What's The Top 5 Mythic's?

This is straight up wrong, but people sure like to say it. Was true back in the days before PUP got H2H skill raised to A+, but people never reconsidered that 2008-era "common knowledge". Now, a KKK PUP should destroy an "average" MNK and fall short of a Glanz MNK (as it should be, IMHO). A good Vere PUP will beat most non-Mythic/Empy MNKs too.

Each has their own quirks to be sure. MNK has better defense thanks to counters and HP, and formless for whenever that helps. In addition to strong DD, PUP has legitimate support utility with mage puppets (RDM enfeebles and haste II/phalanx on master, WHM frame helping for regen/cure/-na on party members) and can make up some damage with DD puppets (which are admittedly fairly lackluster on stuff that matters, but it's something).

Can we call it 4 Death Penalties and Idris?

Speaking of Idris; something else that's really cool about it:

~VEX/~ATTUNEMENT removes the need of a yagrush...sometimes.

Is there any debuff that a Yag-Whm can remove that Accention SCH can't?

Is there any debuff that a Yag-Whm can remove that Accention SCH can't?

A Good WHM isn't lazy. You are not lazy and you are a good WHM Cyleena. But a good WHM doesn't "Need" a Yagrush to do a good job. The point is that it doesn't give a large enough boost to be considered as OP as everyone thinks it is.


This is a fair point. If I were bringing only 1 WHM with me to 18 man content, I would want them to have a Yagrush. But really.. who is actually doing this consistently?

Let me rephrase what I said earlier about Yag and Carn letting people be lazy:

If you are good at your job you are naturally not lazy and are going to do all of the little things well. Yagrush and Carn make it much more efficient for you to do all of these other things, obviously. But we aren't talking about good players, we are talking about weapons. The weapons themselves should not be considered overpowered. They slightly change one mechanic for each job, so if you are not good enough to take full advantage of this, then yes.. all they will do is allow you to be lazy. Those that can take full advantage of their efficiency will benefit exponentially – but that's a lot to ask of the average BRD or WHM as i'm sure you know. Most would rather do the bare minimum.

~VEX/~ATTUNEMENT removes the need of a yagrush...sometimes.

Vex/Attunement does help remove the need for yag sometimes but you have to fight in the bubbles which I have seen many DD wander out of them due to hate being weird or knock back or w/e. I have also seen stuff get past the bubbles on occasion. I really love yag for the erases and cursna if party doomed, and no strat timers to wait on. Accession sch is great if you do not have a yag but you have those long timers to wait on making it not efficient, and single erasing or na spelling each person sucks especially if the group you are with are depending on you for main cures.

Can we call it 4 Death Penalties and Idris?

Please, Burtgang would allow me to reduce your pitiful broadside to 32% of it's damage.

Please, Burtgang would allow me to reduce your pitiful broadside to 32% of it's damage.

someone in our server was selling a eye patch for 200m

These people are not accepting our authority to definitively answer this, their protestations be damned.

I hate when my authority is called into question.

Zerowone, please strike up the gloom!

*whistles for his second mate*

Mister Braddock! Prepare the broadside! We're going to show them what a wall of canons does to their precious swords and adorable My Little Pony-coloured Paddles!

...have you seen what a cannon blast of grape shot does to a human body?

32% damage just means your remains may still be identifiable.

Curse you Corsairs, I will Sentinel at the precise time and reduce your broadside to nothing!

O_o?

Nobody correct him!

EDIT: Or are you implying use of Leaden Salute because that's cheating.

I'm your huckleberry.

someone in our server was selling a eye patch for 200m

Tell me more of your interesting endeavours.

someone in our server was selling a eye patch for 200m

for 10m I'll tell you how to solo eyepatch in no time, that way you'll make 190m profit.

For 5m I'll cheer you on and let you figure it out on your own so you have the added feeling of achievement.

For 1 mil, i'll watch you bicker back and forth about how supposedly awesome he is, and end up with "NO U" comments.