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By Jetackuu 2014-01-27 23:27:36
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You can come to a "logical" conclusion to both sides of the issue, but you're too dense to see that.

No, it's just impossible to come to a logical conclusion on an emotional or religious argument.

edit: back to insults again.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2014-01-27 23:28:01
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Didn't defend anything. Just say, Spart was being sarcastic and didn't really want to know how people can oppose birth control so I can say "Oh silly me for answering politely."

The loudest voices in the pro-life movement are using religion, not reason to make their argument. It's why we had Sarah Palin trumpeting abstinence before her daughter dun goofed and Rick Santorum trying to align amniocentesis with being a reason people get abortions. Lucky for those two, they have plenty of money to take care of special needs kids. More power to them.

Someone living hand to mouth might not though.

Education and access to birth control tends to get rid of the unplanned pregnancy issues that come with people banging each other in the adult world. Instead some want us to be draped in ignorance rather than solving the problem. The thought of talking about sex and describing what a vagina is so vile we must pretend such things don't exist.

And harp more religion every step of the way. That's wonderful. People who actually want to inform people to make better choices will be teaching sex ed courses and attacking the taboos that lead people to believe pulling out works and that babies are created with faerie magic.

Education access. So I take it that you support school choice for all; not just the wealthy?

You don't religion to tell you that killing someone is wrong do you?
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2014-01-27 23:28:58
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
You can come to a "logical" conclusion to both sides of the issue, but you're too dense to see that.

No, it's just impossible to come to a logical conclusion on an emotional or religious argument.

You all complain about derailing then Jet goes ahead and brings up global warming. Sheesh.
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By Jetackuu 2014-01-27 23:29:17
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Why would killing somebody inherently be "wrong?"
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By Jetackuu 2014-01-27 23:29:45
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Jetackuu said: »
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You can come to a "logical" conclusion to both sides of the issue, but you're too dense to see that.

No, it's just impossible to come to a logical conclusion on an emotional or religious argument.

You all complain about derailing then Jet goes ahead and brings up global warming. Sheesh.

Don't get in to the climate change debate again, another issue people ignore the facts on, and think their beliefs hold as much weight as facts.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-01-27 23:30:45
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Its -10 degrees here right now. Bring on climate change!
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-01-27 23:31:04
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What is a liberal's response to why we don't allow murder? Okay, shift that logic to the unborn. Sure it can be annoying to have people trying to use religion to justify their polical ideologies, but it's not like there isn't any other way of presenting the argument.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-01-27 23:33:19
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Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
Education access. So I take it that you support school choice for all; not just the wealthy?

You don't religion to tell you that killing someone is wrong do you?

I support sex ed courses and access to cheap and plentiful birth control. The more people know about sex, the sooner they can enjoy it without bringing children into the world they do not want.

From there people are free to make their own choices on what they want to do with an unplanned pregnancy. Abortion, adoption or deciding to keep to term.

As for killing, give me a break. You aren't a pacifist so why the hang up on abortions? You supported more war yet I'm supposed to cede ground on abortion? Unless you've suddenly become Jain, I'm not buying it. We've already conceded that late term abortions aren't done so why give more ground?

We know the endgame for the religious zealots is nothing short of complete regulation of sex between adults.

It's only been their mantra for centuries.

If God has a problem, he can drop more tornadoes on the central US or kill more poor people in New Orleans hurricanes.
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By Jetackuu 2014-01-27 23:36:06
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Need some earthquakes and volcanoes as well. Or HELL if America is that full of devil children, just unleash the damn super volcano and wipe out a large portion of the nation.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2014-01-27 23:37:03
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Jetackuu said: »
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
You can come to a "logical" conclusion to both sides of the issue, but you're too dense to see that.

No, it's just impossible to come to a logical conclusion on an emotional or religious argument.

You all complain about derailing then Jet goes ahead and brings up global warming. Sheesh.

Don't get in to the climate change debate again, another issue people ignore the facts on, and think their beliefs hold as much weight as facts.


You never once presented a single fact, you just believe there are facts, somewhere out there, that you have never seen but you believe they are there. It's touching really.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2014-01-27 23:38:20
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What is a liberal's response to why we don't allow murder? Okay, shift that logic to the unborn. Sure it can be annoying to have people trying to use religion to justify their polical ideologies, but it's not like there isn't any other way of presenting the argument.

And they've deflected to war already and the comfort zone of bashing religions. Good night fellas. It was fun. Easy tonight, but fun.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-01-27 23:38:44
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What is a liberal's response to why we don't allow murder? Okay, shift that logic to the unborn. Sure it can be annoying to have people trying to use religion to justify their polical ideologies, but it's not like there isn't any other way of presenting the argument.

My personal opinion is that forcing children to be born to parents who don't want children is a recipe for disaster. One of the largest responsibilities a human being can undertake shouldn't be reduced to "you must" because the condom slipped off banging some one night stand.

If you feel otherwise, being pro-choice allows you to do what your heart feels is right. Children cost money, money the pro-lifers ironically want no parts in doling out come social welfare program time.
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By Jetackuu 2014-01-27 23:40:19
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Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
Jetackuu said: »
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You can come to a "logical" conclusion to both sides of the issue, but you're too dense to see that.

No, it's just impossible to come to a logical conclusion on an emotional or religious argument.

You all complain about derailing then Jet goes ahead and brings up global warming. Sheesh.

Don't get in to the climate change debate again, another issue people ignore the facts on, and think their beliefs hold as much weight as facts.

The scientific community as a whole has published many articles substantiating the trend, and have been reviewed, contested and continue to be done so, yet the trend continues. This is how science works, should actually try it sometime, you may learn something.



You never once presented a single fact, you just believe there are facts, somewhere out there, that you have never seen but you believe they are there. It's touching really.
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By Jetackuu 2014-01-27 23:41:17
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What is a liberal's response to why we don't allow murder? Okay, shift that logic to the unborn. Sure it can be annoying to have people trying to use religion to justify their polical ideologies, but it's not like there isn't any other way of presenting the argument.

My personal opinion is that forcing children to be born to parents who don't want children is a recipe for disaster. One of the largest responsibilities a human being can undertake shouldn't be reduced to "you must" because the condom slipped off banging some one night stand.

If you feel otherwise, being pro-choice allows you to do what your heart feels is right. Children cost money, money the pro-lifers ironically want no parts in doling out come social welfare program time.
There you go making logical arguments sir, tsk tsk.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-01-27 23:42:45
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What is a liberal's response to why we don't allow murder? Okay, shift that logic to the unborn. Sure it can be annoying to have people trying to use religion to justify their polical ideologies, but it's not like there isn't any other way of presenting the argument.
My personal opinion is that forcing children to be born to parents who don't want children is a recipe for disaster. One of the largest responsibilities a human being can undertake shouldn't be reduced to "you must" because the condom slipped off banging some one night stand. If you feel otherwise, being pro-choice allows you to do what your heart feels is right. Children cost money, money the pro-lifers ironically want no parts in doling out come social welfare program time.

You know, I don't agree with you, but it's about time someone presented a rational argument in here for once besides "my opinion r fact lol". Kudos.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-01-27 23:47:24
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
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What is a liberal's response to why we don't allow murder? Okay, shift that logic to the unborn. Sure it can be annoying to have people trying to use religion to justify their polical ideologies, but it's not like there isn't any other way of presenting the argument.
My personal opinion is that forcing children to be born to parents who don't want children is a recipe for disaster. One of the largest responsibilities a human being can undertake shouldn't be reduced to "you must" because the condom slipped off banging some one night stand. If you feel otherwise, being pro-choice allows you to do what your heart feels is right. Children cost money, money the pro-lifers ironically want no parts in doling out come social welfare program time.

You know, I don't agree with you, but it's about time someone presented a rational argument in here for once besides "my opinion r fact lol". Kudos.

I wouldn't say I'm specifically pro-anything as much as I look at individual cases based on their merit. We really could nearly extinguish this debate within a generation by simply giving young people access to accurate information about reproduction and access to affordable and convenient contraception.
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By Jetackuu 2014-01-27 23:47:48
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I never stated my opinions were facts, but that my opinions were derived from logical arguments.

It's not that hard of a concept, but I don't expect a person who thinks that religious thought deserves respect in an alternative to a logical argument to understand in a million years.

But wait, isn't the earth only 5 thousand years old?
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-01-27 23:49:20
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I wouldn't say I'm specifically pro-anything as much as I look at individual cases based on their merit. We really could nearly extinguish this debate within a generation by simply giving young people access to accurate information about reproduction and access to affordable and convenient contraception.

Well, the GOP is going the exact opposite direction with their abortion ban tomorrow, fortunately, its DOA in the common sense Senate.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-01-27 23:55:37
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I never stated my opinions were facts, but that my opinions were derived from logical arguments. It's not that hard of a concept, but I don't expect a person who thinks that religious thought deserves respect in an alternative to a logical argument to understand in a million years. But wait, isn't the earth only 5 thousand years old?

You make the assumption that all religion is illogical. I'm religious and I believe that the earth is billions of years old, that the universe was possibly created by a big bang, and that evolution is a real thing. But I can't fault you for thinking everyone takes religious text 100% literally.
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By Jetackuu 2014-01-27 23:58:56
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I never stated my opinions were facts, but that my opinions were derived from logical arguments. It's not that hard of a concept, but I don't expect a person who thinks that religious thought deserves respect in an alternative to a logical argument to understand in a million years. But wait, isn't the earth only 5 thousand years old?

You make the assumption that all religion is illogical. I'm religious and I believe that the earth is billions of years old, that the universe was possibly created by a big bang, and that evolution is a real thing. But I can't fault you for thinking everyone takes religious text 100% literally.
Religion by it's definition is illogical. It's not an assumption.

I understand why you take offense to it, but you're wrong. I don't think that, and it has nothing to do with why religion is illogical.

You're equating that I'm saying that all religious people are incapable of logic, which isn't true, but that religion itself is illogical. Stop getting ahead of yourself and spend 3 minutes thinking about what people type for a moment, along with some simple reading comprehension, I'm not aman, I actually type what I mean.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-01-27 23:58:59
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Odin.Jassik said: »
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What is a liberal's response to why we don't allow murder? Okay, shift that logic to the unborn. Sure it can be annoying to have people trying to use religion to justify their polical ideologies, but it's not like there isn't any other way of presenting the argument.
My personal opinion is that forcing children to be born to parents who don't want children is a recipe for disaster. One of the largest responsibilities a human being can undertake shouldn't be reduced to "you must" because the condom slipped off banging some one night stand. If you feel otherwise, being pro-choice allows you to do what your heart feels is right. Children cost money, money the pro-lifers ironically want no parts in doling out come social welfare program time.
You know, I don't agree with you, but it's about time someone presented a rational argument in here for once besides "my opinion r fact lol". Kudos.
I wouldn't say I'm specifically pro-anything as much as I look at individual cases based on their merit. We really could nearly extinguish this debate within a generation by simply giving young people access to accurate information about reproduction and access to affordable and convenient contraception.

I agree to some extent here. I think the approach for even religious people should be, "You should wait until you're married, but just in case you decide otherwise, here is a slew of information that you'll need to know."
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-01-28 00:00:39
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I never stated my opinions were facts, but that my opinions were derived from logical arguments. It's not that hard of a concept, but I don't expect a person who thinks that religious thought deserves respect in an alternative to a logical argument to understand in a million years. But wait, isn't the earth only 5 thousand years old?

You make the assumption that all religion is illogical. I'm religious and I believe that the earth is billions of years old, that the universe was possibly created by a big bang, and that evolution is a real thing. But I can't fault you for thinking everyone takes religious text 100% literally.

The people that do are the ones holding up signs with pictures of aborted fetus's and yelling "murderer" at anyone entering a women's clinic. People make generalizations, it's the way the human mind works. You see a tiger attack a person, you make the association, and the next time you see a tiger, you run like hell.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-01-28 00:00:46
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Jetackuu said: »
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Jetackuu said: »
I never stated my opinions were facts, but that my opinions were derived from logical arguments. It's not that hard of a concept, but I don't expect a person who thinks that religious thought deserves respect in an alternative to a logical argument to understand in a million years. But wait, isn't the earth only 5 thousand years old?
You make the assumption that all religion is illogical. I'm religious and I believe that the earth is billions of years old, that the universe was possibly created by a big bang, and that evolution is a real thing. But I can't fault you for thinking everyone takes religious text 100% literally.
Religion by it's definition is illogical. It's not an assumption. I understand why you take offense to it, but you're wrong.

Sorry, I already dismiss everything you say because you can't even back up any claims you make with actual data, no matter how much fact and logic and truth and science you seem to think your mind is filled with.
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By Jetackuu 2014-01-28 00:02:41
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Jetackuu said: »
I never stated my opinions were facts, but that my opinions were derived from logical arguments. It's not that hard of a concept, but I don't expect a person who thinks that religious thought deserves respect in an alternative to a logical argument to understand in a million years. But wait, isn't the earth only 5 thousand years old?
You make the assumption that all religion is illogical. I'm religious and I believe that the earth is billions of years old, that the universe was possibly created by a big bang, and that evolution is a real thing. But I can't fault you for thinking everyone takes religious text 100% literally.
Religion by it's definition is illogical. It's not an assumption. I understand why you take offense to it, but you're wrong.

Sorry, I already dismiss everything you say because you can't even back up any claims you make with actual data, no matter how much fact and logic and truth and science you seem to think your mind is filled with.

I didn't make any claims, but go ahead and remain ignorant.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-01-28 00:07:13
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Lets play a game: Which state has the highest teen pregnancy rates in the country?
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-01-28 00:09:03
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Jetackuu said: »
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Jetackuu said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Jetackuu said: »
I never stated my opinions were facts, but that my opinions were derived from logical arguments. It's not that hard of a concept, but I don't expect a person who thinks that religious thought deserves respect in an alternative to a logical argument to understand in a million years. But wait, isn't the earth only 5 thousand years old?
You make the assumption that all religion is illogical. I'm religious and I believe that the earth is billions of years old, that the universe was possibly created by a big bang, and that evolution is a real thing. But I can't fault you for thinking everyone takes religious text 100% literally.
Religion by it's definition is illogical. It's not an assumption. I understand why you take offense to it, but you're wrong.
Sorry, I already dismiss everything you say because you can't even back up any claims you make with actual data, no matter how much fact and logic and truth and science you seem to think your mind is filled with.
I didn't make any claims, but go ahead and remain ignorant.

Read the rest of the thread.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-01-28 00:09:59
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Lets play a game: Which state has the highest teen pregnancy rates in the country?

Is it still New Mexico?

Edit: Nevermind, I looked myself. I notice that the Bible Belt has a high rate of teen pregnancy, while Utah does not. So it may have more to do with the approach and less to do with how religious the people are in general.
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1. New Mexico
2. Mississippi
3. Texas
4. Neveda
5. Arkansas
6. Arizona
 
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