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By Bahamut.Kara 2015-11-20 09:57:01
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »

If you give the people the choice of "Muslims have nothing to do with terrorism" vs. "lets round up all the Muslims and kick em out" people are going to drift towards the less dangerous option.
Can we do that with teenage boys too?

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By Ramyrez 2015-11-20 09:57:29
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If you give the people the choice of "Muslims have nothing to do with terrorism" vs. "lets round up all the Muslims and kick em out" people are going to drift towards the less dangerous option.

I agree as a gut reaction. But contrary to popular idioms, gut reactions are not always the best course of action. Gut reactions also say to ban all firearms and imprison everyone who even might be a sexual predator.

The Constitution is pretty rough on all these things though.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-11-20 09:58:31
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Bahamut.Kara said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »

If you give the people the choice of "Muslims have nothing to do with terrorism" vs. "lets round up all the Muslims and kick em out" people are going to drift towards the less dangerous option.
Can we do that with teenage boys too?

Ooh paged, good times

Teenage boys? Or ISIS trained refugees? I don't know if this is still relating to the orphans with ak-47s or some inner lament against American teenage angst.
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By Ramyrez 2015-11-20 10:02:06
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Bahamut.Kara said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »

If you give the people the choice of "Muslims have nothing to do with terrorism" vs. "lets round up all the Muslims and kick em out" people are going to drift towards the less dangerous option.
Can we do that with teenage boys too?

Ooh paged, good times

Teenage boys? Or ISIS trained refugees? I don't know if this is still relating to the orphans with ak-47s or some inner lament against American teenage angst.

What about American teenage boys with AK-47s?

Frankly, my gut reaction is that any teenager with an AK-47 is nothing but trouble and I would like to be thrown out of the country regardless of their origin.

But, I mean. C'mon.

Some of them turn out okay:
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By Ramyrez 2015-11-20 10:05:31
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Bahamut.Kara said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »

If you give the people the choice of "Muslims have nothing to do with terrorism" vs. "lets round up all the Muslims and kick em out" people are going to drift towards the less dangerous option.
Can we do that with teenage boys too?

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GDI Kara. I liked it before you added Insanity Wolf, and now I can't like it again.

ROOKS. GET ON MAKING A "Like Edit" FUNCTION!
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By Drama Torama 2015-11-20 10:06:55
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Ramyrez said: »

What about American teenage boys with AK-47s?

Frankly, my gut reaction is that any teenager with an AK-47 is nothing but trouble and I would like to be thrown out of the country regardless of their origin.

But, I mean. C'mon.

Some of them turn out okay:

If you think this is turning out okay, then your bar is lower than mine:
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2015-11-20 10:08:07
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AFP says 18 bodies have been carried out of the hotel and that there are no more hostages in the hotel
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By Jassik 2015-11-20 10:08:18
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
A fair point. I'm not going to deny that there is poverty in America. Maybe being up at 2 A.M. watching the National Geographic channel that shows true poverty makes me a little skeptic about poverty in America, who knows. I'm just pointing out that we, here in America, have it much much MUCH better than those do in Africa.

Nobody is saying that we don't. But statements like "there's no homeless people in Buffalo" make you sound like a crazy person.

In all likelihood I'm betting KN means that there are no people who aren't homeless by choice. There's always going to be idiots who choose to be self destructive and therefore are homeless. We all have sympathy for them, but disagree on how best to help them.

Not many people are homeless by choice. Some because of bad luck and bad decisions, others because of substance abuse, many because of medical issues like mental illness. You can't write off a stupid statement like his with another stupid one like yours.

Substance abuse is a choice, bad decisions are a choice. Bad luck isn't and mental illness can go either way, as people who refuse help are making that choice. People who choose to be homeless through their choices make the vast majority of them and you in no way help them by coddling them.

I (theoretically) help the crack head begging for money on the street corner by refusing to subsidize their bad decisions than you do by giving them money to further destroy themselves.

Uh, substance dependency is a medical illness, buddy. And decisions often aren't easily assigned good or bad until long after the fact and often because of changes after the fact.

If it makes you feel better about your life to boil every hardship down to choice, have at it, but it is not universal truth, so stop spreading it as if it were.
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By Ramyrez 2015-11-20 10:09:37
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Drama Torama said: »
If you think this is turning out okay, then your bar is lower than mine:

You're talking to someone who watched "Carpool" the whole way through with three friends on a Sunday afternoon in February, and after we realized what we'd done there was a lot of eye locking in the room with the mutual thought, "we probably shouldn't admit this just happened."

But I'll do it anyway because why not?

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By Ramyrez 2015-11-20 10:12:09
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Bismarck.Dracondria said: »
AFP says 18 bodies have been carried out of the hotel and that there are no more hostages in the hotel

Are they differentiating perpetrators from victims in that body count? I'm seeing "only" 3 victims cited right now, but I'm not following super-closely.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2015-11-20 10:13:37
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Ramyrez said: »
Bismarck.Dracondria said: »
AFP says 18 bodies have been carried out of the hotel and that there are no more hostages in the hotel

Are they differentiating perpetrators from victims in that body count? I'm seeing "only" 3 victims cited right now, but I'm not following super-closely.

They did not, it only said bodies. I'm assuming it's terrorists + victims since it seems to be over now.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2015-11-20 10:16:00
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Al-Mourabitoun is the group behind it, an offshoot of al-Qaida.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2015-11-20 10:16:27
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Jassik said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
I still don't get what my upbringing has to do with bombers stuffing themselves with drugs before they do it.
It has to do with desperation. Their upbringing leads them down a path. Using narcotics to overcome the fear of actually carrying it out speaks more to their doubts about their actions than anything else.
Just as a mater of compulsive correctness it isn't a narcotic, its an amphetamine.


The tiny pill fueling Syria’s war and turning fighters into superhuman soldiers

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As The Post's Liz Sly recently noted, the war in Syria has become a tangled web of conflict dominated by "al-Qaeda veterans, hardened Iraqi insurgents, Arab jihadist ideologues and Western volunteers."

On the surface, those competing actors are fueled by an overlapping mixture of ideologies and political agendas.

Just below it, experts suspect, they're powered by something else: Captagon.

A tiny, highly addictive pill produced in Syria and widely available across the Middle East, its illegal sale funnels hundreds of millions of dollars back into the war-torn country's black-market economy each year, likely giving militias access to new arms, fighters and the ability to keep the conflict boiling, according to the Guardian.

“Syria is a tremendous problem in that it’s a collapsed security sector, because of its porous borders, because of the presence of so many criminal elements and organized networks,” the U.N. Office on Drugs and Crime (UNDOC) regional representative, Masood Karimipour, told Voice of America. “There’s a great deal of trafficking being done of all sorts of illicit goods — guns, drugs, money, people. But what is being manufactured there and who is doing the manufacturing, that’s not something we have visibility into from a distance.”

A powerful amphetamine tablet based on the original synthetic drug known as "fenethylline," Captagon quickly produces a euphoric intensity in users, allowing Syria's fighters to stay up for days, killing with a numb, reckless abandon....

"I felt like I own the world high," another user said. "Like I have power nobody has. A really nice feeling."

"There was no fear anymore after I took Captagon," a third man added....
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-11-20 10:23:45
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Jassik said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Jassik said: »
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Jassik said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
A fair point. I'm not going to deny that there is poverty in America. Maybe being up at 2 A.M. watching the National Geographic channel that shows true poverty makes me a little skeptic about poverty in America, who knows. I'm just pointing out that we, here in America, have it much much MUCH better than those do in Africa.

Nobody is saying that we don't. But statements like "there's no homeless people in Buffalo" make you sound like a crazy person.

In all likelihood I'm betting KN means that there are no people who aren't homeless by choice. There's always going to be idiots who choose to be self destructive and therefore are homeless. We all have sympathy for them, but disagree on how best to help them.

Not many people are homeless by choice. Some because of bad luck and bad decisions, others because of substance abuse, many because of medical issues like mental illness. You can't write off a stupid statement like his with another stupid one like yours.

Substance abuse is a choice, bad decisions are a choice. Bad luck isn't and mental illness can go either way, as people who refuse help are making that choice. People who choose to be homeless through their choices make the vast majority of them and you in no way help them by coddling them.

I (theoretically) help the crack head begging for money on the street corner by refusing to subsidize their bad decisions than you do by giving them money to further destroy themselves.

Uh, substance dependency is a medical illness, buddy. And decisions often aren't easily assigned good or bad until long after the fact and often because of changes after the fact.

If it makes you feel better about your life to boil every hardship down to choice, have at it, but it is not universal truth, so stop spreading it as if it were.

I did not say all homelessness was all choice. In fact I said it in the post you just responded to, and I said it quite clearly.

Can't you at least twig-man or brick-man me once?
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By Bloodrose 2015-11-20 10:26:06
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Jassik said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Jassik said: »
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A fair point. I'm not going to deny that there is poverty in America. Maybe being up at 2 A.M. watching the National Geographic channel that shows true poverty makes me a little skeptic about poverty in America, who knows. I'm just pointing out that we, here in America, have it much much MUCH better than those do in Africa.

Nobody is saying that we don't. But statements like "there's no homeless people in Buffalo" make you sound like a crazy person.

In all likelihood I'm betting KN means that there are no people who aren't homeless by choice. There's always going to be idiots who choose to be self destructive and therefore are homeless. We all have sympathy for them, but disagree on how best to help them.

Not many people are homeless by choice. Some because of bad luck and bad decisions, others because of substance abuse, many because of medical issues like mental illness. You can't write off a stupid statement like his with another stupid one like yours.

Substance abuse is a choice, bad decisions are a choice. Bad luck isn't and mental illness can go either way, as people who refuse help are making that choice. People who choose to be homeless through their choices make the vast majority of them and you in no way help them by coddling them.

I (theoretically) help the crack head begging for money on the street corner by refusing to subsidize their bad decisions than you do by giving them money to further destroy themselves.

Uh, substance dependency is a medical illness, buddy. And decisions often aren't easily assigned good or bad until long after the fact and often because of changes after the fact.

If it makes you feel better about your life to boil every hardship down to choice, have at it, but it is not universal truth, so stop spreading it as if it were.

I did not say all homelessness was all choice. In fact I said it in the post you just responded to, and I said it quite clearly.

Can't you at least twig-man or brick-man me once?

Brick-manned:
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By Pantafernando 2015-11-20 10:28:08
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Jassik said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Jassik said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Jassik said: »
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A fair point. I'm not going to deny that there is poverty in America. Maybe being up at 2 A.M. watching the National Geographic channel that shows true poverty makes me a little skeptic about poverty in America, who knows. I'm just pointing out that we, here in America, have it much much MUCH better than those do in Africa.

Nobody is saying that we don't. But statements like "there's no homeless people in Buffalo" make you sound like a crazy person.

In all likelihood I'm betting KN means that there are no people who aren't homeless by choice. There's always going to be idiots who choose to be self destructive and therefore are homeless. We all have sympathy for them, but disagree on how best to help them.

Not many people are homeless by choice. Some because of bad luck and bad decisions, others because of substance abuse, many because of medical issues like mental illness. You can't write off a stupid statement like his with another stupid one like yours.

Substance abuse is a choice, bad decisions are a choice. Bad luck isn't and mental illness can go either way, as people who refuse help are making that choice. People who choose to be homeless through their choices make the vast majority of them and you in no way help them by coddling them.

I (theoretically) help the crack head begging for money on the street corner by refusing to subsidize their bad decisions than you do by giving them money to further destroy themselves.

Uh, substance dependency is a medical illness, buddy. And decisions often aren't easily assigned good or bad until long after the fact and often because of changes after the fact.

If it makes you feel better about your life to boil every hardship down to choice, have at it, but it is not universal truth, so stop spreading it as if it were.

I did not say all homelessness was all choice. In fact I said it in the post you just responded to, and I said it quite clearly.

Can't you at least twig-man or brick-man me once?

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Is this Dragon Quest?
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-11-20 10:29:50
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Drama Torama said: »
Ramyrez said: »

What about American teenage boys with AK-47s?

Frankly, my gut reaction is that any teenager with an AK-47 is nothing but trouble and I would like to be thrown out of the country regardless of their origin.

But, I mean. C'mon.

Some of them turn out okay:

If you think this is turning out okay, then your bar is lower than mine:

Hey, Ice Cube movies are leaps and bounds beyond Ice T and his 25 seasons of "Law and Order" murder porn.
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By Bloodrose 2015-11-20 10:30:24
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It was from a DragonQuest/Final Fantasy XIV crossover event to celebrate some kind of milestone
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By Pantafernando 2015-11-20 10:37:58
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Eh, thanks to that i just discovered i can play Dragon Quest 1 -> 6 in my ipad. Nice.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-11-20 10:49:46
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Not an Ice Cube fan, but I'd take a conversation about him over several more pages of Syrian refugee talk.

Dead. Horse. Beaten.
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By Ramyrez 2015-11-20 10:51:16
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Not an Ice Cube fan, but I'd take a conversation about him over several more pages of Syrian refugee talk.

Dead. Horse. Beaten.

At least it's truly topical vs. the same old ad nauseam (and ad hominem) over and over.

For the record, I didn't like NWA or Ice Cube (or Ice T's) current work all that much, though I would take Law & Order over modern "family comedies."
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By Ramyrez 2015-11-20 10:52:56
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Also, Reuters now reporting 27 dead in the Mali hotel situation, though absolutely no split of victims/gunmen at this point.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-11-20 11:07:53
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Ramyrez said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
When did I say that?

Oh wait, that's twisting words around. But I was told that I was the only one who did that.

Asura.Kingnobody said: »
You are right, they don't have to face freezing to death during a Buffalo winter because they *shock* don't exist in Buffalo.

Neither does most homeless people either, because *shock* they would be in shelters to protect them from said winters.

It's really not twisting anything. It's very easy to infer that from what you've said there. I understand you didn't say exactly that, but again, it's very easy to infer and it's not that far from what you did actually say.
Are you being obtuse on purpose? I said that the homeless who are not from Buffalo do not have to risk facing a Buffalo winter because they are not in Buffalo.

Meaning a homeless person in San Francisco has zero chance of dying from a Buffalo winter. So does one from Nepal, Hawaii, Sri Lanka, India, and so on/so forth.

Maybe you should read the post fully before selectively reading it....
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By Ramyrez 2015-11-20 11:15:51
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Have you ever noticed all your arguments with everyone devolve into you being condescending about others' reading abilities?

Have you considered maybe you present yourself and your positions in a horrific, undignified, arrogant fashion?

Also, I'm fairly certain people have reported me for calling them obtuse. I'm not saying that means anything for certain, I'm just saying you're someone who likes to cry that people are being mean to you and it's ignored and maybe there's some correlation.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-11-20 11:23:37
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Ramyrez said: »
Have you ever noticed all your arguments with everyone devolve into you being condescending about others' reading abilities?
Same could be said of you bub.

Haven't you noticed that almost all of your posts have been condescending period? Would you like an example?

Ramyrez said: »
Have you considered maybe you present yourself and your positions in a horrific, undignified, arrogant fashion?
I'll accept arrogant, but I find it an insult if you think I present myself and my positions in either a horrific or undignified manner.

At least I don't respond in personal attacks at every post, unlike some people here.

Ramyrez said: »
Also, I'm fairly certain people have reported me for calling them obtuse. I'm not saying that means anything for certain, I'm just saying you're someone who likes to cry that people are being mean to you and it's ignored and maybe there's some correlation.
All I'm saying is the degree of punishment on this website is far too different depending on the person. And the problem is, mods/admins have even stated so....

"If you are XXX person, you get treated differently than others" is the mantra of this forum. Nobody seems to care except if you are in that group, that is.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-11-20 11:59:05
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
"If you are XXX person,
Hey! I don't do porn anymore :[
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By Ramyrez 2015-11-20 12:25:02
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Haven't you noticed that almost all of your posts have been condescending period? Would you like an example?

I'm not sure you understand what condescension is, precisely. I can be abrasive and flat-out rude laying out how I perceive things, it's true. And I'm the first to admit I probably throw out a few digs I really should probably keep to myself. But rarely if ever am I condescending in a serious fashion. I don't have the pedigree for it.

Asura.Kingnobody said: »
I'll accept arrogant, but I find it an insult if you think I present myself and my positions in either a horrific or undignified manner.

At least I don't respond in personal attacks at every post, unlike some people here.

These statements are so meta that it almost hurts.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2015-11-20 12:33:17
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You aren't the fairest judge.
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By Drama Torama 2015-11-20 12:34:46
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
And the problem is, mods/admins have even stated so

Slow your roll, there. There are two factors that determine punishment, and only two:

- The severity of the offense
- Prior history of the offender

That's it. Nothing else matters. If your complaint is that recidivists get harsher sentences, then I don't know what to tell you, but any other theory on the discipline system is flat out wrong.
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By Ramyrez 2015-11-20 12:59:02
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Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
You aren't the fairest judge.

Neither are ~4.5/9 members of SCotUS.

And I'm sure you and I don't even agree on anything but the .5.

So.
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