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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2013-07-14 15:22:44
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Quetzalcoatl.Stik said: »
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Zimmerman Prevented This From Happening That Night And Where Was The NAACP Or Jesse *** Jackson For This Victim

Oh blow it out your arse. A black male perpetrates a crime and it's an offense to your sensibilities. What if I told you that all humans are capable of such crimes? Or perhaps you've had your head so far up your own bum that you fail to realize this.

Trying to quantify one type of violence or the other is a fool's errand and holding Zimmerman up as some type of hero only tips your hand and your innate bias.
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By Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby 2013-07-14 15:26:23
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Odin.Cindro said: »
Um, we're talking about a 17 year old boy who was on a 711 run to get iced tea and skittles. Treatening? I think not... And that's not even mentioning Zimmerman's extensive criminal activity record and molestation accusations. I'm extremely saddened by this trial and it's result- and nervous that concealed carry has just become legal in Illinois. May the odds be ever in our favor.
When they mention the Skittles, you know to ignore the rest of their comments.
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By Odin.Cindro 2013-07-14 15:27:02
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Post examples?

Let me remind you... he was an unarmed 17 year old.
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By Jetackuu 2013-07-14 15:28:44
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Wait... What made Trayvon a thug? How did he play into black stereotypes? I'm confused.

Hoodie, walking around at night, being "on something" from Zimmermans perspective.

that looks suspicious as hell regardless of race.
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By Enuyasha 2013-07-14 15:28:51
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Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby said: »
Odin.Cindro said: »
Um, we're talking about a 17 year old boy who was on a 711 run to get iced tea and skittles. Treatening? I think not... And that's not even mentioning Zimmerman's extensive criminal activity record and molestation accusations. I'm extremely saddened by this trial and it's result- and nervous that concealed carry has just become legal in Illinois. May the odds be ever in our favor.
When they mention the Skittles, you know to ignore the rest of their comments.
When they mention someone mentioning the skittles, you know they are relying on an idiotic standpoint which they are going to then revert to "he probably had a knife cause he was black".
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By Ragnarok.Hevans 2013-07-14 15:29:44
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Odin.Cindro said: »

Um, we're talking about a 17 year old boy who was on a 711 run to get iced tea and skittles. Treatening? I think not... And that's not even mentioning Zimmerman's extensive criminal activity record and molestation accusations. I'm extremely saddened by this trial and it's result- and nervous that concealed carry has just become legal in Illinois. May the odds be ever in our favor.


cindro molested me once years ago. based on these allegations no one should believe or really even read anything he ever says.
 
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By Odin.Cindro 2013-07-14 15:30:47
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Ragnarok.Hevans said: »
Odin.Cindro said: »

Um, we're talking about a 17 year old boy who was on a 711 run to get iced tea and skittles. Treatening? I think not... And that's not even mentioning Zimmerman's extensive criminal activity record and molestation accusations. I'm extremely saddened by this trial and it's result- and nervous that concealed carry has just become legal in Illinois. May the odds be ever in our favor.


cindro mollested me once years ago. based on these allegations no one should believe or really even read anything he ever says.


It was 20 years of molestation of his niece. That's a little more than an accusation.
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By Fenrir.Mtmoogle 2013-07-14 15:32:17
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How about explaining how a thug dresses instead of calling someone stupid and living in a fantasy then going on to something else Tenshi? I know you would like to dismiss all who question you but why you so mean? I'm deeply hurt.
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By Jetackuu 2013-07-14 15:32:58
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Sylph.Safiyyah said: »

You have missed the point. If you were shot tomorrow and killed, you would expect that the person who shot you be charged appropriately. Zimmerman wasn't charged at all until the case went nationwide. Black, white, whatever, when one person is dead and the other person shot them, some heavy scrutiny is necessary.

there was no legal precedent for him to be charged, he was only charged because of political/public pressure, this should have never made it to court...
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By Ragnarok.Hevans 2013-07-14 15:33:03
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Odin.Cindro said: »
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Odin.Cindro said: »

Um, we're talking about a 17 year old boy who was on a 711 run to get iced tea and skittles. Treatening? I think not... And that's not even mentioning Zimmerman's extensive criminal activity record and molestation accusations. I'm extremely saddened by this trial and it's result- and nervous that concealed carry has just become legal in Illinois. May the odds be ever in our favor.


cindro molested me once years ago. based on these allegations no one should believe or really even read anything he ever says.


It was 20 years of molestation of his niece. That's a little more than an accusation.



cindro molested me for 21 years.
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By Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby 2013-07-14 15:34:08
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Enuyasha said: »
Theres also the good chance that he may have back tracked and never attacked Zimmerman (Ever heard of people looking around the corner to see if the thing following them is still there? same concept.). Or, the odd chance that Zimmerman still followed Martin and began a physical confrontation. Or you know, Zimmerman fabricated a really good story that was utterly believable and easy to explain with little evidence.
So there's a good chance that Zimmerman at over 200 lbs chased down football player Trayvon, and we are just to assume he made up the whole story, despite no other scenario other than what he described making any sense? There are 3 options:
1-GZ had his gun drawn and TM stopped for fear of being shot. There is no evidence that the gun was out and visible, and TM made no mention of it on the phone.
2-GZ somehow got in the bushes and jumped TM and initiated the confrontation. Not very likely, but more likely than option 1.
3-TM jumped GZ from the bushes and initiated the confrontation. this BY FAR makes the most sense, and is also what GZ said happened.

If you have another option that you feel is plausible, please bring it up, but also remember that simply being possible does not make that proof that it actually happened that way. A disappointingly large number of people seem to have trouble with that concept.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2013-07-14 15:34:16
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Jetackuu said: »
that looks suspicious as hell regardless of race.

Having a hoodie on at night and walking around is suspicious? Or is it the combination of hoodie, night and whatever "being on something" means?

Regardless, Zimmy stereotyped as we all do and black parents everywhere add hoodies (if they didnt already) to the laundrylist of concessions black folk have to make in order to retreat from the culture of violence associated with the race.

I mean it's not like well dressed black professionals haven't been stereotyped before.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2013-07-14 15:35:03
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The media portraying Trayvon as a small child is as underhanded and disingenuous as Zimmerman putting on a ton of weight to play the "fat ***" card.
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By Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby 2013-07-14 15:35:37
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Enuyasha said: »
When they mention someone mentioning the skittles, you know they are relying on an idiotic standpoint which they are going to then revert to "he probably had a knife cause he was black".
Don't put words in my mouth. Mentioning the Skittles is an emotional tug where your intellect fails you. Like criminals don't eat candy or some stupid sh!t like that...
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By Jetackuu 2013-07-14 15:36:33
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Odin.Cindro said: »
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I thought self-defense was this: "a person may use reasonable force when it appears reasonably necessary to prevent an impending injury. A person using force in self-defense should use only so much force as is required to repel the attack. Nondeadly force can be used to repel either a nondeadly attack or a deadly attack. Deadly Force may be used to fend off an attacker who is using deadly force but may not be used to repel an attacker who is not using deadly force."

I don't think this was a situation where deadly force was necessary. That's my essential problem with the situation. Martin wasn't trying to kill Zimmerman. It was a disproportionate response and it left a child dead. Zimmerman should have paid for that, it was manslaughter at the very least.

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I have actually kept up with this case and its handling by the media since i first heard of it, (im from the uk btw), and in my oppinion while it seems zimmerman was defending himself he should not have been carrying a gun anyway and personally feel this is the main reason for this case = illigal to carry guns except single shot rifles in cases ect and there should be no situation where a citizen should be carrying a concealed / loaded weapon.
If you had real gun regulations not just the well a old granny should have a gun so she can protect herself from a 20 year old with a gun kind of argument as in reality nowhere in the world has as much of a problem as the usa when it comes to guns murders and white on black racism.

simply you need to disarm the masses and stop telling black folks that they are criminals and different from everyone else.

Being from the UK, you probably don't understand the sick gun obsession in America culture, as well as the deep-seated prejudice against African-Americans, particularly in areas like Florida that are below the Mason-Dixon line. I don't think we will EVER be divested of that, it's very pervasive. The thing is, black lives, especially male lives, are undervalued. It extends beyond this trial to stuff like inner-city violence and the war on drugs as well.

1. he was no child, he was a punk.
2. you weren't there, you don't know if he felt threatened enough to use self defense.

3. he was found innocent on manslaughter as well, as there wasn't enough evidence for that either.

4. whether something is sick or not is entirely subjective and honestly has no place here, I personally find people trying to make this into a gun debate sickening, but hey.

5. this case had nothing to do with race, until politicians/media made it so.

6. inner city violence would be resolved (mostly) if you eliminated the culture that lets it thrive.

7. the war on drugs is a bad joke.

Um, we're talking about a 17 year old boy street thug who was on a 711 run to get iced tea and skittles. suspiciously casing vehicles etc while on drugs who attacked another man Treatening? I think not... And that's not even mentioning Zimmerman's extensive criminal activity record and molestation accusations. I'm extremely saddened by this trial and it's result- and nervous that concealed carry has just become legal in Illinois. May the odds be ever in our favor.
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By Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby 2013-07-14 15:36:36
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How about explaining how a thug dresses instead of calling someone stupid and living in a fantasy then going on to something else Tenshi? I know you would like to dismiss all who question you but why you so mean? I'm deeply hurt.
lol You are still raw from that? Take your lumps and be a man and move on.
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By Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby 2013-07-14 15:38:49
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Odin.Cindro said: »
It was 20 years of molestation of his niece. That's a little more than an accusation.
Oh ok, so if you attach a time frame and a family member to it, it ceases to be an accusation? This is why people fail so hard at political discussions. You don't know what you are talking about. Besides, Michael Jackson never murdered anyone, so why bring up accusations of molestation?
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By Jetackuu 2013-07-14 15:39:16
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Jetackuu said: »
that looks suspicious as hell regardless of race.

Having a hoodie on at night and walking around is suspicious? Or is it the combination of hoodie, night and whatever "being on something" means?

Regardless, Zimmy stereotyped as we all do and black parents everywhere add hoodies (if they didnt already) to the laundrylist of concessions black folk have to make in order to retreat from the culture of violence associated with the race.

I mean it's not like well dressed black professionals haven't been stereotyped before.
yes, I'm white and I feel sketchy as hell when I walk around with it up, especially at night.

I don't draw the same conclusion that you do that he stereotyped anyone, but if it makes you feel better keep drawing that conclusion.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2013-07-14 15:39:23
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Fenrir.Mtmoogle said: »
How about explaining how a thug dresses instead of calling someone stupid and living in a fantasy then going on to something else Tenshi? I know you would like to dismiss all who question you but why you so mean? I'm deeply hurt.

The thug culture is associated with baggy pants, hoodies, wifebeaters, long shirts, rap/hip-hop music, excessive use of the nword in normal speak, being black/hispanic, aspiring to be a rapper/artist/dancer/singer and overall is perceived as the path to a bodybag, prison or violent crime.

Not that this has anything (or overlaps) to do with structural poverty... nope.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2013-07-14 15:40:33
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Jetackuu said: »

I don't draw the same conclusion that you do that he stereotyped anyone, but if it makes you feel better keep drawing that conclusion.

My conclusion is irrelevant as it doesn't matter if Zimmy was in jail or free, the problems that plague the black community will continue long after this farce ends.
 
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By Enuyasha 2013-07-14 15:43:30
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Theres also the good chance that he may have back tracked and never attacked Zimmerman (Ever heard of people looking around the corner to see if the thing following them is still there? same concept.). Or, the odd chance that Zimmerman still followed Martin and began a physical confrontation. Or you know, Zimmerman fabricated a really good story that was utterly believable and easy to explain with little evidence.
So there's a good chance that Zimmerman at over 200 lbs chased down football player Trayvon, and we are just to assume he made up the whole story, despite no other scenario other than what he described making any sense? There are 3 options:
1-GZ had his gun drawn and TM stopped for fear of being shot. There is no evidence that the gun was out and visible, and TM made no mention of it on the phone.
2-GZ somehow got in the bushes and jumped TM and initiated the confrontation. Not very likely, but more likely than option 1.
3-TM jumped GZ from the bushes and initiated the confrontation. this BY FAR makes the most sense, and is also what GZ said happened.

If you have another option that you feel is plausible, please bring it up, but also remember that simply being possible does not make that proof that it actually happened that way. A disappointingly large number of people seem to have trouble with that concept.
So if he was lying in wait...where on the route to his car would that necessarily put Martin? The ending point is quite far from where his car was parked. George Zimmerman initiated the confrontation when he got out of the vehicle and followed Martin. Anyone whom is followed by a stranger is going to react in the same way Martin did and specifically if they believe they are going to harm them or otherwise. Zimmerman could've very well stayed in his car and reported to the police a brief summary of the "suspicious individual" and their position. This is a common fact that people seem to ignore and only seem to want to blame the black aggressive football playing teenager.
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By Ragnarok.Hevans 2013-07-14 15:44:47
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Meld said: »
Many people take the time to stereotype blacks usually based on past experience. Let me give the crime stats of chicago and you'll probably understand why stereotyping is a consistent process amongst the populace.



all this proves is that asian people are sneaky and we should be terrified.
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By Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby 2013-07-14 15:48:06
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Anyone whom is followed by a stranger is going to react in the same way Martin did and specifically if they believe they are going to harm them or otherwise. Zimmerman could've very well stayed in his car and reported to the police a brief summary of the "suspicious individual" and their position. This is a common fact that people seem to ignore and only seem to want to blame the black aggressive football playing teenager.
So why didn't TM run or call 911?

And yes, he could have very well stayed in his car. In fact, he could have very well not wanted to be a cop or join the neighborhood watch. He could have left his door unlocked and wide open and just let people do whatever they wanted. The point is he did not break the law by not staying in his car, and there is nothing to suggest his getting out directly (pay attention to that word) leading to the confrontation. If TM DID jump him, he did it instead of staying in hiding where he would have been safe. TM jumping GZ, which is what all the evidence points to, was what DIRECTLY started the confrontation.
 
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By Fenrir.Mtmoogle 2013-07-14 15:51:37
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Oh I'm well aware of the culture and what other people think of it. I just wanted to know what Tenshi thought a thug was.
lol... raw
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2013-07-14 15:53:35
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Meld said: »
Snip.

Diagnosis: Black people are inherently dangerous and violent ergo Trayvon deserved his fate.

Nothing to do with structural racism, deprivation of opportunity, internalized violence or orchestrated plans in the last 50 years to decapitate any attempt to better one's own station if you're born brown.

Nope.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2013-07-14 15:58:35
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Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby said: »
Let me first say her husband should have been shot and she should have gotten away with it, BUT...

(And this is why you should never rely on HuffPo for getting the whole story)

She could not use the SYG defense because she left and returned on her own volition. Also, she was under mandatory sentencing guidelines. She was morally permitted to shoot him in my opinion, but not legally permitted. The court decided properly, and of course it was portrayed by utter morons as a racist/sexist case.

Personally I think if she had killed him she would have walked.

The tragedy in this was mandatory sentencing. The judge said so too.
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