Do You Window?

As per above title, do u use the windower? I personally use the SE windower because i simply couldnot play the game otherwise. /logout everytime i wanna do anything is well meh at best. I see others here use aftermarket windower aswell, is it like better or something? I assume that is how yall are able to take SS with chatlogs open. I also see distance and xp/hr addons?

Is this program allowed? I would assume it is not because it is not from SE and i read about bans for it. I came to game after windower was already there so i know no difference.

Is it that much better? Do people actually get caught? Do you get banned? I personally find the SE windower rather unstable and choppy. If it is lowrisk mabe its worth lookin into?

feedback?...

Yes, I use the 'other' windower.

No, I've never been in trouble for doing so.

Yes, it has great features, 80% of which I don't use.

Well, not going to go into the ethics of it because that usually turns into a 50 page argument that ends up being closed by an admin. But...



In terms of the ToS, it's not allowed...of course not. But, many people do use it and there is rarely a banning for the sole use of windower. Of course if you go blabbing about it out in the open in-game you'll prolly get banned. The choice to use it is really up to you, as long as you know there is a small chance (small, but could still happen) you may wake up banned one day.

You'll be fine, just don't ever talk about it or any plugins in any type of chat mode what-so-ever.

SE a long time ago used to constantly break windower from working, but after so many fixes and so much player demand for it, they gave up.

Download it. Play around with it to see if you like it, but don't talk about it in-game. It is against the ToS and you can get banned if GMs see you admit to using it in-game.

If SE were to mass-ban all FFXI subscribers that use Windower, I'd imagine that the ramifications would make the Salvage bans look like child's play. The chance is still present though.

Just treat Windower like Fight Club.

Well, I personally don't use the unoffocial "Windower" program. Although activating SE's windowed mode does cause a drop in framerate, I'm sure the illigitimate version would have the same result; it's just how the Windows OS works: Full screen = better performance. I do miss full-screen mode, as the game just ran smoother that way.

My recommendation would be that if SE's windowed mode is working for you, don't try to install third-party software. Bottom line: It breaks the EULA, despite how people might try to justify its use. The sad truth is that TONS of people are using it, and MOST of them use it not just because they wanted a way to play the game in windowed mode prior to SE enabling it, but because they use it for plug-ins (a more palletable way to say cheats). The unnoficial Windower breaks the EULA by itself, and the plug-ins are just down-right hacks/cheating, so _if_ SE ever decides to enforce their EULA to the Nth degree, you risk being suspended, banned, or whatever else they decide to do with you. Also, I've heard of glitches occuring more often when using third party plug-ins, and then they're too freaked to ask a GM to get them "unstuck" because they're using illegal software.

Bottom line is if you want to cheat, you're going to install Windower.

One request though, please, dear Gawd, PLEASE don't be one of those lame a$$e$ that says using plug-ins isn't cheating. If you're gonna be gay, just admit you're gay and press. Don't fekkin' act all offended when someone declares that your use of illegal software constitutes cheating. If my left nut is smart enough to know using Windower + Plug-ins is cheating, I'm sure the left side of your brain can figure that out...

SE's windowed mode is garbage.

they wont do anything about it as long as we are still paying our $13+ at the end of the month. banning people for using windower is not good business sense

Hurray! The Ethics Chairman is here!

Do they not have dictionaries up there on your high horse? :P The 'unofficial' / 'illegal' / 'illegitimate' Windower is better at handling the windowed mode than SE's version. Try sticking to things you actually have knowledge about.

I only experience the chop with the SE windower, but I use laptop, which is a given for it. Otherwise, on a PC it is easy to use & takes quite some time to lag it with cookies enabled.

This just reminds me of Hard Gay.

o_o

SE just banned a fair number of people with gardening mule accounts. That's $28.95/month an account (assuming that all 16 slots were used). Plenty of people who gardened on 6+ mules on their sole account were banned as well. Those account could easily be worth $20/month each.

I seriously doubt it would ever happen, but I know it's not outside the realm of possibility for SE to ban all the Windower users they can detect.

Wow, you're actually trying to bash me for NOT cheating? Forgive me for NOT having a ton of knowledge about how to cheat in this game... I'll actually take that as a compliment. Thanks, Tbest. =P

As Eeek said, just don't talk about it or openly reveal that you're using it or have access to the info provided by it.

As for if Windower is worth it? Yessssss. Between Recast and Spellcast and the host of other plug-ins, FF will never be the same. lol Yes, people will hate you for using them, too.

You sir...FAIL! That was a lousy comeback. Please try again.

Thank You!

Holy cow! I didnt realize how sidetracked this thread was gonna get. I thank everyone for the info on windower. Ethics 101 in here now? anyway maybe ill try it but whoknows....

Okay, attempt #2, per Lilbusta's request: The best you can do is to try and avert your self-guilt about cheating by bashing my spelling/grammar? Really? And then Lilbusta is gonna chime in and try to add his two cents and still come up a 'bust'? Wow... See the "gay" comment I made above. I think you both just validated it's relevance...

Yeah, unfortunately you always have those when anything even remotely close to cheating comes up.
And usually it's simply:
I'm right and you're wrong! It's against the rules and you're going to Hell for using it!!!!

And then the other side of the coin goes:
lol...

Edit: Oh yeah... Forgot they usually like to call people gay for using it and then go on and on about how they're better than Windower users.

Ya dood, lots of peeps get their panties all in a wad when you point out that the plug-ins equate to cheating.

Please define "remotely close".

awww...its already that time of the month when we kill each other over windower/apradar/bot/whatever being good or bad?

I'm just geussing that SE's take on it is pretty much the same take a Casino operator would have to letting people bring their own deck of cards to the Blackjack table, or their own marbles to the Roulette wheel. You can't be upset with them if they decide to suspend/ban you from their "game" for electing to do that, and you can't deny that in doing so, you were knowingly undermining the game's rules... Umm, oh yeah, cheating. =P

I like to equate using tools like Windower in FF as well as other utilities and add-ons to existing programs to a simple saying. "Work smarter, not harder." Some rules are meant to be bent/broken. XD I can't even remember the last time I went under or exactly the speed limit. It's always 3-4 or more mi/hr over (and no tickets I might add).

Many of the features that Windower has available exist within the game itself and are readily available to the player.

And then a few more features are sent 'to' the client, but are not readily displayed within the game.

And a few more after that are only available to users of Windower.

Like I've said before, the only 'features/plugins' that I use are "Tparty", "Distance", and "LightLuggage".

Tparty - Shows the current TP of your character as well as any party/alliance members next to their HP/MP values on the right side. It also shows the current HP% of your target.

Distance - Shows the current distance you are away from the target in yalms.

LightLuggage - The 'first' form of SE's auto-stacking feature. It works better than SE's and while a little un-necessary now... I use it instead.

Did I ever mention being better than anyone else? I just asked that if he decided to use Windower & Plug-ins, not to "get all offended when someone declares that your use of illegal software constitutes cheating". I've seen the whole, "Plugs-ins = cheating?? Wha??" reaction all too often.

I don't hate poeple for using Windower+plug-ins, hell, there's too many of them to hate; probably a few right in my LS. It's when people get all pissy about someone saying that using them is cheating that bugs me.

<3 Windower & FFXI APP <3

Just don't tell anyone you are using any of it. As far as FFXI APP, half of it could get you banned if you use it, so just stick to client-side only stuff like mob radars, cure botting, simple mob claiming, and fish ID system. Scripts are fun,too, if you have to do things like chocobo free runs or buy a bunch of gold coins with your imperial standing.

Don't you know?!? The speed limit is 55! OMG, YOU GO 56, YOUR A CRIMINAL FOR BREAKING THE LAW.

People that *** about this are the same ones that:

Call the cops cause and give you license plate number cause you went 3 miles over the speed limit.

*** about Yonin being "broken" cause OMG, it puts Nin spell casting costs on par with Mage casting costs! (Mages pay with MP, can get refreshed. Nin pay with gil, can /wrists)

Cry because they suck too much to get an item/gear/bonus, then complain to SE so SE can dumb it down to their level.

Point is, it's a tool. Arguing about it is like arguing about a regular screwdriver vs a power screwdriver.

Use it if you want, know that it's just like speeding: One cop may not pull you over for doing 8 miles over the speed limit, but next week a cop may get you for doing 4 over.

The SE version is trash, in non-windowed mode or using unofficial windower I"m always at 29.8 FPS 95% of the time, outside of Besieged and the like. SE's drops my FPS down to 14-16 in my mog house >.> I was excited when SE came out with it, but it is made of pure fail. You can use windower without the plug-ins by the way if that makes you feel better about "cheating". also Ryezen go take a long walk of a short bridge, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about and using gay as a negative word makes you a bigot FYI

You know..by saying that windower is cheating...you are calling yourself a cheater. A few of windower's developers help make this site...and with this site being in direct link with FFXI it is considered a 3rd party tool. SOOOOOO long story short, you cant say windower users are cheaters without calling yourself one.

if its the highway im going like 25 over...... and ive never been stopped...... >_>
people are afraid to do it idk why......

plugins rule. removes tedious ***from the game that shouldnt exist in the first place.
for instance... why make a skillchain system, such that parties have to weaponskill together.... when they have to manually tell each other when they are ready EVERY TIME. stupid SE. STUPID.

why did i have to used to sort my inventory EVERY TIME SOMETHING DROPPED.

why are macros only like 8 slots.....

as far as i know, you cant take a screenshot of words in the official FFXI...thats no fun -.-
a game based on social interaction and you cant even snap a memory of a conversation or a drop or anything? stupid.

exp watch definitely isnt cheating, just very good to know if you are parsing a party's performance to see if its worth your time. simply done by yourself, but you'd have to pay way too close attention to numbers (annoying)

windower is good.

using windower's plugins is not nice. Why?
System users cant use it =[
and it wasnt made or approved by SE. =[

It isnt as bad as using roids in a sports game. but maybe closer to having your hockey sticks blade longer then its allowed.