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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-11-04 13:30:22
This is a weird one about that cop in illinois...
weird news
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By Garuda.Chanti 2015-11-04 14:23:10
I thought the republicans had the market cornered on religious wahoos.... Oh no. They just have the vast majority.
But there are plenty enough religious wahoos to go around
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-11-05 07:39:38
Quote: The U.S. Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights has ordered a taxpayer-funded school district in the suburbs of Chicago to allow a male transgender student who dresses like a girl and otherwise identifies as female to use the girls locker room and shower on school premises.
The feds delivered the edict against Township High School District 211 in Palatine, Ill. on Monday, the Chicago Tribune reports.
The Department of Education has given the school district one month to let the student use the girls locker room. If the district does not capitulate, it risks losing federal funding.
The Department of Education’s civil rights division made its Title IX ruling after a two-year investigation using a “preponderance of evidence” standard.
President Barack Obama’s Department of Education — which manifestly is not vested with judicial powers — has taken to applying Title IX, a comprehensive 1972 federal law that prohibits discrimination on the basis of sex, to transgender cases.
The unidentified high school student at the center of the ruling currently is listed as a girl in school files, uses girls’ restrooms and plays on girls’ sports teams.
That’s not enough, though. The student wants to be treated like a female in every respect by the school district that enrolls more than 12,000 students.
Showering in a different place is “blatant discrimination,” John Knight, director of the LGBT and AIDS Project at ACLU of Illinois, told the Tribune.
The ACLU of Illinois is representing the student.
“It’s one thing to say to all the girls, ‘You can choose if you want some extra privacy,’ but it’s another thing to say, ‘You, and you alone, must use them.’ That sends a pretty strong signal to her that she’s not accepted and the district does not see her as girl,” Knight also told the Chicago newspaper.
On Monday, the Education Department’s Office for Civil Rights agreed.
“Student A has not only received an unequal opportunity to benefit from the District’s educational program, but has also experienced an ongoing sense of isolation and ostracism throughout her high school enrollment at the school,” the letter from the Office for Civil Rights proclaims.
The Tribune has made the full text of the Department of Education’s Title IX letter to school officials available here.
School officials had worked out a plan under which the student could use a separate locker room and shower facility so that girls using the primary girls’ locker room and shower would not feel uncomfortable. The goal was to balance rights — to accommodate the student while, at the same time, “to protect the privacy rights of all students when changing clothes or showering before or after physical education and after-school activities,” according to a recent school district press release obtained by the Daily Herald, a suburban Chicago newspaper.
“We are very hopeful that we are going to be able to work to find a solution before this gets to the matter of funding,” Township district superintendent Daniel Cates told the Herald in the days leading up to Monday’s proclamation. “If we were to implement OCR’s unilateral mandate of unconditional access, we believe it sacrifices both student privacy and overrides the will of our local board of education.”
In a recent statement, Cates stressed the rights of every other female in the school district.
“The students in our schools are teenagers, not adults, and one’s gender is not the same as one’s anatomy,” Cates explained. “Boys and girls are in separate locker rooms — where there are open changing areas and open shower facilities — for a reason.”
In a statement obtained by the Tribune, the transgender student said he is elated with the ruling from Washington.
“This decision makes me extremely happy — because of what it means for me, personally, and for countless others,” he said. “The district’s policy stigmatized me, often making me feel like I was not a ‘normal person.'”
Catherine Lhamon, the Obama-appointed assistant secretary for civil rights in the Department of Education, also issued a statement about the male transgender student.
“Unfortunately, Township High School District 211 is not following the law because the district continues to deny a female student the right to use the girls’ locker room,” Lhamon said
I really don't understand why the showers have to be open. Aren't many teenagers uncomfortable with their bodies to begin with?
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-11-05 08:55:54
Boys go to the boys room.
Girls go to the girls room.
Problem solved!
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-11-05 09:07:00
"Tolerant" left to NBC, ' Censor Trump by keeping him off of SNL.'
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2015-11-05 09:16:02
"Tolerant" left to NBC, ' Censor Trump by keeping him off of SNL.'
True intellectuals on the left.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-11-05 09:17:31
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »"Tolerant" left to NBC, ' Censor Trump by keeping him off of SNL.'
True intellectuals on the left. A true embarrassment.
By Jassik 2015-11-05 09:21:23
"Tolerant" left to NBC, ' Censor Trump by keeping him off of SNL.'
Uh, that's not censorship, it's capitalism.
By charlo999 2015-11-05 09:21:23
This is the crazy world we live in where one persons right to do what they want, that has no explanation apart from a psychological one, forces everyone else to toe the line to their own warped world view. The ideology of a one forced on the majority by threaten of closure. Sad.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-11-05 09:28:46
"Tolerant" left to NBC, ' Censor Trump by keeping him off of SNL.' Why do you hate the free market?
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-11-05 09:45:35
"Tolerant" left to NBC, 'Censor Trump by keeping him off of SNL.'
But he's a liar, so why should we care about what he has to say.
Let's listen to Hilary instead.
By Jetackuu 2015-11-05 09:55:59
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »Personally, I never used the showers at school. No one did, and I assumed they were just for the sports teams after school. There was not enough time to use them in the school day.
For someone who is as big of a *** as I am. I have never wanted to use a public shower.
One school I went to required students to shower after gym class. There's no reason for there to be group showers.
By Jassik 2015-11-05 10:05:14
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »Personally, I never used the showers at school. No one did, and I assumed they were just for the sports teams after school. There was not enough time to use them in the school day.
For someone who is as big of a *** as I am. I have never wanted to use a public shower.
One school I went to required students to shower after gym class. There's no reason for there to be group showers.
I always had gym last period so I could just go home and shower. Public shows are notorious for things like foot fungus.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-11-05 10:10:39
You should always use slippers in public showers <.<
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By Jetackuu 2015-11-05 10:13:13
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »Personally, I never used the showers at school. No one did, and I assumed they were just for the sports teams after school. There was not enough time to use them in the school day.
For someone who is as big of a *** as I am. I have never wanted to use a public shower.
One school I went to required students to shower after gym class. There's no reason for there to be group showers.
I always had gym last period so I could just go home and shower. Public shows are notorious for things like foot fungus. Yeah, it was my last one too the one year, still they required it.
By Jassik 2015-11-05 10:13:15
You should always use slippers in public showers <.<
Yeah, or you can just shower at home like I did.
I always had gym last period so I could just go home and shower. Public shows are notorious for things like foot fungus.
Yeah, it was my last one too the one year, still they required it.[/quote]
Weird. Technically it was required, I just noped and took off. Never got in trouble for it.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-11-05 10:24:24
Yeah, or you can just shower at home like I did. Beach, swimming pool, gym...there are many instances where you might need to shower. And not always it's possible to go home to do it(not for everyone)...you're still dumb if you don't use slippers on a public floor.
By Jassik 2015-11-05 10:26:27
Yeah, or you can just shower at home like I did. Beach, swimming pool, gym...there are many instances where you might need to shower. And not always it's possible to go home to do it(not for everyone)...you're still dumb if you don't use slippers on a public floor.
I just don't use public showers.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-11-05 10:29:54
"Tolerant" left to NBC, ' Censor Trump by keeping him off of SNL.'
Uh, that's not censorship, it's capitalism.
"Tolerant" left to NBC, ' Censor Trump by keeping him off of SNL.' Why do you hate the free market?
Two people who don't know what capitalism is.
Capitalism is where a person doesn't buy and/or use the product. These people want to prevent Trump from appearing on the show period.
If this was capitalism, like both of you claim it is, then the protesters would just refuse to watch the show that day, period. Instead, they want to disrupt the show and prevent a person from appearing on the show due to their own political motives. That's called censorship.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-11-05 10:47:36
Er, that's still capitalism. And in no way is this "censorship". How awkward!
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By Siren.Mosin 2015-11-05 10:52:50
Capitalism is where a person doesn't buy and/or use the product.
no, that's a boycott.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-11-05 10:53:22
Er, that's still capitalism. And in no way is this "censorship". How awkward! So, a group of people demanding that a person's viewpoint be silenced due to their political affiliation and political viewpoints is not considered censorship to you?
Or is it considered censorship when you feel it to be convenient to you?
Also, please describe how somebody preventing another person from voicing their viewpoints an economic event.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-11-05 10:54:40
Capitalism is where a person doesn't buy and/or use the product.
no, that's a boycott. Still an economic event. Capitalism involves both the positive and negative actions for economic purposes. This protest is not an economic event, it's a political event.
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By Jassik 2015-11-05 10:59:12
Er, that's still capitalism. And in no way is this "censorship". How awkward! So, a group of people demanding that a person's viewpoint be silenced due to their political affiliation and political viewpoints is not considered censorship to you?
Or is it considered censorship when you feel it to be convenient to you?
Also, please describe how somebody preventing another person from voicing their viewpoints an economic event.
They aren't demanding his viewpoint be silenced, they're pressuring a company to sell them a product they want.
Lorne is not going to let Trump run his mouth about political stuff on SNL.
Again. That's capitalism. The only censorship that's actually censorship is from the government.
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By Anna Ruthven 2015-11-05 11:00:19
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »Personally, I never used the showers at school. No one did, and I assumed they were just for the sports teams after school. There was not enough time to use them in the school day.
For someone who is as big of a *** as I am. I have never wanted to use a public shower.
One school I went to required students to shower after gym class. There's no reason for there to be group showers. I can think of one, but those situations usually aren't real life...but they sometimes are.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-11-05 11:00:35
It's super duper capitalism. Because chances are those protesters were hired.
A buddy of mine runs an agency that protests for whatever group can pay the bill. So like if the meat packers at a local grocery store go on strike they hire him to find people to man the picket lines.
you can even hire them to protest the protesters and have people from the same company yelling at each other from the two sides.
sure there are a couple real wingnuts in the mix but to protest you gotta pull permits and have lawyers and crap like that.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-11-05 11:03:16
Capitalism is where a person doesn't buy and/or use the product.
no, that's a boycott. Still an economic event. Capitalism involves both the positive and negative actions for economic purposes. This protest is not an economic event, it's a political event. Where are you getting these definitions? Capitalism isn't divorced from the politics especially when it's the political aspect that's being sold.
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