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Hardest item to get of all
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By Shiva.Jirachi 2014-02-18 18:45:00
Saying how 11 people nearly got Shiva on Fiat Lux (Stupid Sandoria was 4/6 areas; but windy and bastok were 6/6) windurst had owned Castle Oztroja and Bastok at least attempted a raid on Beadeaux
If a linkshell effort was to obtain those 3 items it shouldn't be too entirely hard to obtain Fiat Lux.
The HARDEST absolute RAREST Item In todays FFXI existence, I would say...
Fiend Torque
Animosity Torque
Laceration Torque
Goetic Torque
Prestige Farming is just flat out boring and with monsters trying to increase Infamy past their 10,000 cap (Unless this cap was changed since the last time i've monstered)
Monsters will hunt players farming it; it ends up being more irritating than anything ><;
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By Odin.Ketsuu 2014-02-18 18:46:34
Carbuncle.Jysthea said: »Seeing as though that was awarded to 20 people, it's automatically not the rarest item, since there are significantly less of (most) mythics than 20.
Basically, rarest automatically goes to the lowest mythic, be it still Aymur, or possibly Murgelis.
Mythics aren't particularly "rare" to obtain-- expensive, yes. Now is it rare to find a player with one of those Mythics? Absolutely.
Carbuncle.Jysthea
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By Carbuncle.Jysthea 2014-02-18 18:50:26
Just going by shear number of items obtained, calling it rarest.
If there are only 5 (maybe 6-8) of an item, it's logically the most rare, regardless of easy it Could be to obtain.
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2014-02-18 18:51:11
thread title says 'hardest item to get of all', not rarest(besides OP specifically stating he meant aside from REM)
i can buy a mythic with a week worth of gil and a few months doing easy prereqs, totalling maybe 100 hours(50 assaults, 150k tokens = 35 hours, 100k amps = 20 hours with travel, kings and captain are one time costs so that has to be weighed in some way)
if i wanted the scepter, average case i'd need a year and a half of voidstones along with 1000 kills, which is well over mythic's required play time, higher required real time, and subject to much more variance:
22% of people will need over 1500 kills to receive a .1% drop, 13% will need over 2000, 1.6% will need over 4000 kills
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By Quetzalcoatl.Kenrusai 2014-02-18 18:57:18
@Jirachi
That's quite possibly the stupidest comment of this thread thus far, pretty much up there with the optical hat comment.
The items you said being laughable aside, you think that number of people working religiously is reasonable? Then some having realistic odds of not getting what they wanted after all the effort. The fact that 11 people truly dedicated themselves to opening it seriosuly surprises me, but you really aren't gonna get a linkshell effort going for any more than a day, which is far from what is necessary.
Bismarck.Snprphnx
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By Bismarck.Snprphnx 2014-02-18 18:57:27
OP wanted hardest to obtain, not rarest. since all mythics have the same basic requirement, aside from base weapon and final fight, you could technically say all mythics are the same.
as far as hardest to obtain, i would say 119 afterglow emp weapon that needs cinders. even IF you could buy all the cinders, thats 3.06 billion gil, using 1mil/cinder.
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Carbuncle.Jysthea
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By Carbuncle.Jysthea 2014-02-18 18:57:31
If it's done simply by hardest to get, then it's the Nocturnus, because for all intents and purposes it's Possible to obtain, but extremely unlikely.
You can at least try to fight Botolus Rex, all day any day at any given time, this is untrue for the Shadowlord BCNM. There is absolutely nothing you can do, for a minimum of 2 weeks starting today to even attempt to obtain a new nocturnus, you could possibly obtain the scepter right this minute.
Where as other mentioned items are impossible to obtain as they were limited time.
Or, possible, but rare.
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2014-02-18 18:59:16
20-30 hours of campaign over 2 months to get access, 24 hours to take over bc, spam for a week: less real time, less played time, no game challenge
zzzz
Carbuncle.Jysthea
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By Carbuncle.Jysthea 2014-02-18 19:08:30
While the method, and the fight may be extremely easy, I'm fairly certain no server has had access to the BCNM for a while...
Our server, it's been something like 3 years now.
And I'm basically 100% certain that no one, not even your automated army, would be even WILLING to take it over, so that it can be done.
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2014-02-18 19:20:59
That has no relevance to the thread. Nobody is going to kill thousands of botulus for a useless club either.
Nocturnus is lower than many other things on time required, gear required, real time wait, and player ability required. If it were the hardest item to get, it'd be able to satisfy at least one of those.
Ragnarok.Hevans
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By Ragnarok.Hevans 2014-02-18 19:23:44
i think the rarest item is probably something that came from ??? items in assault. there were a lot of rings and stuff that i've never seen.
i've personally got several rain hats, if you know the time of the game year it has a chance to spawn it's literally just outposting and if there is rain you check if it's up.
i remember x's knife having an abysmal drop rate, same thing with the z/y trident/spear.
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2014-02-18 19:25:49
X's knife was hyped, from my experience. I did that BC solo weekly on both of my RDMs, saw 6 knives and similar of the other weapons in under a year(maybe 80 kills). Not a great droprate, but not ridiculous and the BC was easy to get access to and easy to complete.
Ragnarok.Hevans
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By Ragnarok.Hevans 2014-02-18 19:28:14
oh
thinking of p harpe. not x's knife. derp
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By Bahamut.Yamiadra 2014-02-18 19:33:51
Carbuncle.Jysthea
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By Carbuncle.Jysthea 2014-02-18 19:38:23
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »That has no relevance to the thread. Nobody is going to kill thousands of botulus for a useless club either.
Nocturnus is lower than many other things on time required, gear required, real time wait, and player ability required. If it were the hardest item to get, it'd be able to satisfy at least one of those.
Yes, but they're capable of doing it, you cannot even attempt to obtain Nocturnus if you wanted to.
That's the part you're missing.
If it cannot be done, then it's harder to do just in simple logic. I can go solo Rex right this very second for a chance at that scepter, nothing, in any way shape or form is going to get me access to the Shadowlord BCNM.
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2014-02-18 19:40:57
Carbuncle.Jysthea said: » nothing, in any way shape or form is going to get me access to the Shadowlord BCNM. besides like, killing those really scary 75 mobs without tags and organizing a few other people to work on it when you can't to save progress..
if nocturnus mail became the best DD tp body overnight, every server would own throne room this week.. it's not hard to obtain, it's pointless to obtain
please go
Valefor.Oxt
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By Valefor.Oxt 2014-02-18 19:48:29
Carbuncle.Jysthea said: » I'm fairly certain no server has had access to the BCNM for a while...
Not sure what your definition of "a while" is but 3 months ago Leviathan had access to it.
Carbuncle.Jysthea
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By Carbuncle.Jysthea 2014-02-18 19:49:22
I would totally take that bet, if it were possible.
Not a chance, even if it was undeniably the best possible full time body.
Mainly because it's not wearable by mnk... or ranger... but also because a good % of the pop don't have the medal to access it.
We obviously have different definitions of "hard" mines the actual logical definition and I have no idea what yours is supposed to be, so yeah.
It's possible(impossible) vs possible(random number generator).
Ragnarok.Hevans
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By Ragnarok.Hevans 2014-02-18 19:51:16
kinda makes you miss the days when the answer was, "anything off of AV"
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2014-02-18 19:57:40
Carbuncle.Jysthea said: »I would totally take that bet, if it were possible.
Not a chance, even if it was undeniably the best possible full time body.
Mainly because it's not wearable by mnk... or ranger... but also because a good % of the pop don't have the medal to access it. downplay interest
Quote: We obviously have different definitions of "hard" mines the actual logical definition and I have no idea what yours is supposed to be, so yeah. insult your opponents credibility, using questionable logic
Quote: It's possible(impossible) vs possible(random number generator). state arbitrary opinion as fact
unlocking fiat lux takes a minimum of ~60 character-hours spread between as many people as you can get interested, and once unlocked the item is more or less guaranteed to anyone with the rank that cares to burn their tags that week
that's a finite #, not impossible, and not even remotely difficult.. there's just nobody else who gives a ***, so if you really wanted it you'd have to put in the full 60 hours yourself
in case i needed to spell it out for you, that's still significantly below the average time required for wand and consistant
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2014-02-18 20:04:16
i'd like to amend my post: steam clock is pretty rare too
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Leviathan.Vow
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By Leviathan.Vow 2014-02-18 20:04:51
We never actually unlocked it. It turns out you have to show up a little earlier than a few hours before the end of the week.
Fenrir.Sanyon
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By Fenrir.Sanyon 2014-02-18 20:07:28
Tome of Whispers
I have yet to meet another person with one, not that you would know unless they had it in their bazaar.
Ragnarok.Hevans
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By Ragnarok.Hevans 2014-02-18 20:13:29
i don't think any event items would classify as hard to get.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2014-02-18 20:15:35
If you're using # of kills/synths/whatever as our watermark for difficulty, then this pretty much wins.
Ragnarok.Hevans
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By Ragnarok.Hevans 2014-02-18 20:17:52
wut?
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2014-02-18 20:19:55
there's no possible way to face the right direction to make it HQ since it's always changing. duh.
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Bismarck.Magnuss
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By Bismarck.Magnuss 2014-02-18 20:23:04
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Ragnarok.Hevans
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By Ragnarok.Hevans 2014-02-18 20:23:38
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We were having a discussion in LS not long ago about what is the single, hardest item to get in game. Level is not important. Relics, Mythics and Empy stuff doesn't really count...
Some said it was still a Ridil and other say it is Bahamut's Mask. Another said Black Belt cause no one wants to do the fights anymore...
So what do you guys think? What is the single most difficult item in game to get regardless of level?
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