get her clothes off" online workshops.
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By fonewear 2015-12-19 12:48:31
I support bombing Agrabah. Jafar's a dirty terrorist.
What about bombing Iran ?
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By charlo999 2015-12-19 12:52:23
Here is a roundup of the opinion poll survey and its findings that were talked about earlier.
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Simpleton video for the simple minded. Things as messy as the current state of the world don't just happen. There is history and nuance to it. If you want to be a simpleton that's your choice, but keep out of history and politics because it is anything but simple. That type of thinking and idiocy is what perpetuates it. Its part of the problem, not the solution.
Lets first differentiate between the acts that are all lumped together as acts of terrorism. (call me crazy)
82% of the world's "terrorism" occurs in 5 countries.
Iraq : In a state of Civil war. In the Iraqi/Iranian War, the US armed Sadam Hussein's Bathist regime to serve as a regional counterweight to the growing influence of Iran. They empowered a totalitarian dictatorship and they had no qualms at the time with him putting down any and all legitimate resistance to his seat in power. All minorities other than the Ba'athist party supporters were oppressed and persecuted. This includes Sunni, Shi'ia and ethnic kurds. Iran itself had deposed their dictator, the Shah. Because the Shah was so unpopular, once he was deposed the islamic revolutionists turned their attention on his greatest beneficator and supporter; the US (Ayotollah Khomani gave them the nickname the "great satan". It is because of this that Sadam Hussein was suddenly the month's flavor. Few who know any history at all will argue agains the fact that the Shah's Iran was the US's closest ally in the region - rivaling the US's special relationship with Israel.
Following the end of the Iraqi/Iranian war Sadam, the madman, soon invaded the peaceful nation of Kuwait after receiving a nod from Washington. The US dragged Saudi Arabia into the conflict by showing the Saudi Government what is the equivelant of photoshopped Satelite images, showing a build up of Iraq's military on the Saudi border. Saudi Arabia gave the US military bases in its borders. Iraq was defeated. It is at this time that an American asset known as Al-Qaeda, who had been training "freedom" fighters in Afghanistan to fight off foreign threats (namely the USSR during the 80's invasion of Afghanistan - which was a proxy point of the cold-war) for the past 20 years, went rogue and turned on the US and the Saudi regime. Their leader, Osama Bin Laden, a highly trained(by the US) and elite saudi billionar made threats that the US chose to ignore.
Iraq suffered defeat, had sanctions put on it for a decade. Almost a million people died (more than 500k children) during this decade due to lack of medical supplies and overall crippling sanctions. But they left Sadam in power.
During the same decade, Al Qaeda in Afghanistan went undisturbed and unchallenged due to their hosts, the ruling regime, Taliban's protection - despite many warnings from the Arab Gulf States.
9/11 happens. The US retaliates by attacking 2 countries that either had absolutely nothing to do with it in Iraq's case, or were not the perpetraitors in Afghanistan's case (taliban =/= al qaeda and afghanistan =/= taliban). Afhganistan itself was already in a state of civil war as the taliban and northern alliance had been in a state of impasse for 6 years. Iraq was sent back to the stone ages. No WMDs were ever found, no relation or connection to 9/11. The world quickly forgot the lies that Collin Powel (he admitted it), Rumsfeld and *** Cheney told the world. Better yet, the Taliban in Afghanistan were never defeated and the population that supported the US turned against them after a decade of internal strife.
The US, installed a sectarian Shiaa regime in Iraq and withdrew its troops. The shiaa pro-Iranian regime made quick work of settling old scores and committed many atrocities, first targeting ex-ba'athist party members and military generals/commanders, then all sunni's became easy prey. This continued for 3 years. During which Sunni's became radicalized and started to form local militias to resist the new Sectarian, Iranian puppet regime. They had great success as they were backed by some Arab regimes who have been at a state of cold war with Iran, since the Shiaa revolution (that's when they kicked out the american puppet Shah).
Al Qaeda in Iraq capitalized on this, and joint the fight against the Shiaa. They gained a lot of footing making use of the momentum. The sunni tribes, who felt abandoned by the US and left to suffer the persecution of the Iranian backed Shiaa regime, had no issues with Al Qaeda killing off their enemies. The Ex-ba'athist joined this alliance, further bolstering it with their knowledge of military warfare. They did so well, that Al Qaeda in Iraq hijacked their political war and turned it into a religious one. (it was sectarian to start with, and now it became full on radicalized extremism with "death to america" as their slogan)
Al Qaeda HQ backed this for a while, and Al Qaeda Iraq began to spread beyond the Iraqi borders into Syria, where the Arab spring had left the Ba'athist Syrian party there weakened. They (Al Qaeda in Iraq) gained such a firm foothold in Syria, they changed their name to Al Qaeda in the levant. They wanted to rise to power in Syria so much, that they started killing all other militias who were also at war with the Ba'athist Asaad regime. At this point Al Qaeda HQ denounced them. So Al Qaeda in the levant rebranded to "Islamic State in Iraq and Syria - but you know them as ISIS".
Now you can call all of the attacks that occur in Iraq and Syria as "acts of terror" or you can call it what it is, a messy and *** up war with too many powers trying to influence its outcome.
If you define the above as acts of terror, fine. But its not the same as the "terrorists" attacks taking place against foreign/western cities. Those are actual terrorists attacks against a population that is not in the place of war.
82% of the terror attacks you are referring to take place in the countries that have been decimated by war/civil war.
The OVERWHELMING majority of terrorist attacks occuring in the US are not by Islamic extremists/radicals/alqaeda or w/e you want to call it. It is homegrown terrorism, as much as 93% if memory serves correctly.
So you can either continue to watch material that makes your world smaller and simpler, or you can grow up and be a human being and start to learn.
Important to note: Syria and Iraq were SECULAR Arab Nations, not Islamic. Their main rivals and enemies were always Islamists such as the Muslim Brotherhood. But that's another story. I don't want your brain to explode with all this information. Its much easier to just "ugh urr islam"
Did you even watch the vid?
By a Sunni Muslim human rights activist woman.
It talks about what the Muslim population thinks about extremist Islam. And the different means the extremist agenda is being pushed. With surveyed data.
Not about which terrorist attacks are islamic or how the wars in the Middle East came about.
Yes, I watched the entire thing. It was painful. She is ill informed and makes very broad statements.
It wasn't more than 1 minute into the video that she made an incorrect and misleading statement. I suffered through it and continued to watch. Then she says Hamas are one of the factions responsible for terror attacks in the US... until date there has never been a single Hamas terror attack in the US.
She says the same about Hezbulah - again, not a single attack in the US. In fact, both Hamas and Hezbulah have never attacked any other nation outside their borders.
I'm anti Hamas, Anti-Muslim Brotherhood, and most definitely anti-Hezbulah. I'm a Sunni Muslim. Just because the person presenting this video is Sunni Muslim doesn't make me inclined or obliged to agree with her. I agree and seek the truth. I don't see things in "us vs them" unless "us" = people who seek the truth and base our opinions on it. So she could be my long last aunt and be willing to give me 1,000,000 USD and it wouldn't make anything she is saying any more truthful.
The entire video is filled with lies, half truths and cherry picking without any nuance or actual point other than to reduce the complex situation in the world to a form of simplicity that lazy and uninformed viewers can use to entrench themselves in their ignorant position.
Sorry late reply been away.
This is the second time you've made foolish rebuttals.
Your making pretty broad statements yourself, can you say what exactly you believe are lies?
At 1 min she states "most terrorism in the world today involves Muslims in one way or another" are you calling this a lie? Or is it something else?
No where in the vid does she mention Hamas or Hezbollah has attacked the US. This is either a mistake from you or you are being purposely ignorant trying to defend something you say you are anti.
She does say that the violent extreme jihadists are mostly found within these groups. And from these groups most of the terrorism from around the world comes from. So there goes your stawman.
You say the entire vid is full with lies.
NAME THEM.
Do you disagree with the surveys findings?
Or is it to tough for you to take on board the world wide beliefs of Muslims on this issue.
Am I to take your word (a safe, looked after, westernised Muslim living in the wealthy UAE, that has in turn seems to have given you a very liberal version of Islam (although strange given the violations of human rights there being under sharia law mostly)) or this survey.
At least make a intelligent honest rebuttal if that is possible.
In the meantime here is a vid outlining the Muslim brotherhoods plans on America and the implementation that has already happened.
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For the record can you tell me your opinion on the punishments in UAE and if you agree with them. Like stoning, the woman in 2014 and lashings. Apostasy, etc. would you like to see the west under such laws? if you do disagree why did you move there, money?
human rights in UAE
By maldini 2015-12-19 14:25:25
Here is a roundup of the opinion poll survey and its findings that were talked about earlier.
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Simpleton video for the simple minded. Things as messy as the current state of the world don't just happen. There is history and nuance to it. If you want to be a simpleton that's your choice, but keep out of history and politics because it is anything but simple. That type of thinking and idiocy is what perpetuates it. Its part of the problem, not the solution.
Lets first differentiate between the acts that are all lumped together as acts of terrorism. (call me crazy)
82% of the world's "terrorism" occurs in 5 countries.
Iraq : In a state of Civil war. In the Iraqi/Iranian War, the US armed Sadam Hussein's Bathist regime to serve as a regional counterweight to the growing influence of Iran. They empowered a totalitarian dictatorship and they had no qualms at the time with him putting down any and all legitimate resistance to his seat in power. All minorities other than the Ba'athist party supporters were oppressed and persecuted. This includes Sunni, Shi'ia and ethnic kurds. Iran itself had deposed their dictator, the Shah. Because the Shah was so unpopular, once he was deposed the islamic revolutionists turned their attention on his greatest beneficator and supporter; the US (Ayotollah Khomani gave them the nickname the "great satan". It is because of this that Sadam Hussein was suddenly the month's flavor. Few who know any history at all will argue agains the fact that the Shah's Iran was the US's closest ally in the region - rivaling the US's special relationship with Israel.
Following the end of the Iraqi/Iranian war Sadam, the madman, soon invaded the peaceful nation of Kuwait after receiving a nod from Washington. The US dragged Saudi Arabia into the conflict by showing the Saudi Government what is the equivelant of photoshopped Satelite images, showing a build up of Iraq's military on the Saudi border. Saudi Arabia gave the US military bases in its borders. Iraq was defeated. It is at this time that an American asset known as Al-Qaeda, who had been training "freedom" fighters in Afghanistan to fight off foreign threats (namely the USSR during the 80's invasion of Afghanistan - which was a proxy point of the cold-war) for the past 20 years, went rogue and turned on the US and the Saudi regime. Their leader, Osama Bin Laden, a highly trained(by the US) and elite saudi billionar made threats that the US chose to ignore.
Iraq suffered defeat, had sanctions put on it for a decade. Almost a million people died (more than 500k children) during this decade due to lack of medical supplies and overall crippling sanctions. But they left Sadam in power.
During the same decade, Al Qaeda in Afghanistan went undisturbed and unchallenged due to their hosts, the ruling regime, Taliban's protection - despite many warnings from the Arab Gulf States.
9/11 happens. The US retaliates by attacking 2 countries that either had absolutely nothing to do with it in Iraq's case, or were not the perpetraitors in Afghanistan's case (taliban =/= al qaeda and afghanistan =/= taliban). Afhganistan itself was already in a state of civil war as the taliban and northern alliance had been in a state of impasse for 6 years. Iraq was sent back to the stone ages. No WMDs were ever found, no relation or connection to 9/11. The world quickly forgot the lies that Collin Powel (he admitted it), Rumsfeld and *** Cheney told the world. Better yet, the Taliban in Afghanistan were never defeated and the population that supported the US turned against them after a decade of internal strife.
The US, installed a sectarian Shiaa regime in Iraq and withdrew its troops. The shiaa pro-Iranian regime made quick work of settling old scores and committed many atrocities, first targeting ex-ba'athist party members and military generals/commanders, then all sunni's became easy prey. This continued for 3 years. During which Sunni's became radicalized and started to form local militias to resist the new Sectarian, Iranian puppet regime. They had great success as they were backed by some Arab regimes who have been at a state of cold war with Iran, since the Shiaa revolution (that's when they kicked out the american puppet Shah).
Al Qaeda in Iraq capitalized on this, and joint the fight against the Shiaa. They gained a lot of footing making use of the momentum. The sunni tribes, who felt abandoned by the US and left to suffer the persecution of the Iranian backed Shiaa regime, had no issues with Al Qaeda killing off their enemies. The Ex-ba'athist joined this alliance, further bolstering it with their knowledge of military warfare. They did so well, that Al Qaeda in Iraq hijacked their political war and turned it into a religious one. (it was sectarian to start with, and now it became full on radicalized extremism with "death to america" as their slogan)
Al Qaeda HQ backed this for a while, and Al Qaeda Iraq began to spread beyond the Iraqi borders into Syria, where the Arab spring had left the Ba'athist Syrian party there weakened. They (Al Qaeda in Iraq) gained such a firm foothold in Syria, they changed their name to Al Qaeda in the levant. They wanted to rise to power in Syria so much, that they started killing all other militias who were also at war with the Ba'athist Asaad regime. At this point Al Qaeda HQ denounced them. So Al Qaeda in the levant rebranded to "Islamic State in Iraq and Syria - but you know them as ISIS".
Now you can call all of the attacks that occur in Iraq and Syria as "acts of terror" or you can call it what it is, a messy and *** up war with too many powers trying to influence its outcome.
If you define the above as acts of terror, fine. But its not the same as the "terrorists" attacks taking place against foreign/western cities. Those are actual terrorists attacks against a population that is not in the place of war.
82% of the terror attacks you are referring to take place in the countries that have been decimated by war/civil war.
The OVERWHELMING majority of terrorist attacks occuring in the US are not by Islamic extremists/radicals/alqaeda or w/e you want to call it. It is homegrown terrorism, as much as 93% if memory serves correctly.
So you can either continue to watch material that makes your world smaller and simpler, or you can grow up and be a human being and start to learn.
Important to note: Syria and Iraq were SECULAR Arab Nations, not Islamic. Their main rivals and enemies were always Islamists such as the Muslim Brotherhood. But that's another story. I don't want your brain to explode with all this information. Its much easier to just "ugh urr islam"
Did you even watch the vid?
By a Sunni Muslim human rights activist woman.
It talks about what the Muslim population thinks about extremist Islam. And the different means the extremist agenda is being pushed. With surveyed data.
Not about which terrorist attacks are islamic or how the wars in the Middle East came about.
Yes, I watched the entire thing. It was painful. She is ill informed and makes very broad statements.
It wasn't more than 1 minute into the video that she made an incorrect and misleading statement. I suffered through it and continued to watch. Then she says Hamas are one of the factions responsible for terror attacks in the US... until date there has never been a single Hamas terror attack in the US.
She says the same about Hezbulah - again, not a single attack in the US. In fact, both Hamas and Hezbulah have never attacked any other nation outside their borders.
I'm anti Hamas, Anti-Muslim Brotherhood, and most definitely anti-Hezbulah. I'm a Sunni Muslim. Just because the person presenting this video is Sunni Muslim doesn't make me inclined or obliged to agree with her. I agree and seek the truth. I don't see things in "us vs them" unless "us" = people who seek the truth and base our opinions on it. So she could be my long last aunt and be willing to give me 1,000,000 USD and it wouldn't make anything she is saying any more truthful.
The entire video is filled with lies, half truths and cherry picking without any nuance or actual point other than to reduce the complex situation in the world to a form of simplicity that lazy and uninformed viewers can use to entrench themselves in their ignorant position.
Sorry late reply been away.
This is the second time you've made foolish rebuttals.
Your making pretty broad statements yourself, can you say what exactly you believe are lies?
At 1 min she states "most terrorism in the world today involves Muslims in one way or another" are you calling this a lie? Or is it something else?
No where in the vid does she mention Hamas or Hezbollah has attacked the US. This is either a mistake from you or you are being purposely ignorant trying to defend something you say you are anti.
She does say that the violent extreme jihadists are mostly found within these groups. And from these groups most of the terrorism from around the world comes from. So there goes your stawman.
You say the entire vid is full with lies.
NAME THEM.
Do you disagree with the surveys findings?
Or is it to tough for you to take on board the world wide beliefs of Muslims on this issue.
Am I to take your word (a safe, looked after, westernised Muslim living in the wealthy UAE, that has in turn seems to have given you a very liberal version of Islam (although strange given the violations of human rights there being under sharia law mostly)) or this survey.
At least make a intelligent honest rebuttal if that is possible.
In the meantime here is a vid outlining the Muslim brotherhoods plans on America and the implementation that has already happened.
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For the record can you tell me your opinion on the punishments in UAE and if you agree with them. Like stoning, the woman in 2014 and lashings. Apostasy, etc. would you like to see the west under such laws? if you do disagree why did you move there, money?
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You just posted a video of one of the craziest women to ever be on television. She has no agenda whatsoever lol...very insightful into who you actually are.
Also, if you want to know about the UAE, I suggest you look for everything and not just cherry picked events.
http://www.socialprogressimperative.org/data/spi/countries/ARE
http://economicsandpeace.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Global-Peace-Index-Report-2015_0.pdf
Quote: The global Social Progress Index ranked the UAE as number one for the lowest level of violent crime, the lowest homicide rate, the lowest undernourishment rate, and the highest rate of enrolment in secondary education.
Quote: For the index as a whole, the UAE ranked number one in the Middle East and 37th worldwide.
Quote: The index, developed by economists led by a Harvard Business School professor, measures a country’s basic human needs, foundations of wellbeing and opportunities such as personal rights, personal freedom and choice, tolerance and also access to advanced education.
The UAE ranks number one globally for treating women with respect
Can you show me the UAE's version of Ferguson? How about school shootings? Can you show me the rape rates in the UAE and then compare them to Sweden's, the US's, The UK's? no? didn't think so.
How about corporate corruption?
How about literacy rates?
How about sexual crimes against children?
You want to take a shot at the UAE, be my guest lol - we only have like 3-4 million Europeans and Americans here and hundreds of millions more trying to come and live here.
Also in the fight against Terrorism, we have a much lower level of tolerance than even the USA.
(Many organizations viewed as terrorist or supporters of terrorism are politically active in the US)
http://www.thenational.ae/uae/government/list-of-groups-designated-terrorist-organisations-by-the-uae
By fonewear 2015-12-19 18:15:51
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »So am I the only one going to watch the Democratic debate tonight ?
I need my fix of crazy Bernie Sanders.
Debate buried on Saturday night versus NFL football. The DNC plot to protect Hillary continues. The real competition was paid off a long time ago anyway. If Bernie holds out long enough he will have a nice salary for life at the Clinton Foundation; 2mil a year at least.
Democrat voters never had a choice.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2015-12-19 18:22:17
Can you show me the rape rates in the UAE and then compare them to Sweden's
Can't really do that accurately because of how rape is defined in different countries. In Sweden we have a pretty broad definition and many report it so it seems like we have more than in other countries.
Let's not forget that some countries treat women who report it badly and many don't report it for that reason
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By fonewear 2015-12-19 18:25:14
You raped the definition of the word rape my friend !
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By fonewear 2015-12-19 19:42:59
Our country has been attacked by evil republicans and the only person that can stop it is Bernie Sanders !
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By fonewear 2015-12-19 20:19:38
If I watch Hillary for 5 more minutes I'm pretty sure I'll be sterile...
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By Ramyrez 2015-12-19 20:51:36
If I watch Hillary for 5 more minutes I'm pretty sure I'll be sterile...
Please keep watching.
By charlo999 2015-12-20 04:10:16
The agenda of keeping America and its constitution safe, I agree.
Thanks for the advise, I'll keep away from wiki when getting my info in future
Since most terrorism in the world has roots in Islam at the moment a country under sharia and dominantly Islam is not going to be very high on the target list. Those numbers mean little.
Woman are not equal to men in UAE do you agree they shouldn't be?
They are respected as long as they keep to their place right?
I'm not surprised crime is low in a materially rich country with such harsh punishments, which is Islam based/sharia in a Dominantly Muslim population. I'd expect high adherence.
I worked in Qatar, so I know what the draw to those places are. It's money.
I asked your opinion on those practices and like a true politician you've bait and switched. Stop dodging questions.
I'll ask again do you agree with stoning, lashing, death for apostasy, homosexuality punishments, death for various other crimes, etc?
By fonewear 2015-12-20 04:11:50
If I watch Hillary for 5 more minutes I'm pretty sure I'll be sterile...
Please keep watching.
I did it was worth it ! I actually watched the whole damn thing it gave me nightmares.
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By Leviathan.Vienne 2015-12-20 05:40:22
If I watch Hillary for 5 more minutes I'm pretty sure I'll be sterile...
Please keep watching.
I did it was worth it ! I actually watched the whole damn thing it gave me nightmares. Hillary needs a new style advisor, where does she get those horrid ugly suits from? If I want to get things done I throw in some cleavage (only works on men though).
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