Bahamut.Milamber said: »
Because it is compulsory and unavoidable?
Is it? I don't recall any schools holding guns to kids' heads and forcing them to praise Jesus in song.
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Is it? I don't recall any schools holding guns to kids' heads and forcing them to praise Jesus in song.
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*** always set it on fire, it has security cameras now lol
These days Lucia is more about celebrating light at such a dark time of the year instead of anything Christian While it is compulsory most people are fine with it, if they're not it's because they have to sing and they don't want to, not because of what it stands for.
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Bahamut.Ravael said: » Bahamut.Milamber said: » Because it is compulsory and unavoidable? Is it? I don't recall any schools holding guns to kids' heads and forcing them to praise Jesus in song. You can see Stratechuk v. Board of Education; the appeal was declined to be heard by the US Supreme Court some years ago. Bismarck.Dracondria said: » *** always set it on fire, it has security cameras now lol These days Lucia is more about celebrating light at such a dark time of the year instead of anything Christian While it is compulsory most people are fine with it, if they're not it's because they have to sing and they don't want to, not because of what it stands for. Denmark is non-secular and in all the public schools jul is celebrated. It is not about the religion but about the traditions, many going back to pagan times. Last week some of my daughters classmates (ages 18 months - 3 years) visited a church as one of their field trips. It was a little odd for me at first, not something I would find acceptble in the US. But it's not like Mil and I didn't know Denmark had a state religion, versus a secular country. We don't have a big jul goat but (an old tradition) someone used to dress up as a goat and tell everyones secrets in town. Weird scandinavians :p
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Asura.Kingnobody said: » .... How harmful is it to sing "Silent Night" anyway? Bahamut.Ravael said: » Bahamut.Milamber said: » Because it is compulsory and unavoidable? And yes, this is over 60 years ago. But I have yet to forgive let alone to forget.
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Bahamut.Kara said: » Last week some of my daughters classmates (ages 18 months - 3 years) visited a church as one of their field trips. It was a little odd for me at first, not something I would find acceptble in the US. But it's not like Mil and I didn't know Denmark had a state religion, versus a secular country. We did that too since it was the first time in a church for many kids. It was educational rather than religious. The church we went to is pretty old, the old parts were built around 1175-1200. The newer additions are from the 1300s and 1400s. Nice church, even my mom was buried in the cemetery there. There's also a rune stone outside that we got to see 
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Bahamut.Milamber said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » Garuda.Chanti said: » Not evil, just compulsory and unavoidable. How harmful is it to sing "Silent Night" anyway? Why not Cthulu? If you don't want to sing Christmas songs, don't volunteer to be part of a Christmas Pageant. Garuda.Chanti said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » .... How harmful is it to sing "Silent Night" anyway? Bahamut.Ravael said: » Bahamut.Milamber said: » Because it is compulsory and unavoidable? And yes, this is over 60 years ago. But I have yet to forgive let alone to forget. AKA Get over yourself. Asura.Kingnobody said: » Bahamut.Milamber said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » Garuda.Chanti said: » Not evil, just compulsory and unavoidable. How harmful is it to sing "Silent Night" anyway? Why not Cthulu? If you don't want to sing Christmas songs, don't volunteer to be part of a Christmas Pageant.
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Traditional Christmas songs are now religious ceremonies? I lol'd.
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I wonder how King would feel if the 600,000 Americans and 3,000,000 Expats living in the UAE had to have their children recite the Quran on a daily basis.
I don't see how a Muslim can see whats wrong with forcing others to adhere to their own personal beliefs by force is wrong, but you guys can't see why its wrong to force people to adhere to your own personal beliefs. Bismarck.Dracondria said: » the giant Yule Goat please tell me you guys burn that thing at some point...
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Bahamut.Ravael said: » Traditional Christmas songs are now religious ceremonies? I lol'd. maldini said: » I don't see how a Muslim can see whats wrong with forcing others to adhere to their own personal beliefs by force is wrong, but you guys can't see why its wrong to force people to adhere to your own personal beliefs. we have idiots here too!
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Some people clearly don't know what the term "false equivalence" means.
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Some good news
The two men who went from Göteborg to Syria to fight for ISIS and executed people on video have been sentenced to life in prison.
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Bahamut.Ravael said: » Some people clearly don't know what the term "false equivalence" means. Bismarck.Dracondria said: » It has been set on fire 27 times since 1966 or w/e I'm fine with them doing it if they at least wait until after Christmas lol should burn it on new years eve, on purpose, and have a big party. duh. Asura.Kingnobody said: » Don't put yourself in a situation that requires you to sing songs you don't want to sing. It's as simple as that. If you don't want to sing Christmas songs, don't volunteer to be part of a Christmas Pageant.
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maldini said: » Bahamut.Ravael said: » Some people clearly don't know what the term "false equivalence" means. I still don't see where this so-called force is coming from. Examples from decades ago hardly count. This thread needs more Nordic/Teutonic Christmas feel goods!
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » Don't put yourself in a situation that requires you to sing songs you don't want to sing. It's as simple as that. If you don't want to sing Christmas songs, don't volunteer to be part of a Christmas Pageant. Bahamut.Ravael said: » maldini said: » Bahamut.Ravael said: » Some people clearly don't know what the term "false equivalence" means. I still don't see where this so-called force is coming from. Examples from decades ago hardly count. Garuda.Chanti said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » .... If you don't want to sing Christmas songs, don't volunteer to be part of a Christmas Pageant. Oh, I forgot, you had a gun to your head at the time, right? Garuda.Chanti said: » I often wish I could.
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Bahamut.Ravael said: » maldini said: » Bahamut.Ravael said: » Some people clearly don't know what the term "false equivalence" means. I still don't see where this so-called force is coming from. Examples from decades ago hardly count. The force could be coming from the citizens, even the majority of the citizens. The majority of the US could have the stance that the US is a christian nation, but that is still at odds with the fact that the US is a secular democracy. So either the constitution changes to state that Protestantism or Christianity in general is the official religion of the US, or these things start getting fixed so that the US, on the ground and in reality, becomes a secular state - across the nation.
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maldini said: » The force could be coming from the citizens, even the majority of the citizens. Bahamut.Ravael said: » Traditional Christmas songs are now religious ceremonies? I lol'd. Catch up the late 20th century at least if the 21st is beyond you. So now people are acting oblivious to how school works?
You don't get to up and leave. If you're not made to participate then you're still a captive audience. Not everyone celebrates Jesus's birthday. This is not a hard concept.
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Asura.Kingnobody said: » maldini said: » The force could be coming from the citizens, even the majority of the citizens. Gasp, secular democracy protecting the rights of minorities, what a truly anti-American, anti-democratic phenomenon.
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