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 Quetzalcoatl.Stik
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By Quetzalcoatl.Stik 2013-07-14 02:24:47
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WHO CARES ITS OVER PAY BACK FOR O.J ENOUGH SAID
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By Bahamut.Rulerofdarkness 2013-07-14 02:28:15
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Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
All the hype began over this because originally before any facts came out it appeared that the police were sweeping under the rug the shooting death of a black teenager by a white man because he looked suspicious walking in a hoodie. The media latched on to it, the race baiters, the true racial prostitutes like Al Sharpton got involved before anyone knew a damn thing about this case. Once the real facts slowly began to emerge, the media did their best to obscure them; altering audio tapes and photos of the night. Once it turned out that Zimmerman wasn't even a white man they even tried to obscure that, using terms like Self-proclaimed Hispanic and White Hispanic. For whatever reason the media wanted to stoke racial tensions.

By now any rational individual that watched the real facts of this case, or tuned into the trial at all, understands that these charges should never have been brought. Every witness corroborated Zimmerman's version of events as did all of the evidence. There are just a whole lot of people, that made a whole lot of loud horrible noise who now cannot admit that they were wrong. The whole thing sucks for everyone involved.

But honestly, who calls 911 before they are about to go shoot someone?

Dem ratings man. Dem ratings.

No telling how much money all the news channels, papers, etc. made off this.
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By Fenrir.Mtmoogle 2013-07-14 02:44:50
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I wouldn't go straight home if a man was following me. Trayvon was a young confident/foolish teenager who thought he can take care of the threat himself. Unfortunately he was succeeding until Mr. Zimmerman pulled out his gun. Really should have just stayed in his car -.-
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By Lakshmi.Watusa 2013-07-14 02:54:14
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Quetzalcoatl.Stik said: »
WHO CARES ITS OVER PAY BACK FOR O.J ENOUGH SAID

I was hoping a bunch of white and Mexican people would celebrate Zimmerman's acquittal like when OJ was found not guilty.
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By Carbuncle.Lynxblade 2013-07-14 02:59:26
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Sylph.Chrisstreb said: »
they ruined a perfectly good game of baseball.


This joke sucks because John madden didn't announce baseball he announced football!!
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By Fenrir.Terminus 2013-07-14 03:01:51
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Lakshmi.Glaciont said: »
I thought self-defense was this: "a person may use reasonable force when it appears reasonably necessary to prevent an impending injury. A person using force in self-defense should use only so much force as is required to repel the attack. Nondeadly force can be used to repel either a nondeadly attack or a deadly attack. Deadly Force may be used to fend off an attacker who is using deadly force but may not be used to repel an attacker who is not using deadly force."

That's got more to do with escalation of force than it does general self defense. It's relevant, for sure, and could have saved a lot of trouble and a kid's life. But as so many people are quick to point out, this guy isn't a professional. And that means not only is he untrained and unqualified to try to pursue or apprehend suspected criminals, but also that he's untrained and unqualified to detect all kinds of nuance during a situation like that, as well as not trained in all kinds of various other countermeasures. (Taken to the extreme, had he actually been trained, he would know that a lot of what he did was wrong, and known that he ought to have just walked away.)

But that's part of what drives these "stand your ground" laws - they're to protect lay people who are only trying to protect themselves and don't have the benefit of countless of hours of training. Any anyway, even with a great deal of training, it's easy to get it wrong.
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By Bahamut.Fistandantilus 2013-07-14 03:03:20
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Fenrir.Mtmoogle said: »
I wouldn't go straight home if a man was following me. Trayvon was a young confident/foolish teenager who thought he can take care of the threat himself. Unfortunately he was succeeding until Mr. Zimmerman pulled out his gun. Really should have just stayed in his car -.-

For that matter why should he have headed home period? If someone was following him does he not have the right to defend himself if he feels threatened?
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By Fenrir.Mtmoogle 2013-07-14 03:09:37
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Fenrir.Mtmoogle said: »
I wouldn't go straight home if a man was following me. Trayvon was a young confident/foolish teenager who thought he can take care of the threat himself. Unfortunately he was succeeding until Mr. Zimmerman pulled out his gun. Really should have just stayed in his car -.-

For that matter why should he have headed home period? If someone was following him does he not have the right to defend himself if he feels threatened?
He does but the Pro-Zimmerman folks kept bringing up "Why didn't Trayvon go home?" I believe Trayvon was just defending himself and Zimmerman was getting his arse kicked.
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2013-07-14 03:17:46
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It's more the issue that Martin apparently backtracked just so he could run into Zimmerman and suckerpunch him. It's true that you'd probably feel unsafe being followed, but escaping and then going back so you can get into a fight with him because of your ego doesn't reflect particularly well on you either.

Ultimately the most important question of the trial was probably "who initiated physical conflict?" There is no hard proof for either side but we do know that Zimmerman is the only one with any injuries (other than the single bullet wound on Martin), the only witness available saw Martin on top of Zimmerman, and analysis of phone calls/DNA/etc basically gave no important information.

So, Martin had no injuries other than that one bullet wound. What was he defending himself from?
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By Fenrir.Mtmoogle 2013-07-14 03:33:43
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Can't really call it a "suckerpunch" if Trayvon announces "Well you have a problem now." Going back to confront the man who is following you in the conditions of that night has nothing to do with an ego and you can't truly understand want was going on in Trayvon's mind. You don't always have to run away. If this man was stalking you at this time, who's to say he won't stalk you the next night and finally catch you. He didn't know Zimmerman's intentions. And just because Trayvon didn't have injuries mean he wasn't defending himself?? He was just winning the fight.
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2013-07-14 03:35:33
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I personally would rather take the story that has some evidence over the one that has none.
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2013-07-14 03:38:40
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There won't be a successful civil trial. Part of Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law makes you immune to criminal & civil prosecution if it's determined you committed justified homicide (legal term for killing in self defense) while being reasonably afraid for your life. Seeing as GZ just got a Not Guilty verdict on a self defense argument, it's pretty much guaranteed that he'll be getting SYG protection.

That is why the defense lawyers pushed to bypass the SYG hearing and going straight for a self defense trial.

This is and always was textbook self defense. The prosecution never had any evidence that GZ was the aggressor (legal definition not political one) of the fight. In the USA your innocent until prove guilty meaning GZ walking into that court room an innocent man and it was the prosecutions job to convince the jury otherwise "beyond a reasonable doubt". It's that reasonable doubt part that sunk the prosecutions case.

The liberal media really f*cked this one up by trying it's damnedest to taint the jury pool.
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By Fenrir.Mtmoogle 2013-07-14 03:42:38
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Leviathan.Kincard said: »
I personally would rather take the story that has some evidence over the one that has none.
I personally would listen to both sides with open ears and not dismiss what opposing views may see.
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By Bahamut.Fistandantilus 2013-07-14 03:52:01
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Fenrir.Mtmoogle said: »
Can't really call it a "suckerpunch" if Trayvon announces "Well you have a problem now." Going back to confront the man who is following you in the conditions of that night has nothing to do with an ego and you can't truly understand want was going on in Trayvon's mind. You don't always have to run away. If this man was stalking you at this time, who's to say he won't stalk you the next night and finally catch you. He didn't know Zimmerman's intentions. And just because Trayvon didn't have injuries mean he wasn't defending himself?? He was just winning the fight.

That's the part of these stand your ground laws that I find ridiculous. Zimmerman has the right to fire, and mortally wound a minor because he felt threatened. By that logic Martin has just as much cause to confront a stalker.

If Martin had been 18, and had a legal firearm on him would he have been cleared of wrong doing if he fired, and killed Zimmerman? The fact is without any concrete proof states that have stand your ground laws leave homicides wide open to interpretation. Unless there is hard evidence it ends up being his word against yours. Or in this case George Zimmerman's word only, because the other party died before getting the opportunity to tell his side of the altercation.
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2013-07-14 04:01:06
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Fenrir.Mtmoogle said: »
I personally would listen to both sides with open ears and not dismiss what opposing views may see.

You're either
1. Saying Zimmerman initiated conflict, of which there is no evidence
2. Saying that Martin was justified in walking back and breaking a guy's nose because he felt threatened, and calling that self defense
Which "fair and open" viewpoint is the one you hold?
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By Jetackuu 2013-07-14 07:34:44
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Apples, and oranges much?

You're going to need to explain why you think placing the blame on someone for placing themselves in a potentially dangerous situation is different than another situation where people are placing blame on someone for putting themselves in a potentially dangerous situation.

The idiocy of saying a woman deserves to be raped for wearing slutty outfits would be a dangerous situation she put herself in.

Equating that to Zimmerman disregarding a directive from a law enforcement officer which ultimately resulted in the death of a minor is not the same logic. By disregarding that directive he placed another persons life in danger needlessly.

Also this isn't strictly a gun issue imo. It is a faulty, and poorly thought out piece of legislature. If Zimmerman had not had a firearm he still could have killed the kid by other means.

since when are dispatchers in cities leos?
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By Leviathan.Syagin 2013-07-14 07:39:19
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Certainly no surprize here... didn't even watch the trial and knew this was the result.
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By Squish 2013-07-14 08:43:06
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http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/03/26/10872124-trayvon-martin-was-suspended-three-times-from-school?lite

Trayvon was suspended from school 3 times.

Once for having stolen property and a "burglary tool".

Once for have drug paraphernalia.

Once for truancy.

It is sad what happened and it is unfortunate.

But the way the media canonized Trayvon and only showed pictures of him as a 12 year old just shows how they used this situation as a way to get "clicks on articles" to sell advertising space...sickening.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2013-07-14 08:48:36
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Bahamut.Fistandantilus said: »
Fenrir.Mtmoogle said: »
I wouldn't go straight home if a man was following me. Trayvon was a young confident/foolish teenager who thought he can take care of the threat himself. Unfortunately he was succeeding until Mr. Zimmerman pulled out his gun. Really should have just stayed in his car -.-

For that matter why should he have headed home period? If someone was following him does he not have the right to defend himself if he feels threatened?

I simply wonder why he didn't call the cops, too.
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By Asura.Fondue 2013-07-14 08:49:49
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RIP, #nojusticefortroyvan
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By Siren.Piccollo 2013-07-14 08:53:39
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I have actually kept up with this case and its handling by the media since i first heard of it, (im from the uk btw), and in my oppinion while it seems zimmerman was defending himself he should not have been carrying a gun anyway and personally feel this is the main reason for this case = illigal to carry guns except single shot rifles in cases ect and there should be no situation where a citizen should be carrying a concealed / loaded weapon.
If you had real gun regulations not just the well a old granny should have a gun so she can protect herself from a 20 year old with a gun kind of argument as in reality nowhere in the world has as much of a problem as the usa when it comes to guns murders and white on black racism.

simply you need to disarm the masses and stop telling black folks that they are criminals and different from everyone else.
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By Sylph.Chrisstreb 2013-07-14 08:56:43
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Siren.Piccollo said: »
I have actually kept up with this case and its handling by the media since i first heard of it, (im from the uk btw), and in my oppinion while it seems zimmerman was defending himself he should not have been carrying a gun anyway and personally feel this is the main reason for this case = illigal to carry guns except single shot rifles in cases ect and there should be no situation where a citizen should be carrying a concealed / loaded weapon if you had real gun regulations not just the well a old granny should have a gun so she can protect herself from a 20 year old with a gun kind of argument as in reality nowhere in the world has as much of a problem as the usa when it comes to guns murders and white on black racism.

simply you need to disarm the masses.

Sadly though, in America, we have the 2nd Amendment, which grants people the right to bear arms, though of course that that time, was more simply to fight the British and protect their rights to freedom. These days, though, people think 'just because the Constitution says it, I can do it' pretty much, so some people are a bit gun-ecentric to say the least
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By Asura.Fondue 2013-07-14 08:59:34
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Siren.Piccollo said: »
I have actually kept up with this case and its handling by the media since i first heard of it, (im from the uk btw), and in my oppinion while it seems zimmerman was defending himself he should not have been carrying a gun anyway and personally feel this is the main reason for this case = illigal to carry guns except single shot rifles in cases ect and there should be no situation where a citizen should be carrying a concealed / loaded weapon.
If you had real gun regulations not just the well a old granny should have a gun so she can protect herself from a 20 year old with a gun kind of argument as in reality nowhere in the world has as much of a problem as the usa when it comes to guns murders and white on black racism.

simply you need to disarm the masses and stop telling black folks that they are criminals and different from everyone else.

do all light skinned people look the same to you?
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By Siren.Piccollo 2013-07-14 09:03:05
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Asura.Fondue said: »
Siren.Piccollo said: »
I have actually kept up with this case and its handling by the media since i first heard of it, (im from the uk btw), and in my oppinion while it seems zimmerman was defending himself he should not have been carrying a gun anyway and personally feel this is the main reason for this case = illigal to carry guns except single shot rifles in cases ect and there should be no situation where a citizen should be carrying a concealed / loaded weapon.
If you had real gun regulations not just the well a old granny should have a gun so she can protect herself from a 20 year old with a gun kind of argument as in reality nowhere in the world has as much of a problem as the usa when it comes to guns murders and white on black racism.

simply you need to disarm the masses and stop telling black folks that they are criminals and different from everyone else.

do all light skinned people look the same to you?

im white as you can see from my pic im the one on the right^^

and no ppl can sometimes look similar but no race looks the same as others from their race its a misconception brought about by racists to help them justify racism.

(just wanna add in the case in question imo nobody was faultless but nobody should have died either)
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By Sylph.Chrisstreb 2013-07-14 09:13:09
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I still think tho that the best motto that came out of this was:

"If Zimmerman was hit, you must acquit"
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2013-07-14 09:19:40
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Siren.Piccollo said: »
I have actually kept up with this case and its handling by the media since i first heard of it, (im from the uk btw), and in my oppinion while it seems zimmerman was defending himself he should not have been carrying a gun anyway and personally feel this is the main reason for this case = illigal to carry guns except single shot rifles in cases ect and there should be no situation where a citizen should be carrying a concealed / loaded weapon.
If you had real gun regulations not just the well a old granny should have a gun so she can protect herself from a 20 year old with a gun kind of argument as in reality nowhere in the world has as much of a problem as the usa when it comes to guns murders and white on black racism.

simply you need to disarm the masses and stop telling black folks that they are criminals and different from everyone else.

In the USA there is this thing called due process. Unfortunately we have to enforce laws as their written using established precedents. I know it sucks that we can't just toss people in jail for what we feel should be a law.
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By Sylph.Chrisstreb 2013-07-14 09:21:28
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Good luck disarming the masses though too. Probably have one heck of a revolt with the Southern US again (and any redneck/hillbilly for that matter)
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2013-07-14 09:35:29
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I like how everyone who believes they should be allowed to defend themselves against superior forces with the use of technology to even the playing field is suddenly a redneck.

Like seriously, are you guys that immature?
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By Sylph.Chrisstreb 2013-07-14 09:36:30
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Okay fine, gun-nut, is that a better term?
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By Asura.Fondue 2013-07-14 09:39:17
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Sylph.Chrisstreb said: »
Okay fine, gun-nut, is that a better term?
you cant be this stupid, stop trolling
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